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The companion changes are made to drive Zen sales

mentinmindmakermentinmindmaker Member Posts: 1,235 Arc User
Rather than cross-posting, here is the link to my thoughts posted on Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Neverwinter/comments/iy4hp9/buy_your_xuna_now/

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  • sandukutupusandukutupu Member Posts: 2,253 Arc User
    I own a Xuna (free anniversary gift) and don't think she is my best companion. A lot of players have hyped her up over time. I get as much functional use out of my Zhentarim Warlocks, Renegade Invoker, Skeleton, Honey Badger, Wayward Wizard, and Illusionist. None of those are augments, and players seem to be of the mindset that augments are the rat's bottom.

    I do understand AH prices will probably jump up, as they did with the recent changes made for mounts. Before the changes, I could buy most epic mounts for 200K or less in the AH. They shot up to 400K and 500K overnight. The companions will most likely be more gradual change as the supply runs dry.

    Personally I don't run a dungeon out of greed and immediate profit to resell items made from the run. In fact, I seldom run dungeons. I do however, buy low and sell high. I bank items over time and like wine, they become more valuable to the buyers. If I buy up augments and companions cheap, then bank them for the future, I could come out ahead. There is always the risk Cryptic Studios will offer those same items just as easy to obtain elsewhere in the game at a later date. To me, the risk is negligible as it is not real money.
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  • nooneatzanooneatza Member Posts: 173 Arc User
    The way i see it, progression oriented players are going to be stopped in their tracks.
    I will do my best to give two examples:

    Example 1:
    I'm at the point where i reached lv 80, got a few boons and upped a few enchantments and i want to look into setting up a proper build for, let's say tanking tomm (which opposed to what anyone says, it is now plagued by powercreep and the only problem is mechanics, which to some degree can even be bruteforced)

    I will need, ehm, lets say a red dragon ioun stone, a zhentarim warlock, maybe an iron golem?
    What are my options now:
    1.Run dungeons like a madman until i get them, and we know the chances of getting the SPECIFIC companion i want are pretty low due to the amount of possible companions (and we dont know the droprate yet)

    2.Spend money to get zen to buy it from the zen market

    3. Spend AD to buy them from the quickly-drying-up supply of the AH
    4. Put AD in the ZAX and wait to get the zen to then get them from the zen market

    Point 3. and 4. are where the problem lies. Without those unbound loots i dont really have a chance at getting that many resources so i'd have to calculate my income in refined ad/day (100k) and the energons/batiris/enchanting stones/trobriand set pieces/dark remnants pieces/orcus artifacts i can drop and sell. That's about all the income sources i can have.
    I would now feel obligated to buy vip to have an extra little source of income, and that's only if i would open the old format of lockboxes since the new one very rarely returns your investment.

    Obviously you can come and tell me there are other, better ways to make ad, and of course there are, but they mostly require you to play "the long game" which is why i didn't bring them up.
    Heck, even i agree that the worst way to get ad longterm is to grind stuff for unbound loots, but it still is one of the fastest ways to get AD quick, dropping one big ticket item like a bulette or something in some redq filled your pocket with cash.


    Example 2:
    I am now a guy that has everything, i want to buy a bulette pup for an alt im building because it's bis and i am sure i can afford it. I look in the AH and see there are none, i look in the zax and i see the same 5x5k listings sitting there for 2 months now, i dont have zen because i spent it on something a month ago. I could open up my wallet and buy zen, sure, but why would i do that when i can just play another game for a month waiting for my zen to flip?
    The problem posed in example 2 isn't as impactful on the game as Example 1, but the point here is that not much ad is getting sunk through taxes.


    TL;DR for the lazier peepos: without unbound loots to sell/buy, player progression will be slowed down and some will feel obligated to spend money.

    Conclusion for any dev that would read this: Give us more chase items, stuff worth putting in the AH, unbound fashions maybe if we don't get equippable items
  • rikitakirikitaki Member Posts: 754 Arc User
    @nooneatza
    ad 2. Spend money to get Zen to buy it from the Zen market... where the hamster did you get this option? In the Zen market companion department, there is literally nothing from any possible wish-list. DPS, heal, tank... nothing, naga.
    And this is why they will not get any bonus sales from all those restrictions. This is why the discounts don't matter... because there is no purpose in having a companion from the Zen market. As long as the companions are useless, the only buyers are still gonna be the clueless... and the collectors.

    @sandukutupu Yes, many companions are fun to watch, but there really is at least 10x difference in damage dealt between Xuna/Abby Chick and any other companion. 10x... at least. Then there are augments, those give you a whole hamster-load of stats. That really does have some utility too.
    And while it is nice to enjoy the game - unfortunately, it usually comes down to killing stuff. And you will notice when you are twice as fast with the killing. It is actually hard not to notice. My pally has some serious problems to kill anything in the Avernus - it is safe, but it takes ages. But the Abby Chick? That monster alone has twice the damage output which I can muster with a legendary augment.
  • nooneatzanooneatza Member Posts: 173 Arc User
    @rikitaki everyone just assumes they will revamp the zen market with companions and mounts, otherwise it would make absolutely no sense. Everyone has their opinion on the devs but i really want to think they won't just make every useful companion account bound and behind an rng gate without a way to circumvent said gate (zen)
  • darthpotaterdarthpotater Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,099 Arc User
    @nooneatza
    I agree totally with you, but maybe they put those companions in the tradebar store. Anyway, the options are limited unless they change the availability of those companions / mounts.

    As I writed in other post, I have the feeling that they are making AD much more useless with each change, pushing players more and more to spend money. Spending lot of time wont be enough to compete.

    When the game was released, people with lot of time could progress much faster than now.
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  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 9,652 Arc User
    edited September 2020
    Companion is now cheaper in Zen store and it is also account wide. The only issue is it does not have anything good. If they want to earn money, they will put something good there. We can hope the price is still 'reasonable'.

    For companion choice, I always go for augment ... until they introduced bonding runestone (which did not benefit augment much or at all in the beginning). Then, the tiger. Now, back to augment. A benefit of augment for me is I always have a account wide augment companion which may not be the best but I don't need to buy one for new character. I also don't need to worry about what the free running companion is doing. These days I tempted to get rid of the puppet of my warlock because it kills stuff which I want them keep spawning. I could not get rid of puppet in combat because of the feat I chose. Sigh!
  • sandukutupusandukutupu Member Posts: 2,253 Arc User
    rikitaki said:


    @sandukutupu Yes, many companions are fun to watch, but there really is at least 10x difference in damage dealt between Xuna/Abby Chick and any other companion. 10x... at least. Then there are augments, those give you a whole hamster-load of stats. That really does have some utility too.
    And while it is nice to enjoy the game - unfortunately, it usually comes down to killing stuff. And you will notice when you are twice as fast with the killing. It is actually hard not to notice. My pally has some serious problems to kill anything in the Avernus - it is safe, but it takes ages. But the Abby Chick? That monster alone has twice the damage output which I can muster with a legendary augment.

    I don't see 10 times the damage. Xuna has the Rogue's Bloodbath move on a quicker cooldown timer. My Xuna happens to be partnered with my rogue Stardust. As you know Xuna can perform this move 3 times per minute (about once or twice in a small fight) while playing as Stardust, I am allowed this as a Daily Power, I can do it once assuming I have the Action Points. I don't have any of my Abyssal Chickens equipped to anyone, as I plan to give those out as prizes at the Player's Halloween Party this October. I can't say I see anything special about them chickens, but I will take your word for it.

    IF all of this is some epic strategy by Cryptic developers to jack up the AD value of Epic Companions, I find it very pathetic...


    They would be ahead to create and drop new companions into the Zen store. New companions with "better functionality" and not about buffing up the player or being a superman. They would need to be BtA so they could not be sold in the Auction House for profit. They just need to get creative and put their thinking caps on.

    Some of my suggestions would be;

    The Reanimator - Doesn't fight but can reanimate the entire party once every 10 minutes (akin to a mass life scroll or tears of Bahamut). The cooldown would need to be long, otherwise the companion would replace life scrolls. Healing bonus.
    The Pack Horse - Follows you around not an augment, doesn't fight, and doesn't get hurt in battle. Has a very large inventory and auto loots for you. AD and Gold gain as a bonus.
    Weapons Specialist - This guy acts like a golf caddie and pulls out the better weapon for your current fight. While he does not buff you, his bonus buffs your weapon for this one fight. Trust me, use the 5 wood on this hole!

    Be different, think unique, get creative, and have fun! <3
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  • reg1981reg1981 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,374 Arc User
    I have hope that green/blue versions of pets will remain unbound. IMO there are only 3 companions worth getting in the zen store at the moment. The Quasit, The Ghost, and the Stronghold Cleric(If your still building your SH)
  • reg1981 said:

    I have hope that green/blue versions of pets will remain unbound. IMO there are only 3 companions worth getting in the zen store at the moment. The Quasit, The Ghost, and the Stronghold Cleric(If your still building your SH)

    I got an Energon a few min ago from a dread legion chest and it was unbound. Maybe Energon is not considered a "premium reward" or the bound to account thing only will apply to new items added to the game.
  • auron#6793 auron Member Posts: 325 Arc User
    edited September 2020
    I don't see it as a drive for zen sales. If it was they would add an item to the zen store that could unbind the companions. I have seen this done on other games.

    I really don't understand the thinking behind this one unless it is related to bot farming. Not saying this is necessarily the case but if it is it is the wrong way to go about it.

    as a side note, I detest reddit as a whole and avoid it like the plague.
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  • sandukutupusandukutupu Member Posts: 2,253 Arc User
    Good morning;

    Apparently all those concerns expressed above were unfounded. I think this video covers it.



    Have fun! <3
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  • mentinmindmakermentinmindmaker Member Posts: 1,235 Arc User


    Apparently all those concerns expressed above were unfounded.

    I think she is wrong about these drops being in addition to what we had.
    Cryptic confirmed that the old premium loot system was removed/turned off, and most of the unbound companion drops came from that I think.

    It seems there still are some companions dropping unbound that are regular loot and not Premium loot, like the Energon from Dread Ring.
  • sandukutupusandukutupu Member Posts: 2,253 Arc User

    Just spent 2.5hrs, across 5 toons, doing queues. RTQ/REDQ/Skirmishes. Only thing to show for my efforts 5k AD from a Castle Never run. You receive the usual queue rewards as expected, in the form of RAD, a few gems and a rare ring of whogivesadamn +whatever. Seeing nothing from this so far, i would consider worth my time. Will give it a few more days, then i'm done bothering. Would love to know what they define as 'Premium'.

    In a few hours, I will jump back on and do some (non random) Demogorgon runs. I have a mess of keys for his chest and reroll tokens as well. Her video expressed some dungeons are restricted, maybe you can't collect these from random ques so I will try the Trials and see what happens there.
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  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 9,652 Arc User

    From personal experience, (and this only being day 1), i'm not entirely impressed at all. But again....one day is hardly a solid test sample.

    Might consider doing a more detailed and thorough look at a later date.

    Would be nice to also hear back from others about their current experiences thus far. Might help to get a better handle on what we're being sold.

    Fake gold, or the real deal?!?

    Monitor this thread.
    https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter/#/discussion/1257989/premium-dungeon-loot-recorded
  • sandukutupusandukutupu Member Posts: 2,253 Arc User

    It's nice to see a few people here and there sharing their success stories, but i expect there's considerably more stories of disappointment. Pretty sure the percentage chances will be the usual garbage to zero percent.....let's wait and see how this one unfolds.

    Neverwinter stories seldom have a happy ending.

    Everyone I talk to about the game calls me an optimist. I think the chances are probably very rare like pulling the coalescent ward from the prayer chest after 11 invokes. I ran though several Demogorgon yesterday and found nothing new. I used rerolls as well. I am not too disappointed. I would be more disappointed with no success stories. The forums only reflects a microcosm of the whole. This means there are many not being told.

    As for Neverwinter stories not having a happy ending, I have always complained about Cryptic Studios leaving stories dangle, unfinished, full of plot holes, and open ended. Very few of the campaigns have an ending at all, the one with the best ending, they needed to call in professional author just to write it for them. I understand your concerns.

    Have fun! <3
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  • regenerderegenerde Member Posts: 2,915 Arc User
    edited September 2020
    Well, i don't know about other players, but HAMSTER like this isn't going to "encourage" me to spend more money here, it's rather going to have the opposite effect... and money that could have gone into NWO is finding it's way into other games instead.

    Not to mention, with a "support" in place that can't even help players with issues regarding the ZEN shop, why the ever loving HAMSTER should i even think about spending more money here?! It looks like, when there's a problem of any kind, players are left up HAMSTER creek without a paddle.
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