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rylar
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I have only been in game for 3 years now. I have noticed that end game awards such as the Lionheat and the set from Zariel Master Challenge, are avalible to a very elite few. Its slmost impossible to get into the groups for these items unless you have experience. There lays the challange, getting into the groups to get experience but you must have experience to get into the groups to get these items. When a weapon as good as Lion Heart, could be farmed solo, (Mirage Set), It was quickly and again silently nerfed. Was it because those that had Lion Heart weapons complaineed that it was on par with their damage output? We dont know. But i ask a question , to make it fair to players, should there be sets and gear that can be aquired through random q's that are on par with the Lion Heart and Zariel Master Challange set? Or should TOMM and ZMC be made into only pulblic q's. In the current system getting experience for TOMM and ZMC is not easy. You must know someone who knows someone to try to get into these groups. Maybe trying to make then end game content public q only would be fair to all players . Of course there would need to be requirements such as item level or a quest to be completed to get access to these q's. Just something to think about.
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> Does playing the game waste of time anyway? The purpose of entertainment for many is about wasting time.
I understand the basics of entertainment.
Wouldn’t rendering the rewards for completing “end game”content worthless by making them on par with what a player can get from solo play make it even harder to find groups for said content?
OP also seems to forget that you can already get very nice weapon sets without entering the end game trials, just craft them.
Wouldn't remotely surprise me seeing how they silently slipped watcher's in. Test run?
I still see a good 80% of dps I run demo with running mirage set, I never bothered with it, so seems people still see it as a good alternative. For tanks there are a lot of set options to fit the situation and play style, which is nice. For healers, they have a few minor options but nothing amazing.
Or maybe i just preffer gear that can buff the team rather than just me.
And just to make it clear, i do not own Lion, Zariel nor MW sets atm. Just saving AD (slowly) to get a MW in the future.
The trials are there, you can either try to find experienced players to carry you while you learn or get inexperienced ones and learn togheter.
Just go to PE and put something like "LF inexperienced TOMM players that want to learn togheter" and boom. If ppl really want to learn it you will get answers, and maybe a experienced player or two will pop up too to help.
The gear that doesn't required you to buy it with money or millions of AD in the AH, it's there for everyone. Might be hard, might take time, but it's there, for free, for everyone.
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> Yes, but that gave them an advantage when it went live. And I wouldn't be surprised to find out they are part of the crowd in PE running content "experienced only".
That’s not the point of @micky1p00 post though. Everyone starts out as inexperienced and has to learn via trial and error.
As far as your second comment goes, why wouldn’t they just use the same team they had on preview or recruit from their own guild? No the people asking for experience on day one are looking to be carried.
2. There is no advantage in the context of gaining weapons in doing it earlier. Only later.
3. Actually, the people who ran in PE and ask for experienced are not those who did on Preview.
No advantage on gaining a weapon earlier? Are we still talking about preview? If yes, then again there is advantage on it.
While getting it before it's launched, and upgrading it FOR FREE, cuz you sended toons with resources and shared them to one toon, you level the weapons and test it. AD lost testing? None. Experienced gained? A LOT.
Other than that, you can only rely on what other ppl say or just make a gamble with your resources and AD.
I feel the preview ones already have 2 or more copies of the weapons for every single toon they have. The ones on PE (imo) are mostly ppl with "dead" guilds or guild/alliance members that are either too low or just don't need to grind it anymore so they are grinding "new" content.
TL;DR: Preview is a big advantage that anyone can use (on pc at least) but only a small few use.
Soulweaver: The Lovely Red
Minstrel: The Rose Troubadour
As far as your third point, I doubt it. I remember the old days in the Well; "characters like X don't need Tiamat!" Which is an attitude that carried over to new trials, new dungeons, etc. Which is a lot like the current calls for XP only.
I know who did training runs on preview and who was asking for experienced people on the first week they are not even close to the same - funny thing the main person who did ask for experienced/finished people thought that the transition from phase one to the actual trial was the end, not knowing that it's just the beginning - later they tried to sell runs (weapons) while not accepting people without weapon to the groups - hence creating demand for their own sells tactics.
Calls like that are not related to content but to people, this is why people form guilds, to chose whom to play with, and not encounter such things. Haven't encountered it in my groups in old Tiamat (and never grouped via the well), nor ever since.
Same happened when the trial (tomm) went to console, i remember reading a post about a complain that X person had a pc player explaining them how to beat the trial in an event that rewarded the first group to complete it. By that time, there were a lot of videos explaining the mechanics and streamers doing it.
You can choose to ignore it and enjoy the surprise of discovery or you can inform yourself and use that advantage to increase your success.
Now, don't get me wrong. I am not saying that the beauty of surprise it's a bad thing, im just saying that we are in a game where you are expected to know the same things as someone that plays since mod 1. Which really really sucks.
Soulweaver: The Lovely Red
Minstrel: The Rose Troubadour
To me the issue is more about having a group of people that you can regularly run with (as per the guild & alliance comments above). If you have a group with sufficient IL to enter it, you can run together, get the experience & (hopefully) the gear.
This can be a drawback for those that aren't as good at being sociable or who don't have enough game time to form connections. I can't say this is anybody's fault, it's just unfortunate as people without such contacts rely more heavily on random premades to get into runs.
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Currently those Lionheart equipment just seem too... out of reach.
Best advise I can give is the same as said above, join a guild and talk with some people! When I joined my guild, I didn't know they did tomm. It was a nice surprise to see after I joined and even more of a surprise that I was able to go. I had only been in the guild 2 weeks!
Yes, it is difficult to find groups or even other players to practice with, because at the first failure there is always someone who leaves the group (most of the time it is the healer) which causes the group to quickly disintegrate. I understand who leaves, this one has probably watched some tutorial videos and is aware of the mechanics and is offended when other players die for example in the "spread" stage.
In the last few days, when doing RC, I've noticed that many players with 50k don't do the basics, like dodging the red zones or staying in Combat Advantage position (there's an in-game tutorial for this). But what caught my attention the most were the players who didn't know what Companion Enhacement Power was.
I have the mirage and none of my toons possess the the lion heart nor zariel set. Even tho I didn't like the fix to mirage set previously I felt and agreed with the lionheart and zariel set being better than mirage in most cases because I understand the work it takes to get those other sets.
I know that if I wanted to get those in the beginning I would have to practice, watch videos and probably fail a lot. I would have to have group of friends willing to do the same (guild or otherwise). I would have to make sure my build, knowledge of my class/ responsibilities during the run were up to par to make sure I'm a worthy contributor to what I and my friends hope to accomplish.
I did none of those things and still don't care to so I am left to whatever options the game provides that I'm willing to grind. Finding and building a group, is part of the work. Although possibly not likable it is fair.
Everyone wants equality of outcome and it's weak minded bs. If you want it, work for it and EARN your prize.
The "ELITE FEW" are where they are because they put themselves there. I am not, for example, because I did not do the work and that is fair. If I don't have the shiny HAMSTER those people have, well that's just too bad. If I really want it I know what I have to do because the opportunity is there.
All these"have-not" folks always should up here and pander for hand outs. If you don't want to work for it or can't then it shouldn't be yours.
> I've been playing this game for years and I've done many, many dungeons, grinding and playing my role as best I can. I suppose that's just not enough grind for you then. X)
No. The game has specific rewards for the particular grind that you do. If I grind ToMM, I would expect to get that weapon set. Not be gifted the mirage set from cryptic as a participation trophy.
As I've also spent years grinding dungeons, I've never assumed I should be gifted items from content I don't do. Should I?