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Why cant i worship an Evil Deity?
lordeeto
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So DnD is about choice, 4e did change it a little and push towards good/neutral but still majority of campaigns I played we were evil.... I want that feel!
These are just some of them:
Bane
Asmodeus
Cyric
Shar
Talos
Tempus
Lolth
Where is their weapon of choice? what about cause wounds instead of heals? their control undead instead of turn? where is the freedom that DnD once had? I understand this is a shadow of DnD and it would be next to impossible to add every feature that we saw in the table top game, but I think it would have been nice to see some more variety.
Am I the only one?
These are just some of them:
Bane
Asmodeus
Cyric
Shar
Talos
Tempus
Lolth
Where is their weapon of choice? what about cause wounds instead of heals? their control undead instead of turn? where is the freedom that DnD once had? I understand this is a shadow of DnD and it would be next to impossible to add every feature that we saw in the table top game, but I think it would have been nice to see some more variety.
Am I the only one?
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I enjoyed the game and will keep playing it, i just wish I wasn't so restricted... I would like to see more spell choices (and a quick way to switch the spells assigned to the q,e,r buttons.. so maybe pre-set bindings we can change with ctr+1-5 etc so depending if we are healing, aoe or single target dps we can change spells on the fly) or allow up so when we Ctr-I in a rest zone we can change the pre-sets as though the deity is giving us our spells for the day....
Once again I have no interest in playing an evil charactor, but I do look forward to cleansing the world of evil PCs in pvp.
We should be able to worship Evil Gods coming from a general D&D standpoint but at the end of the day there is a general storyline that it would probably conflict with.
Example - if you're lawful evil and worshiping Asmodeus on your wizard and are sent into a quest to kill the minions of Asmodeus who have invaded a nearby town... it wouldn't make sense even if you were hiding your true intentions or whatever because you're directly going against your God and back story of your character... you'd have to jump through a ton of hoops to make those types of quests make sense and they just chose not to have that option.
I mean at the end of the day they're making the choices to have the game work in a certain way and so far it's pretty damn close to the 4.0 way of things besides not being able to be evil or anything (even though you could technically jump through hoops and pretend lol)
PS: oh yeah and there's a tattoo you can get for Cyric on your face at character creation which I was using on my lvl 30 Rogue... So technically he's an option =P
I agree with razorjack156, what I read on D&D 4E made me feel as though a lot of the creativity and freedom of D&D was already being sucked away. Player characters starting out as a hero (instead of a no name) and having a sealed fate, so to speak. You are told under what conditions you can and cannot cast certain spells. (In combat, out of combat etc.) It is one reason I decided not to make the transition from AD&D to 4E. I at least dabbled enough in 3E and 3.5E to make some campaigns for a few friends who played it exclusively. I read through the 4E players handbook on the ride home after buying it (30 minute trip) closed it up, put it on a shelf, and pretty much forgot about it.
(I have one too many players who are rule gurus and would make my life difficult if I tried to stray from the rules and used them as guidelines instead of hard crusted rules. That is no more enjoyable for me as a DM than it is for a group of players when a DM tries to kill off the party because s/he is bored of the current campaign.)
It doesn't even have a D&D background; instead it has a D&D4 background.
People who use these forums, and enjoy playing NO, will have to get used to constant disappointment from people who expected something closer to D&D.
A Prootwaddle is one of the weirder player-character races in "The Fantasy Trip", Steve Jackson's first published role-playing game.
If people have idea's on what they would want to do, feel free to post here! Possible assassinations and then murder of witness's, infiltration of government facilities to rescue an asset, Disruption of exploration forces, covering the tracks of one of the factions or evil deity cults, I have plenty of idea's.... even if the dev's wont make the quest lines I will do my best. Weave a story maybe between two rival evil factions and throw in a twist of a hero party tracking you along the way.. Why is it so far away!!!
Evil Deities would be great to have and someone earlier in the thread mentioned that it would conflict if you sent someone who primarily worships one evil deity to fight their minions when it seems to be those gods more often than not encourage their followers to fight each other.
At the end of the day, D&D has always been about choice. NWN was always about choice! YOU COULD BE EVIL in NWN there was many options at certain points.
Its like - Lets take everything that makes a D&D game appealing...throw it out the window, along with choice and try to compete on a technical level with other games. (think Elder Scrolls online)
I'd like to see deities have more of a role in the game too. As it stands, it feels like it doesn't matter what god your character follows or their alignment. Every one prays at the same place with the same benefits and wears the same holy symbols, armor, etc.
In the context of this D&D4 MMO the game is the DM.
A Prootwaddle is one of the weirder player-character races in "The Fantasy Trip", Steve Jackson's first published role-playing game.
That's not a 4E thing, by the way. I don't know any DMs who allow the worship of evil deities outside special campaigns or in special circumstances. From the AD&D 2nd Edition Player's Handbook:
"Third, some people choose to play evil alignments. Although there is no specific prohibition against this, there are several reasons why it is not a good idea. First, the AD&D game is a game of heroic fantasy. What is heroic about being a villain? if an evilly aligned group plays its alignment correctly, it is as much a battle for the characters to work together as it is to take on the outside world. Neutral evil individuals would be paranoid (with some justification) that the others would betray them for profit or self-aggrandizement. Chaotic evil characters would try to get someone else to take all the risks so that they could become (or remain) strong and take over. Although lawful evil characters might have some code of conduct that governed their party, each member would look for ways to twist the rules to his own favor. A group of players who play a harmonious group of evil characters simply are not playing their alignments correctly. By its nature, evil alignments call fro disharmony and squabbling, which destroys the fun."
It should also be noted that 4E did, in fact, include fairly expansive rules for playing evil campaigns, with the Heroes of Shadow supplement (which reintroduced the Blackguard class, the Necromancer and Nethermancer Mage schools, and so on) and the Menzoberranzan supplement, which focused entirely on drow society.
That said, I do think evil gods should be there, as not all people who worship them need be evil. And since alignment is a nonissue anyway (FINALLY), it would simply mean that they came from a bad area (perhaps a citizen of Thay or Netheril) or even that they are somehow attached to that patron, despite their protests and attempts to get away. I don't necessarily believe that those need to be available for launch, especially since I"m unsure what exactly your choice of deity actually does mechanically. But I'd like to see them eventually.
But, with the Thayans, the Netherese, the orcs, the demons rising from the Chasm, the Ashmadai and maybe even the Dead Rats, there's going to be plenty of evil to fight, and little, if any, capital-G Good things to take on. (Though, I must say, getting involved in the dustup between the Sons of Alagondar and the Harpers would be fun.)
Did people not see this post? It makes this thread obsolete. It looks like we will get to worship evil dieties, so you can be a follower of Asmodeus going around murdering the Ashmodi. Or a follower of Loth killing drow. Both those groups are backstab happy though so it's probably not too out of the ordinary.
Don't forget, we are still early beta, and I doubt the Cryptic team is just sitting around.
Ammon Jerro was one of the best characters I have seen in a video game. From his voice acting, to his determination, to his faults and weaknesses. He was in NwN2 so obviously 2nd ED never heard of him. He is a great example of how true evil character works. I really felt NwN2 in general did an awesome job at debunking the myths of character alignments. In 2nd ED a lawful evil character could literally lay siege to an entire town and as long as he spared the women and children he was lawful evil. A lawful good character could not steal an apple from said town. As time has gone on DnD has improved and changed alignment.
Pains me alot cos fr is in my bone and i would properly still game if for that reason only what happent to the constand battle of the faith
That was sutch a big part of the fr ... i can follow kelemvor and not cyric!!! Kelemvor the cowerd at midnights trial ups sorry hehe but
good only takes away what d and d rly is you make your own path
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It would be cool if you had that kind of choice in Neverwinter, but I imagine it would be hard to come up with story for every single one of the deities in the handbook.
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RAM - 8 GB 1300 ish ddr3
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The one is my god
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Did people not see this post? It makes this thread obsolete. It looks like we will get to worship evil dieties, so you can be a follower of Asmodeus going around murdering the Ashmodi. Or a follower of Loth killing drow. Both those groups are backstab happy though so it's probably not too out of the ordinary.
Don't forget, we are still early beta, and I doubt the Cryptic team is just sitting around.