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nordveig
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Hi,
Anybody who has played Neverwinter Nights knows that elfs are bit shorter than humans. I found out afterwards they got it wrong, elfs are the same seize as humans. Has cryptic got it right this time? However Drow male elfs are supposed to be a bit shorter than the average sized elf.
Anybody who has played Neverwinter Nights knows that elfs are bit shorter than humans. I found out afterwards they got it wrong, elfs are the same seize as humans. Has cryptic got it right this time? However Drow male elfs are supposed to be a bit shorter than the average sized elf.
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So humans are taller than elves.
Tieflings are the same as humans. They were in fact humans who got twisted blood because of now defunct pact.
They may look taller due to the horns though.
4th Edition Core Rulebooks may be a great and needed item, do not get me wrong, they do not dictate Campaign-Specific rules that are particular to the Realms or any other Campaign setting, however. I do not care what non-campaign rule-books state, I go by what is stated in Forgotten Realms specific rule-books and supplements as the Realms' differences are many when compared to other, non-Realms Campaigns and Rule-books. Forgotten Realms is fond for having addendums to the core/original-rulebooks. So much so, that such are very commonplace and becomes apparant when one looks at the sheer number of campaign-specific rule-books and supplements that have the words, "Forgotten Realms," imprinted upon them. Even more-so when one reads these FR books and DMs from them for a very long time.
Tieflings can vary in height and size quite a bit. What this will mean in NWO depends on how we can customize our tiefling's appearance, however. There are many things (mutations or demonic attributes if you will) than can vary the size and shape of one tiefling from another quite drastically. Tieflings of today were not born humans, they were born Tieflings. Yes, their ancestors were human just as they were demonic as well.
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For example, having average dutch height as 1.81m and UK height as 1.771m means dutch people are taller than british people. Though nobody is stopping an single briton to be 7ft in height or dutch person to be of 4ft in height.
Thus you can also have a 7 feet long halfling, but their average height will remain 3'10" - 4'2". And so a game with a reasonable choice of height for that race which is already listed officially will be more accurate.
So, we just dismiss all the Forgotten Realms rule-books and supplements because the 4th Ed Core Rule-book state otherwise, despite FR Material continually stating things in addendum to the rules and sometimes even flat out saying certain things are different?
I am sorry, but I have to wonder just how much Forgotten Realms Campaign Material have you read? I'm not talking about Novels or Video Game Material, I'm talking about the Forgotten Realms specific rules and actual material that PnP FR Dungeon Masters use.
I really hope PWE/Cryptic is not blind to the specifics and particulars of the Forgotten Realms when relating to core-rule books and other campaign settings. I'm going to have faith that WotC keeps them on track. I'm just disturbed at how much non-FR rules are being dictated as FR-rules by some of us simply because a non-FR Rulebook states one thing despite FR material stating another.
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And you are mixing up drow. It is well known that drow and eladrin a a bit taller than elves (but still shorter than humans) in average height. The post is regarding elves.
EDIT: If you don't believe me, here are references:-
"Drow vary in shape, features, and hair color as greatly as humans do."
"Drow females tend to be bigger and stronger than males. Both sexes tend to be lithe, slim, and graceful in build, features, and movements, much as other elves appear to human eyes."
Drow of the Underdark, page 5.
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besides the source isn't latest *facepalm*
Wow, just.. wow. Good luck with that.
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Thanks for your luck and wishes but I was expecting a better source after your criticism.
The point is wherever the elf have directly been compared with humans, they have come across shorter anyplace. Though there is a variation between their sub-races. I am not sure about how much that variation is, but they, on average basis, are all either just shorter of humans or a little bit more shorter. How much shorter drow are, I am not sure, but they are short.
You do see terms like 'just shy of human height' and 'almost the same as human height' but I have never come across an official comparison which specifically compares them as says that humans are the same height. It may be because 1"-2" may not be compared much difference and hence the term 'almost as tall as' or 'just shy of'. However elves are shorter than humans in forgotten realms, 4e and also afaik 3e.
Well, if this is true, and assuming Cryptic actually follows this, Neverwinter is going to be the first MMO ever to create a race where females are larger the males (on average anyway).
Well I think they did that in NWN2. Could be wrong but Drow females seem to be taller.
They did the exact same thing with STO, so I don't think that will be a problem.
In the 3.5 FRPG:
Human: 4'10" (male) 4'5" (female) +2d10
Elf: 4'10" (male) 4'5" (female) +2d10
Drow: 4'5" (male) 4'5" (female) +2d6
Edit: Well, searched my 4e stuff high and low, and since there's no special rules for elves/eladrin in FR this time around, I guess we're meant to assume the core rules' heights apply to them. Peculiar little change. Silly Spellplague.
Nah. Lineage II's dwarves, EverQuest II's sarnak, and WoW's tauren and worgen all have taller females than males if I recall correctly. In the case of the sarnak, the females are bigger overall, not just taller. I could swear there've been others, too. But as far as closer-to-human races you're probably right.