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garrettrogue
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I know there hasn't been very much to use as an example but I noticed in some of the videos where the Developers are playing the Trickster Rogue they get very low health in fights which seem like there are in some kind of starting zone. Are we going to have to rely heavily on healing potions in order to go about the game Solo? I mean you can only dodge roll so often...
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Having said that, if you're not one to dodge often, then maybe the rogue isn't for you and something with more armor/damage mitigation would be more fitting to your playstyle.
What I meant is there is probably a cooldown on the dodge roll ability.
The trickster rogue also has that target-dummy after-image she can leave behind which apparently draws aggro or at least presents another target. Throw in the ability to teleport behind foes for a backstab even when you're alone and I have high hopes for the solo-ability of the rogue.
In the Control Wizard video, until the player went around purposefully aggro'ing large numbers of foes (to show off the impressive Daily PBAOE attack) he did quite well on his own... and I didn't see a lot of what I would call 'control' - seemed to be all attacks, but maybe the 'controls' are more like the knockback I saw, or the snare/slow effect of the Ray Of Frost and the control wizard doesn't actually "lock down" foes. Granted, the wizard generally survives by dishing enough damage before foes even get TO her, the rogue survives on the same general principle (just restricted to being in melee range, unless you go archer I suppose).
If a rogue CANNOT solo (or requires expensive potions ALL the time to do so) I'll be quite disappointed as (conceptually) I have a hard time rationalizing why a sneaky thief would choose to tag along with a guy in clanking armor and a giant sword or some librarian or a ~priest~... thieves should be THIEVES and to my sensibilities, a 'real' thief would most likely group with other thieves so they can all sneak into places.
The rogue class are always rather difficult classes to master in soloing content in alot of games i have played. I just hope the class doesnt struggle when facing solo leveling situations with large monster groups and mini boss fights.
But since the rogue can always be hit anyway and doesn't have a self heal, bringing potions is advised or group up with a cleric.
I think rogue has that covered.
But every class can solo normal combat, rogue might take a bit more work than a tank and spank great weapon fighter
*looks at tights*
Bard got it covered too!
Can you perma-gimp your Rogue so that you can't progress anymore at some point?
I think died 3-4 times mainly from being distracted. between the target dummy and stealth and my man at arms hireling i can keep crud off me ok. I do have to use pots but i have had to buy any i looted more then enough. Only think that gave me issues was the last boss before i hit 20 and i think i may have been underleveld because the mobs before him were dropping level 21 gear and i was 19. in live i may take some foundry missions or some more event things to keep myself a head of the curve a bit more.
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I just want you to know that I love you. This right here is exactly how a rogue should work.
In Baldurs Gate, I love to sneak around and assess a situation before enemies know I am near
In Skyrim, I love to backstab and giggle at burst damage numbers.
In Guild Wars 2, I love to roll and juke to engage/disengage combat.
In DDO, I love to disable traps and advise a group where to go.
In WoW, I love to fight other players in a "balanced" pvp setting
If an enemy does manage to successfully hit me in any of the games I play, I would prefer for it to hurt like HELL. I want to run for my life in attempts to survive the conflict. When they know I am there, I have failed my job as a sneak. I like the idea of rogues being able to solo content, but I dont want it to be a potion stock and spam, I dont want to "recuperate" to magically heal myself.
I want tactical decision making and finesse to be my reason I win fights.
Isnt that the whole point of the class?
I remember in NWN you could have low HP builds and still be unkillable with your insane AC and atking prowess. Especially Bard/RDD/PM was Juggernaut with wings
You can double-tap any of the movement keys to dodge as well. Depends on what you're most comfortable with.
When soloing, the key is to rely on Stealth and your Bait and Switch.
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The other thing is it would be better if for a crit rogue if life steal worked better, It works great until you hit around 30 but because it scales really poorly even when stacked. The problem is it heals for just about twice at level 30+ as it does at level 10 but mobs do 10 times the damage to you.
There are some really good posts in here that illustrate how to be survivable as a Trickster Rogue. Your power selection can go a long way to make a build deadly and fast but dangerous or slower but safer. We do expect pretty much all class builds to need healing potions as they play but what style you chose can change that up some.
We are also keeping a close eye on tons of data from beta and alpha including healing potions used/gained and number of deaths so we can make sure all of the classes are more or less in line with one another. We're making adjustments as we turn up places where something is off to make sure everything is nice and smooth for launch.
-Zeke