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byph
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Have we seen how this is implemented? Is it in the game? To me Turn Undead is one of the iconic powers of a cleric and I'd be sorely disappointed if it was missing.
NWN - I'm replaying this game while I wait for my beta invite *cough* and I like how it was implemented. It's really effective crowd control when facing large numbers of undead and it's effective at any level.
DDO - Granted I haven't played since its first year, but at the time Turn Undead was only effective in the first few levels (at least if your goal was to bamf them). After that, it was a stun at best or worse I remember being admonished by group members for "wasting" a Turn Undead on turning undead. Huh?! There's something wrong with your game design if it causes that kind of behavior, and is one of my few criticisms of that game.
Overall, Turn Undead should achieve several things
1. Make me struggle with how much charisma to take
2. Make me feel like my character wields divine power
3. Make my group members look at my character as something besides a healbot
Whay say, ye?
NWN - I'm replaying this game while I wait for my beta invite *cough* and I like how it was implemented. It's really effective crowd control when facing large numbers of undead and it's effective at any level.
DDO - Granted I haven't played since its first year, but at the time Turn Undead was only effective in the first few levels (at least if your goal was to bamf them). After that, it was a stun at best or worse I remember being admonished by group members for "wasting" a Turn Undead on turning undead. Huh?! There's something wrong with your game design if it causes that kind of behavior, and is one of my few criticisms of that game.
Overall, Turn Undead should achieve several things
1. Make me struggle with how much charisma to take
2. Make me feel like my character wields divine power
3. Make my group members look at my character as something besides a healbot
Whay say, ye?
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You can't insta kill undeads anymore though (except by damage).
Smite Undead works as follows:
As gillrmn mentioned, there are (optional) prestige paths (called paragon paths and epic destinies) as well as feats later on that do allow you to use that divinity power on the creatures like extra-planar demonic/devilish, special race targets.
But, we have not seen the cleric in action in this MMO version of the game, let alone know if the "smite undead" is uded in-game or not.
Think about it. Those lyrics could describe any random D&D cleric.
Oh, we're going with class abilities and theme songs now? In that case I summon the Looney Tunes Wizard.
*headbangs*
(Metal) Rock on!
I think the undeads still have chance to cower (at least my DM allows that) but insta death part has been removed. Many other insta death spells have been removed too. This is because they caused unpredictability and rewarded min-maxers. So I think it is a good compromise.
edit: but yes cower is limited - 3 saves I think.
~Zebular
I don't remember any insta-kill powers or spells from PC when playing 4e. I think they were all changed to high damage spells. Even monster insta-death spells were less and allowed three saves or so before being effective.
That is one of the reasons why Sir Minimus Maximus the III and half is not very happy with new edition.
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Insta-kill spells are difficult to deal with even for a quick-witted DM, and are very hard to incorporate into a multiplayer game without underpowering other classes.
However, Turn Undead certainly is one of the iconic powers of a Cleric.
I suppose I'm off to the 4E books to read more before talking about it.
These forums need work, badly.
Yes that was exactly the reason. I was very angry initially because I used to only play PM wizard apart from clerics.
Turn undead is still there, it makes dead run away from you scared and damages them like AoE spell. It doesn't return them to their realm though.
Also it can be replaced by other turns like turn devil, turn demon, etc. I am not sure if there is turn construct too but I suspect I saw that somewhere...
EDIT: Even when I say run away, they don't actually run away.
Make it a very small chance but I'd like that too.
You go threw all the effort rolling a character putting love into it just to watch everybody else instantly kill every encounter wile you stand there looking stupid.
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It's not simply turn undead but a Channel Divinity power that encompasses clerics, paladins and anybody using divine power. Yes, one of the once per encounter options you get is Turn Undead for Paladins.
Oh oky I see.
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I'm normally not a fan of random off topic comments. But this got a chuckle. Nice job. And it was even sort of on topic. Since that's what tends to happen to baddies when clerics do their thing.
Turn Undead stinks in DDO, and it's unfortunate. I would like to see something similar to DDO's "Healing Burst" which also AOE damages undead. The problem in DDO is that it doesn't do the crazy burst damage I think it should.
Clerics should be the bane of the Undead- please make them with viable and powerful abilities and spells to fight/destroy Undeads.
Channel Divinity, and especially turn undead, are not useless at all in 4e, at least not in the tabletop game. It saved my party's bacon several times.
First of all, both the hit chance and the damage scale with the level of the cleric. Secondly, it does a push (3 + Cha modifier, afaik). What this means on the table is that it's a minion killer (not sure if the concept of one-shot minions translated from the 4e tabletop game to NWO, but VERY useful on the table) and you can also use to break grabs (pushing grabbing undead away from the things they've grabbed) and you can use it to push undead off cliffs, into rivers, into lava, or whatever else is handy. You can use it to push undead towards your tank. It targets willpower, which means it's great against zombies, skeletons, wights, ghosts, and other less 'wise' undead, but probably less useful against elder vampires and liches (as expected). It's one of the most bloody useful powers in the cleric arsenal!
"MMORPG: Why did you all personally choose the 4th edition rule-set? There are a lot of D&D folks who dislike 4th Edition.
Andy Velasquez: Well Neverwinter is not exclusively a D&D 4th edition rules game and we draw inspiration from all of the different versions of D&D. For example we have things like Magic Missile as an ability for Control Wizards which is incredibly evocative of the D&D experience regardless of which edition you are a fan of. Our use of At Will, Encounter and Daily powers obviously draw directly from D&D 4th edition but we did that because we liked how it fit onto what we were trying to do with combat, not because we are beholden to a specific edition. For example Healing Surges, another mechanic from 4E, didn’t really work for the game we were making and so we did not implement it into our game."
I think until they tell us exactly how things work or we get to have our hands on the game itself, we're left to guessing. Probably a safe bet to ask "what way would make the most sense in action paced combat, yet still stay true to D&D?" and roll with that concept. I mean, it's an iconic thing divine classes have had, you know they've been looking carefully at it at the very least.