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valistarius
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Hello everybody.
Being a veteran role-player with many years of experience, the thing I have valued most in the NWN games - together with the toolsets - has been the possibility to create true and unfettered role-play, which has been completely player-driven; the unique ability to emerge yourself into a gameworld and subsequently affect the environment through role-play and player actions.
I love dungeon crawling as much as any DnD fan, but I am also very passioned about role-playing. With this new game steering more in the MMO direction, I am wondering whether there will still be room for us veterans who enjoy hanging around the campfire or local inn? Will it still be possible to create a red wizard faction or playing as a Zhentarim and actually have it mean something in the gameworld? Or will everything be pre-scripted content which the players have no way of influencing?
I wonder whether this new Neverwinter will cater to these kind of players, and equally important, are there still some of you "true role-players" out there who will use this game as a platform to create and experience some genuine and proper role-play?
All the best,
~ Valistarius ~
Being a veteran role-player with many years of experience, the thing I have valued most in the NWN games - together with the toolsets - has been the possibility to create true and unfettered role-play, which has been completely player-driven; the unique ability to emerge yourself into a gameworld and subsequently affect the environment through role-play and player actions.
I love dungeon crawling as much as any DnD fan, but I am also very passioned about role-playing. With this new game steering more in the MMO direction, I am wondering whether there will still be room for us veterans who enjoy hanging around the campfire or local inn? Will it still be possible to create a red wizard faction or playing as a Zhentarim and actually have it mean something in the gameworld? Or will everything be pre-scripted content which the players have no way of influencing?
I wonder whether this new Neverwinter will cater to these kind of players, and equally important, are there still some of you "true role-players" out there who will use this game as a platform to create and experience some genuine and proper role-play?
All the best,
~ Valistarius ~
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We may indeed have to resort to desperate messures.
On that note, I wonder how big custom mods can be. I wonder if it would be possible to create a world within the world.
If so, one could theoretically create and entire gameworld just for role-play and then players could access it through the regular game.
And with the toolset allegedly being fast to work with, opposed to the one in NWN 2, perhaps putting together an entire PW could be possible for a single individual. Or if there will be system which allows other players with access to upload and expand on already existing custom content, I could suddenly see how this would be innovative.
Hopefully they will implement an OOC channel, which can be turned off by the player if he doesn't want to get his dialogue box cluttered with OOC chat.
So, are there other people out there who has an interest in using this game to role-play?
Unfortunately they won't be having multiple servers so my views go down the drain...
But I hope they add massive support for roelplaying because it is an iconic and more or less unique aspect to D&D compared to other games.
The only way to do so would be to separate the roleplayers from the OOC players completely in some sort of game mode. So goodness knows if Cryptic would want to spent that kind of time supporting the feature but to me it's not enough to have 'roleplaying chat' and 'ooc chat.'
To truly be immersed in a roleplaying environment we can't even see those who do not want to participate. Random people running around me, interacting physically with me but not talking to me just throws me off. Ignoring the text doesn't make them not exist.
Not necessarily.
One piece of UGC content I have in mind is The Black Dragon Tavern; folks may remember it from Neverwinter Nights, it's basically a atmospheric hangout and in talking to people that have had hands on with Neverwinter and the Foundry will be easily doable, groups can enter get their RP on whenever they wish and if Cryptic allows a social class of UGC with a expanded group cap and a join in progress request so much the better.
This is how the Join in progress can work: Say a group of five people has entered the BDT, the leader of said group acts as the Bartender, and can allow or disallow Join request as the see fit that way the group can have a private RP session or a social hangout of up to say twenty people. I think it is a very doable solution.
A Separate Game Mode would be a possibility if Cryptic so chose but it would involve a lot of work as well as a decent amount of thought put into preventing abuse but it would be my ideal solution to the problem.
Basically a player wants to roleplay so they go into the game options and under gameplay select 'Switch to Roleplaying' so that only other roleplayers will be rendered to their screen. It's not a separate server but simply blinds players from seeing each other.
OOC Players will not know Roleplayer's are in the area and Roleplayers won't know OOC Players are in the area.
It can still be on one server at that point and while I am not sure how Cryptic's Engine works I know basic graphics rendering is elementally easy to segregate.
But again this would require Cryptic to want to put the effort into supporting Roleplaying and, honestly, whether they do or don't I'll be here playing so the incentive is a bit low to do something so drastic.
I dunno know about too few players. It's D&D, you'd be surprised how many people would like to RP. Yea, there'll be a bunch of people who don't, but those people are looking for a classic MMO. Half of the WoW/Diablo players will quit simply because those games went from needing some actual skill to "tank agro, healer atl+heal, everyone else smack the boss to death" And that's another problem for people. Tabbing each enemy to attack them will get rid of alot of them. Actually having to aim will make this game fun simply because you'll have to do better, but alot of gamers won't like the idea of targeting in an MMO. Look at Tera, great idea but people found the targeting too hard. Not cause it is hard, just cause it's not simple. Anyhow, my point was that RPing shouldn't be too hard since of alot of players will BE people who play D&D(RPing), and the different chat panels would be incredibly helpful. Heck, send me a message if anyone gets a solid idea on this problem.
Bottom line is ignoring they are talking doesn't solve the problem. In fact it makes me feel like a class act jerk ignoring players.
Also, the servers will be using instances a lot from what i understand so far. This too could be a mechanism for creating a RP only area, a RP instance maybe? As well, if I understand the Foundry's functionality correctly, each UGC is it self a instance. So maybe what ever controls a User has in setting up a UGC will allow for limiting it to RP??
Again, till we get our hands on the game and the Foundry, this is all just speculation. But at least it's some ideas to kick around and spur more ideas.
I think the rp u r talking about is only possible in small private servers. In MMOs a lot of things change to accomodate all kinds of players.
however, roleplay is as limited as your imagination. So in absence of certain things, imagination and creativity has to take over. Because remember, roleplay is older than computer games.
One thing you must remember is that people hate forced role-play and imo justifiably so. Therefore, if you want to play a certain faction, nothing is stopping you - go ahead and do it. Make your foundry missions based on that factions story and don't play official missions. But don't expect it to be there in official or canonical content. The cannon follows its own story.
Infact why limit your roleplay. With the way the game is, roleplay as space traveller from STO who comes to a world isolated somehwere far far way in the galaxy where your power cells run out. And then role-play as a person from Vulcan who works to go back to his world, and along the way helping some quests as they are "in the way".
Or roleplay as CO hero who planar transported to another dimension in 'multiverse'. But a role-play where all the people are forced to roleplay a certain faction (or factions) is a bad role-play as it limits the imagination.
Being a co-op MMO, the focus is not primarily on role-play and the target group is probably people under age 25, but the Neverwinter franchise has a fine pedigree, which I think the developers should stay as true to as possible. From the information we can gather, they have come a long way already, and they have even taken some new an innovative steps to carry on the NWN legacy.
The Foundry system where people can upload approved custom content is awesome, but even that will become old at some point as going through scores of hack 'n slash mods only is exciting for so long. It's good for longevity, but if they really want people to keep coming back over and over again, some sort of role-play setup where people can truly immerge themselves might proove a necessity.
Again, role-play might not have first priority at this point, but it is probably something the developers should take into account. That combined with the Foundry system would surely elevate this game way above its competitors.
Just sayin. It's role-play, not manditory, and doesn't necessarily make everybody feel as though they are a hard-core role-player.
Again, just sayin'.
A very good idea, i am pirating it to my ideas thread. In fact have a slider for deep and shrill voice which users can change according to their choice. Shouldn't be tough as it would just be like using a voice editing plugin with the game client.
We did ask stromshade that question (if it was possible to have RP-only instance which was monitored by some mods to enforce rp - but it seems very less-likely. The sever architecture makes it so that same rules apply to all instances.) It has not been answered yet though.
Speaking briefly as to what's done in Cryptic MMO Mechanics, people often have a RP channel to play their stories and coordinate meetings at places to socially RP and game RP (that is throughout the world and not done in just one game zone, but can also be done locally for immersion.)
There's one"mega server" and that's how Cryptic does it (servers linked to one game world.) Don't bother trying to change that as they won't do it for their fourth game build in existing game engine and server architecture.
Using voice modulation is fun, but when you try and speak, sometimes it doesn't sound clear (anybody who used D&D Virtual Table understands) let alone speaking out of character (OOC) is tough as it's not a simple toggle. And this is based on a system that had voice modulation built in, and here it would have to be developed, tested and rolled out. Time that would be spent away from other small things like additional classes and races since we would be researching new tech rather that building on existing one (Cryptic does have game voice support but not modulation support. Voice is not popularly used in STO and I can't comment on CO.)
I can hear the nay-sayers already,
"But truth, if we don't do something to make it part of the physical game, it will never be supported!"
To those who hold onto that, respectfully, it comes out of the rear end of a bull. I can't type what comes after bull, but yep, it's four letters.
If people are serious about role-playing, then role play. But it's up to those who are committed to it to band together and-and I'll try to use the word and clarify its meaning here-enforce it.
Now I don't mean "if you don't play your character, you can't be here," but the players who want to find like minded people need to play their character and keep playing their character. Even if it turns out you are the two people in an entire area (or even game) that do so. If you are passionate about something, then fight for it. But understand, your views are not always going to be the supported or popular ones, no matter how much you feel it makes sense to the "game mechanics."
Take PvP. There are those who say it is absolutely essential to any MMO and an MMO will fail without it. Then there are others who say PvP has nothing to do with D&D and the framework of the party setup being counterpoint to the ideals of D&D, even the latest edition of every character is balanced to work in a (co-op) group setup.
Want to know the secret to who's right? They both are!
But (much like certain political things which I will not detail here,) people on opposing sides think the only way they can "win" their point is impose their views and get some guarantee that their ways are always gong to be there (currently with a position sometimes that the other side will be sacrificed if it means their way succeeds.)
PvP is an important part to MMO's. But it's not always the right thing either. It may be vitally popular in one game, a very small minority in another, and anywhere in between for most. But the option is there to do it, and have a choice not to be forced either way and not take away resources from other things. This decision was prevalent enough to be one of the points that delayed the game to 2013 rather than have it later released after the game came out, risking alienating people needing this when it requires a mechanical setup. In the end, "PvP choice rules!" was a very wise decision even if only one reason in a game polishing checklist why.
Bu the wonderful thing about RPing is we don't need to have servers or voice servers or modulators or RPing filters to guarantee rping.
We just need to RP, find others who also RP, and keep it up as long as we don't block others from playing the game their way including (gasp) not RPing.
So, demand we have the right to RP, but don't enforce it with the mechanics of how we do it. And never force other to do it or leave "my game."
Just be your character and be happy with others who do theirs.
I agree, just use "Local" chat and RP your character!
People that are to far away wont hear you, so non-RP players wont have any problems with it.
Hope to RP with you all when the game is out!
Trolls and market shouts will interrupt constantly.
Dont worry!
Create a new tab! In this tab you choose what channels you want to see. Like "Lokal" for RP, "Guild" so you can talk to your guild, "Tell" so people can whisper to you, and maybe some other custum channels.
That way you wont see "Zone" chat where all the LFG, WTS and WTT is going on. b:pleased
With Neverwinter MMO... I'm imagining a classic movie like the Godfater, remade starring Zac Effron and Robert Pattinson. Simply blashpemous! But here's to holding out hope. Maybe us RP'ers can make our own forum or guild once the game launches.
Perhaps we should start building a roleplay guild now.
And to respond to iamtruthseeker id say it would still be helpful to have an rp filter or a server.
Roleplay cuts across guild's boundaries.
It's not like they are doing that movie remake and Dax Sheppard is taking over the Pacino role....
*whispered to*
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Anyway. Iamthetruthseeker just put very good post. s/he have very good point.
If you plan to play an Elf and maybe are willing to help out with the start as an officer, you are more than welcome to join Wolfpack, just say the word