preservation ward

ene · January 2022

I tried with 1% mote, do you really need 450 preservation to raise an enchantment? Are we kidding right? I tried to put 3 for each slot. Obviously, failing me, he burned them all but the count only increased by 3/150 and not by 9/150, why? Isn't that a bit of an exaggeration 450 preservation for an enchantment? We can leave out the gold but there are still 300 preservation. It costs less to use a coal.

I hope it's a bug and not intended. Unfortunately I can't make less than 150 attempts, if I want to protect everything it costs me well 450 preservation.

arazith07 · January 2022

Sounds intentional to me. You could also just use a 100% mote for cheaper instead of a 1%.

plasticbat · January 2022

1. You only tried 3 times. Hence, 3/150. It is not about how many ward you place, it is about how many times you tried. If you put no ward at all and it fails (yes, you lose everything), it will increase by 1.
2. You don't have to protect all 3.
3. If it works properly, it should randomly take one of the 3 items when it fails. If the item is protected by the p-ward, it takes that p-ward. Taking all 3 p-wards is a bug.
4. Using p-wards at this stage before the bug is fixed is waste of p-ward. So, don't use p-ward for now.

ene · January 2022

But I didn't know about this bug

so I lost those few bans I just used to try. I checked the forum and I don't think there was a topic of this type.

If I protect everything, I cannot burn all the wards in the 3 slots, only the failed one, chosen randomly, should burn.

plasticbat · January 2022

ene#5785 said:
But I didn't know about this bug so I lost those few bans I just used to try. I checked the forum and I don't think there was a topic of this type.

If I protect everything, I cannot burn all the wards in the 3 slots, only the failed one, chosen randomly, should burn.

There was. The bug was reported in preview server forum and current Bug Report forum. But, it could be buried within those big posts.

ene · January 2022

plasticbat said:

ene#5785 said:
But I didn't know about this bug so I lost those few bans I just used to try. I checked the forum and I don't think there was a topic of this type.

If I protect everything, I cannot burn all the wards in the 3 slots, only the failed one, chosen randomly, should burn.
There was. The bug was reported in preview server forum and current Bug Report forum. But, it could be buried within those big posts.

well ... if in the honest state they can warn patch notes of this problem. Luckily I just wanted to try but think of the poor people who do not read the forum and see the ban burned UNJUSTLY.

plasticbat · January 2022

ene#5785 said:

plasticbat said:

ene#5785 said:
But I didn't know about this bug so I lost those few bans I just used to try. I checked the forum and I don't think there was a topic of this type.

If I protect everything, I cannot burn all the wards in the 3 slots, only the failed one, chosen randomly, should burn.
There was. The bug was reported in preview server forum and current Bug Report forum. But, it could be buried within those big posts.
well ... if in the honest state they can warn patch notes of this problem. Luckily I just wanted to try but think of the poor people who do not read the forum and see the ban burned UNJUSTLY.

Nope! They don't tell you all the bugs. Sadly, it is up to players to discover themselves, from forum or from other source.

Frankly, I have not upgraded anything. I have not exchanged anything. I am still stay put to see how they are going to fix stuff. If I want to verify something, I go to the preview server.

My own rule of thumb is: do not do/invest anything significantly until at least one week after a new mod launched. I have followed my own rule for a few mods already. Sure, I also missed all the 'free' stuff which may or may not get you ban.

seekey · January 2022

plasticbat said:
My own rule of thumb is: do not do/invest anything significantly until at least one week after a new mod launched.

This is a good rule. It appears to be the best to follow as things are now ...

liadan1984 · January 2022

This bug has been reported multiple times, on both preview and live.
I have reported this bug multiple times, on both preview and live.
I have seen it acknowledged a total of ZERO times.
The fact that they made these significant changes to the enchantment and refinement systems, and here we are, 10 days after mod launch, and the refinement system still has these HUGE bugs that have not even been ACKNOWLEDGED.

It makes the use of anything other than coal motes useless. Why would you even bother to use something like a 5% mote?
If you put pres wards against all 3 items, you can lose up to 3x pres wards on EACH attempt.
Cheaper to use coal.

@nitocris83
@noworries#8859
@crypticpop#7861

*edit for spelling*

plasticbat · January 2022

liadan1984#8734 said:
This bug has been reported multiple times, on both preview and live.
I have reported this bug multiple times, on both preview and live.
I have seen it acknowledged a total of ZERO times.
The fact that they made these significant changes to the enchantment and refinement systems, and here we are, 10 days after mod launch, and the refinement system still has these HUGE bugs that have not even been ACKNOWLEDGED.

It makes the use of anything other than coal motes useless. Why would you even bother to use something like a 5% mote?
If you put pres wards against all 3 items, you can lose up to 3x pres wards on EACH attempt.
Cheaper to use coal.

@nitocris83
@noworries#8859
@crypticpop#7861

*edit for spelling*

They talked about it in their live stream.

liadan1984 · January 2022

plasticbat said:

liadan1984#8734 said:
This bug has been reported multiple times, on both preview and live.
I have reported this bug multiple times, on both preview and live.
I have seen it acknowledged a total of ZERO times.
The fact that they made these significant changes to the enchantment and refinement systems, and here we are, 10 days after mod launch, and the refinement system still has these HUGE bugs that have not even been ACKNOWLEDGED.

It makes the use of anything other than coal motes useless. Why would you even bother to use something like a 5% mote?
If you put pres wards against all 3 items, you can lose up to 3x pres wards on EACH attempt.
Cheaper to use coal.

@nitocris83
@noworries#8859
@crypticpop#7861

*edit for spelling*
They talked about it in their live stream.

Due to timezone gymnastics, I rarely get to watch live streams (I'm usually asleep).
I know I can watch them later... but I'm usually doing other things
But good to know they talked about it in their live stream. Did they say they were going to fix it?

powerpuff · January 2022

It is an outrage that all the pres wards used are consumed for a failure when the failure will only consume one of the resources that are unprotected.

agoraotro · February 2022

I guess that this was meant to be intentional, or not, but it indeed doesn’t make any sense.

Noworries replied in the live stream that they don’t expect us to use wards to protect every item, which still doesn’t respond this question.

Why would I lose a preservation ward in the case where it is not really protecting that particular item? It is indeed confusing and clearly looks like a bug, even after reading many of the official posts about refinement changes.

I hope the devs give this a second thought and change it to only waste your ward when it is protecting the specific reagent.

Any feedback, @nitocris83 ?

armadeonx · February 2022

liadan1984#8734 said:

plasticbat said:

liadan1984#8734 said:
This bug has been reported multiple times, on both preview and live.
I have reported this bug multiple times, on both preview and live.
I have seen it acknowledged a total of ZERO times.
The fact that they made these significant changes to the enchantment and refinement systems, and here we are, 10 days after mod launch, and the refinement system still has these HUGE bugs that have not even been ACKNOWLEDGED.

It makes the use of anything other than coal motes useless. Why would you even bother to use something like a 5% mote?
If you put pres wards against all 3 items, you can lose up to 3x pres wards on EACH attempt.
Cheaper to use coal.

@nitocris83
@noworries#8859
@crypticpop#7861

*edit for spelling*
They talked about it in their live stream.
Due to timezone gymnastics, I rarely get to watch live streams (I'm usually asleep).
I know I can watch them later... but I'm usually doing other things
But good to know they talked about it in their live stream. Did they say they were going to fix it?

Yeah, saying they talked about it but not letting us know what they said is not really a helpful reply.

plasticbat · February 2022

armadeonx said:

liadan1984#8734 said:

plasticbat said:

liadan1984#8734 said:
This bug has been reported multiple times, on both preview and live.
I have reported this bug multiple times, on both preview and live.
I have seen it acknowledged a total of ZERO times.
The fact that they made these significant changes to the enchantment and refinement systems, and here we are, 10 days after mod launch, and the refinement system still has these HUGE bugs that have not even been ACKNOWLEDGED.

It makes the use of anything other than coal motes useless. Why would you even bother to use something like a 5% mote?
If you put pres wards against all 3 items, you can lose up to 3x pres wards on EACH attempt.
Cheaper to use coal.

@nitocris83
@noworries#8859
@crypticpop#7861

*edit for spelling*
They talked about it in their live stream.
Due to timezone gymnastics, I rarely get to watch live streams (I'm usually asleep).
I know I can watch them later... but I'm usually doing other things
But good to know they talked about it in their live stream. Did they say they were going to fix it?
Yeah, saying they talked about it but not letting us know what they said is not really a helpful reply.

Well, I did not say what they talked about because I did not watch that personally. I did read other said what they said. However, I consider what was repeated (if that is true) was pretty (sorry) stupid. Since I did not know personally if that is true or if there is missing context, I prefer not to repeat "he says". If one has interest, one can take the effort to find the live stream and check it out. I personally don't have enough interest to do so.

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