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Is botting now apparently acceptable to cryptic ?

pelgraxpelgrax Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 486 Arc User
in General Discussion (PC)
As the above.
There's a prolific botter that constantly camps out at the monument below charthraxis in neverdeath .
He's got very high level enchants ( not allowed to name and shame here ) , not affiliated to any guild according to his screen info so he's not recruiting for any guilds .
He's parked up for hours on end and if you observe his sw ( using the puppet to kill the mobs ) you can see the repeat character movement to bypass the 15 min character idle time .
The only reason otherwise to be at that spawning point is to bot for gold/items that can be converted to gold . So he is obviously tied into an account that is doing a lot of profession works . Never see the character outside of neverdeath .
Nothing ever seems to get done about characters like this even when attaching video evidence to tickets .

So again I ask is this now generally acceptable to cryptic ?
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  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 7,158 Arc User
    Did you, by any chance, get his @handle and report him?
    I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
  • kharkov58kharkov58 Member Posts: 669 Arc User
    And the answer to your question, is NO, they do not care enough to put any effort into it.
  • sandukutupusandukutupu Member Posts: 2,285 Arc User
    Technically what you are calling botting is AFK farming, but along the same lines. There isn't much to be done by players except to report expected behaviors as such. For all we know, he is there at the keyboard and thus not in violation. He could be reading mail, checking on professions, or buying and selling in the AH. I am in no way saying that you are wrong. It is just impossible for a player to say for sure.

    If you suspect a player is AFK farming or botting, you can use /report function from the chat in game. Be sure to tell them what you see and what you suspect they are doing. Unfortunately I don't think Cryptic can prove or disprove the player isn't at the keyboard either. Unless they have his phone number and give him a ring.
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  • pelgraxpelgrax Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 486 Arc User
    Watching his movements , he moves a few minor steps then retreats the same number of steps . Waits about 20 secs and repeats . He's there for hours on end ( over 6 hours at a minimum ) so no way he's doing that manually . Never uses his character to attack and relies on the sw puppet to kill the low level mobs . Video has been attached to support ticket but again nothing apparently ever done about it . If he were to be PM'ed I guarantee he won't reply as he is botting / AFK farming for gold obviously
  • sandukutupusandukutupu Member Posts: 2,285 Arc User
    pelgrax said:

    Watching his movements , he moves a few minor steps then retreats the same number of steps . Waits about 20 secs and repeats . He's there for hours on end ( over 6 hours at a minimum ) so no way he's doing that manually . Never uses his character to attack and relies on the sw puppet to kill the low level mobs . Video has been attached to support ticket but again nothing apparently ever done about it . If he were to be PM'ed I guarantee he won't reply as he is botting / AFK farming for gold obviously

    The time spent online is about the only way to judge him. In the end, you need to report it and Cryptic needs to deal with it. The reason AFK farmers "get away with it" is players pass him by, he is not in a dungeon, and they are the ones who just don't care.
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  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,463 Arc User
    edited January 2020
    pelgrax said:

    Watching his movements , he moves a few minor steps then retreats the same number of steps . Waits about 20 secs and repeats . He's there for hours on end ( over 6 hours at a minimum ) so no way he's doing that manually . Never uses his character to attack and relies on the sw puppet to kill the low level mobs . Video has been attached to support ticket but again nothing apparently ever done about it . If he were to be PM'ed I guarantee he won't reply as he is botting / AFK farming for gold obviously

    If you do not report, how exactly can Cryptic know about it? Based on your description, he is probably using a mouse macro came with most gaming mouse. Not even any complicated hacker type of botting method. It is hard to detect when all the players are playing, clicking the mouse and hitting the key. He may as well let the game running and watching Netflex. If you pm him, he may even reply.
    *** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
  • thefiresidecatthefiresidecat Member Posts: 4,486 Arc User
    it's a thin line between macros and botting.. I know i've farmed in the same spot for hours though while doing other things. he could be reading a book. or watching tv. I used to do some work on the computer while doing various farming. it was probably 6 hours a night.
  • marvyn#9793 marvyn
    marvyn#9793
         Member Posts: 50 Arc User
    Botting and AFKing players needs to be a topic for a CDP at some point.

    I just did a Demorgorgon where a player died within seconds of it starting and then warmed himself by the campfire for 95% of the rest of the time, emerging only to hit the boss a few times in phase 3 before dying again.

    It's just not on. There either needs to be better player functions to deal with this, or, the game moderators need to be swifter at taking action.


    Personally - I'd like the following feature to be added and it shouldn't be that difficult to code:

    You will not be grouped with players on your ignore list in random queues. That way:

    A: You won't have to be randomly grouped with players who have previously griefed or otherwise been disruptive in parties, and,
    B: You can ignore players who are AFKers / suspected Bots and know that at least you won't have to encounter that toon again.
  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,463 Arc User
    edited January 2020
    marvyn#9793 said:


    You will not be grouped with players on your ignore list in random queues. That way:

    Be careful on this one because it can have undesirable effect.

    Say, you somehow upset a bunch of people such as posting one message more than they like or they think you are another person they hate. You are ignored by (say) 30 people over the course of (say) half a year. These 30 people do RQ in different groups. You will have hard time to do RQ at all when they are all doing RQ and You don't even know why.
    *** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
  • marvyn#9793 marvyn
    marvyn#9793
         Member Posts: 50 Arc User
    plasticbat said:

    marvyn#9793 said:


    You will not be grouped with players on your ignore list in random queues. That way:

    Be careful on this one because it can have undesirable effect.

    Say, you somehow upset a bunch of people such as posting one message more than they like or they think you are another person they hate. You are ignored by (say) 30 people over the course of (say) half a year. These 30 people do RQ in different groups. You will have hard time to do RQ at all when they are all doing RQ and You don't even know why.

    There'd have to be very few players in Neverwinter so that 30 people ignoring you would have a noticeable effect on queue times.
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  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,463 Arc User
    edited January 2020
    marvyn#9793 said:



    plasticbat said:

    marvyn#9793 said:


    You will not be grouped with players on your ignore list in random queues. That way:

    Be careful on this one because it can have undesirable effect.

    Say, you somehow upset a bunch of people such as posting one message more than they like or they think you are another person they hate. You are ignored by (say) 30 people over the course of (say) half a year. These 30 people do RQ in different groups. You will have hard time to do RQ at all when they are all doing RQ and You don't even know why.

    There'd have to be very few players in Neverwinter so that 30 people ignoring you would have a noticeable effect on queue times.
    Let me put it as those have less ignored would be queued faster than those have more ignored. This is exactly what you want anyway.
    The number of people ignored a particular individual (legit or not) can only be increased in the course of the years.
    *** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
  • marvyn#9793 marvyn
    marvyn#9793
         Member Posts: 50 Arc User
    plasticbat said:

    marvyn#9793 said:



    plasticbat said:

    marvyn#9793 said:


    You will not be grouped with players on your ignore list in random queues. That way:

    Be careful on this one because it can have undesirable effect.

    Say, you somehow upset a bunch of people such as posting one message more than they like or they think you are another person they hate. You are ignored by (say) 30 people over the course of (say) half a year. These 30 people do RQ in different groups. You will have hard time to do RQ at all when they are all doing RQ and You don't even know why.

    There'd have to be very few players in Neverwinter so that 30 people ignoring you would have a noticeable effect on queue times.
    Let me put it as those have less ignored would be queued faster than those have more ignored. This is exactly what you want anyway.
    The number of people ignored a particular individual (legit or not) can only be increased in the course of the years.
    I'm perfectly happy to wait a little longer as a healer to play with a random selection of players that aren't on my ignore list. They'd only be on my ignore list in the first place if they were abusive or AFKers.

    If I'm ignored by players, similarly - I'm perfectly happy with that too - they should be able to play in a random group with players they haven't ignored.
  • sandukutupusandukutupu Member Posts: 2,285 Arc User
    I get the "vibe" some people reading this are missing the points.
    • The title of this thread is a misapplied statement. Most users only report bots and AFKing to Cryptic when it effects their gaming. Cryptic has no idea who is botting the game unless someone cares enough to report them.
    • The OP watches suspicious behaviors, and came here, to the forum, but this is the wrong place to /report players.
    • Next it is assumed by some players, Cryptic condones this because the person is doing it "off the grid" in a location far removed from traffic.
    • Finally many doubt he is AFK farming at all, because the reward is too low. Reason could be just to test how long his AFK bot remains active. The programmers who create these scripts sell them for real cash on the dark webs.
    Most players look at him and think he is stuck, others think it isn't hurting the game, and too many don't use /report to alert Cryptic. They don't just take your word for it and wipe him out. They put someone in there to study him and then smack him upside the head with ban hammer!
    Anyone confused on how to report bad things in game should read this page.

    Don't support bots by turning a blind eye.
    Have Fun! <3
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  • namelesshero347namelesshero347 Member Posts: 2,109 Arc User
    marvyn#9793 said:

    plasticbat said:

    marvyn#9793 said:



    plasticbat said:

    marvyn#9793 said:


    You will not be grouped with players on your ignore list in random queues. That way:

    Be careful on this one because it can have undesirable effect.

    Say, you somehow upset a bunch of people such as posting one message more than they like or they think you are another person they hate. You are ignored by (say) 30 people over the course of (say) half a year. These 30 people do RQ in different groups. You will have hard time to do RQ at all when they are all doing RQ and You don't even know why.

    There'd have to be very few players in Neverwinter so that 30 people ignoring you would have a noticeable effect on queue times.
    Let me put it as those have less ignored would be queued faster than those have more ignored. This is exactly what you want anyway.
    The number of people ignored a particular individual (legit or not) can only be increased in the course of the years.
    I'm perfectly happy to wait a little longer as a healer to play with a random selection of players that aren't on my ignore list. They'd only be on my ignore list in the first place if they were abusive or AFKers.

    If I'm ignored by players, similarly - I'm perfectly happy with that too - they should be able to play in a random group with players they haven't ignored.
    I would not underestimate all the dumb reasons people put others on ignore. The queue would be frozen most of the time. Even if you have only a few people on ignore, you will be greatly impacted. Generally the queue works in a first-in-first-out fashion. When you join the queue, there will be a lot of people currently blocked and the algorithm will generally try to match them before you.
  • marvyn#9793 marvyn
    marvyn#9793
         Member Posts: 50 Arc User
    namelesshero347 said:

    marvyn#9793 said:

    plasticbat said:

    marvyn#9793 said:



    plasticbat said:

    marvyn#9793 said:


    You will not be grouped with players on your ignore list in random queues. That way:

    Be careful on this one because it can have undesirable effect.

    Say, you somehow upset a bunch of people such as posting one message more than they like or they think you are another person they hate. You are ignored by (say) 30 people over the course of (say) half a year. These 30 people do RQ in different groups. You will have hard time to do RQ at all when they are all doing RQ and You don't even know why.

    There'd have to be very few players in Neverwinter so that 30 people ignoring you would have a noticeable effect on queue times.
    Let me put it as those have less ignored would be queued faster than those have more ignored. This is exactly what you want anyway.
    The number of people ignored a particular individual (legit or not) can only be increased in the course of the years.
    I'm perfectly happy to wait a little longer as a healer to play with a random selection of players that aren't on my ignore list. They'd only be on my ignore list in the first place if they were abusive or AFKers.

    If I'm ignored by players, similarly - I'm perfectly happy with that too - they should be able to play in a random group with players they haven't ignored.
    I would not underestimate all the dumb reasons people put others on ignore. The queue would be frozen most of the time. Even if you have only a few people on ignore, you will be greatly impacted. Generally the queue works in a first-in-first-out fashion. When you join the queue, there will be a lot of people currently blocked and the algorithm will generally try to match them before you.
    The system works absolutely fine in another game where adding someone to your ignore list prevents you from being put in random groups with that player.

    Simply depends on how the code is written.
  • namelesshero347namelesshero347 Member Posts: 2,109 Arc User
    marvyn#9793 said:

    namelesshero347 said:

    marvyn#9793 said:

    plasticbat said:

    marvyn#9793 said:



    plasticbat said:

    marvyn#9793 said:


    You will not be grouped with players on your ignore list in random queues. That way:

    Be careful on this one because it can have undesirable effect.

    Say, you somehow upset a bunch of people such as posting one message more than they like or they think you are another person they hate. You are ignored by (say) 30 people over the course of (say) half a year. These 30 people do RQ in different groups. You will have hard time to do RQ at all when they are all doing RQ and You don't even know why.

    There'd have to be very few players in Neverwinter so that 30 people ignoring you would have a noticeable effect on queue times.
    Let me put it as those have less ignored would be queued faster than those have more ignored. This is exactly what you want anyway.
    The number of people ignored a particular individual (legit or not) can only be increased in the course of the years.
    I'm perfectly happy to wait a little longer as a healer to play with a random selection of players that aren't on my ignore list. They'd only be on my ignore list in the first place if they were abusive or AFKers.

    If I'm ignored by players, similarly - I'm perfectly happy with that too - they should be able to play in a random group with players they haven't ignored.
    I would not underestimate all the dumb reasons people put others on ignore. The queue would be frozen most of the time. Even if you have only a few people on ignore, you will be greatly impacted. Generally the queue works in a first-in-first-out fashion. When you join the queue, there will be a lot of people currently blocked and the algorithm will generally try to match them before you.
    The system works absolutely fine in another game where adding someone to your ignore list prevents you from being put in random groups with that player.

    Simply depends on how the code is written.
    I do not play many other games so I do not know which game you are referring to. Ignore list coupled with the group composition requirement of NWN queues could make matches impossible for some queues, dungeons, or time of day, no matter how good the matching algorithm is. Imagine you are in a run at the final boss and you lost your tank/heal. Hope no one in your group, or the rare tank/heal queueing up, has a ginormous ignore list.
  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 7,158 Arc User
    namelesshero347 said:



    I would not underestimate all the dumb reasons people put others on ignore. The queue would be frozen most of the time. Even if you have only a few people on ignore, you will be greatly impacted. Generally the queue works in a first-in-first-out fashion. When you join the queue, there will be a lot of people currently blocked and the algorithm will generally try to match them before you.

    Just because one person does not agree with the reasoning, that does not mean that the reason someone is put on ignore is dumb.
    I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
  • thefiresidecatthefiresidecat Member Posts: 4,486 Arc User
    I don't think it necessarily works that way in this game. in the past I've been put in que with people i knew i had on ignore
  • jules#6770 jules
    jules#6770
         Member Posts: 709 Arc User
    edited January 2020
    thefiresidecat said:

    I don't think it necessarily works that way in this game. in the past I've been put in que with people i knew i had on ignore

    Yeah. I remember running a dungeon, or attempting to, with two people that had each other on ignore, or at least they said so. They completely refused to run together and tried to get each other to leave first.
    I had nothing else to do, so I was on chat with others, but we stood there for a very long time until they figured out what they were gonna do. In the end, one left, but a lot of very idiotic stuff was said that was very enjoyable for somebody like me, that has no problem with some drama, but not so enjoyable for some other people.
    - bye bye -
  • duckie#5377 duckie
    duckie#5377
         Member Posts: 42 Arc User
    thefiresidecat said:

    it's a thin line between macros and botting.. I know i've farmed in the same spot for hours though while doing other things. he could be reading a book. or watching tv. I used to do some work on the computer while doing various farming. it was probably 6 hours a night.

    Xuna involved by any chance? It all makes sense now - I throw fact at you based on dungeon experience and you keep throwing back some random theories or assumptions. This activity being discussed here is why companions should not be doing massive amounts of damage... they never have and Xuna is the exception - in short Bugged.
  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,463 Arc User
    edited January 2020
    duckie#5377 said:

    thefiresidecat said:

    it's a thin line between macros and botting.. I know i've farmed in the same spot for hours though while doing other things. he could be reading a book. or watching tv. I used to do some work on the computer while doing various farming. it was probably 6 hours a night.

    Xuna involved by any chance? It all makes sense now - I throw fact at you based on dungeon experience and you keep throwing back some random theories or assumptions. This activity being discussed here is why companions should not be doing massive amounts of damage... they never have and Xuna is the exception - in short Bugged.
    In graveyard, almost any companion can kill. For those who did farming in graveyard in the past, Xuna was not born as companion.
    *** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
  • jules#6770 jules
    jules#6770
         Member Posts: 709 Arc User
    greywynd said:

    kharkov58 said:

    And the answer to your question, is NO, they do not care enough to put any effort into it.

    Horse hockey. I reported a bot through the game when I was in a dungeon. The toon was removed within minutes of the report.
    In a dungeon, you can get others to report it too. I also guess that it's different if its a bot in a dungeon or in a zone.

    However, one can also find me standing around in a map too. I just don't have a soul puppet, but what do I know what my comp is up to? I'm just chatting.
    Thats generally what I would assume by any char randomly standing around. If it's a bot in a dungeon, I report it. But I'm not bothered by comps killing stuff, I rarely pay attention to other players standing around tbh.

    - bye bye -
  • thefiresidecatthefiresidecat Member Posts: 4,486 Arc User
    edited January 2020
    duckie#5377 said:

    thefiresidecat said:

    it's a thin line between macros and botting.. I know i've farmed in the same spot for hours though while doing other things. he could be reading a book. or watching tv. I used to do some work on the computer while doing various farming. it was probably 6 hours a night.

    Xuna involved by any chance? It all makes sense now - I throw fact at you based on dungeon experience and you keep throwing back some random theories or assumptions. This activity being discussed here is why companions should not be doing massive amounts of damage... they never have and Xuna is the exception - in short Bugged.
    I suggest you scroll up and look at the title of this thread my dearie. as to the topic here that was being discussed, Botting vs farming... I haven't done it for a long time because it's moved away from being even a tiny bit profitable for me even for time doing something else when doing it. but I used to use my tiger to do my dirty work. and ftr, a soul puppet hardly deals massive amounts of damage. it's more like a gentle petting.
  • namelesshero347namelesshero347 Member Posts: 2,109 Arc User
    jules#6770 said:

    thefiresidecat said:

    I don't think it necessarily works that way in this game. in the past I've been put in que with people i knew i had on ignore

    Yeah. I remember running a dungeon, or attempting to, with two people that had each other on ignore, or at least they said so. They completely refused to run together and tried to get each other to leave first.
    I had nothing else to do, so I was on chat with others, but we stood there for a very long time until they figured out what they were gonna do. In the end, one left, but a lot of very idiotic stuff was said that was very enjoyable for somebody like me, that has no problem with some drama, but not so enjoyable for some other people.
    HAHA I remember one time when four players from the same guild kicked my tank from LoMM as the final boss went down. I cursed them out in DM and they put me on ignore after their smug response. Well, I had the last laugh because the next day I ended up in LoMM with two of the players. I cursed them out in chat and told them they now have to wait 5 minutes to kick me and start the long wait for the next tank.

    How dumb are these people. If there is disagreement on how things should be done, just finish the run and part ways. No one will remember the run in a day or two. If these people thought they could avoid me in the future by putting me on ignore, they got a nasty surprise.

    I do not put anyone on ignore because when I look at it again, I will not remember why they are there. It could have been for some dumb petty stuff or even a misunderstanding. But a few egregious people I do have on a hand written short list so I remember who they are and what they did.
  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 7,158 Arc User
    If they put you on ignore, they didn't see your rant.
    I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
  • sandukutupusandukutupu Member Posts: 2,285 Arc User
    OFF TOPIC: @duckie#5377 I am getting sick and tired of certain people derailing threads to nerf Xuna. Xuna is WAI, if you cannot afford Xuna buy the Warlock she is only 11K in the AH and at rank 30 (blue rarity) she can kill stuff also. I believe many of the invoker class are WAI and the rest are broken.

    Cryptic cares to know from you, if you suspect illicit playing. Report it and they will handle it. Don't come to the forums crying at the players because you want a rare legendary companion.
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  • namelesshero347namelesshero347 Member Posts: 2,109 Arc User
    greywynd said:

    If they put you on ignore, they didn't see your rant.

    The other two were also guildies and at least one of them saw my tirade because that person responded. How dumb can people be when they have to dip into into the public queue to fill missing role for their guild runs and then abuse the random people they come across thinking it won't come back to bite them.
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