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Who is started to think that pallies can get the job done better than clerics and be more tanky? Other healing classes also bring more dps as well. Devout clerics just be messing with divnity. Arbitar clerics are still bottom of the list with damage. Can we at least get some help with divinity management on this class?
I hate to say this, but at least give this class a niche after completely changing how it worked previously. Pallies have divinity but i never see them moan, its the clerics which go through hell while managing it and still getting out dp'sed by other classes that spam buttons with cooldowns. Just ridiculous.
I hate to say this, but at least give this class a niche after completely changing how it worked previously. Pallies have divinity but i never see them moan, its the clerics which go through hell while managing it and still getting out dp'sed by other classes that spam buttons with cooldowns. Just ridiculous.
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Arbiter Clerics are not at the bottom as far as dps goes. Sure they don't compare to Thaum Wizards, but they easily beat out the Fighter, Barb, and Warlock dps paths and are about even par with Rogues and Rangers. They do have a much higher skill curve than most other classes though, so the average Arbiter will in fact be terrible, but the potential for much better dps is there.
Paladins have the best protections
Warlock have the best heal over time.
They each have their own way of shine. If u like it or not is different.
But have u tried healing on a paladin with a party who needs heals? A party that needs heals so often that u cant get time to trigger crits and the big shields? Its horrible, close to impossible and ur dmg will be horrible cause u have to focus on divinity gain all the time.
On the other hand, if ur party is good and doesnt take much dmg. Healing on a cleric will seam kind of pointless since no real dmg is taken. And then u have lots of time to spend on doing dmg. And manage divinity becomes super easy, and u do more daunting than u do bastions.
Tried healing something like CR on a warlock? With a group that wants to just stand still and soak the flares? Thats not really gonna work either.
Each have their strength and weakness. Each do different in different dungeons. Each do different with each party.
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> Arbiter Clerics are not at the bottom as far as dps goes. Sure they don't compare to Thaum Wizards, but they easily beat out the Fighter, Barb, and Warlock dps paths and are about even par with Rogues and Rangers. They do have a much higher skill curve than most other classes though, so the average Arbiter will in fact be terrible, but the potential for much better dps is there.
An Arbiter does not come close to a properly geared melee warden or Assassin. I play all 3 and main the DC.
Paladins have the best protections
Warlock have the best way to kill party slowly.
Now let me move onto my point. The issue is not that we do less damage. The main issue is how terribly hard it is to do maintain your dps with so much effort and still doing less damage. All of us spend 100's of dollars on this game, the huge overhaul to classes was to make it simpler and balance each class. So in that regards, an arbitar cleric should be compared to other dps classes and should not be treated as (OH) he can go healing route. You're defeating the purpose of this huge overhaul. I chose this class for its healing capabilities but whilst playing the content, i fell in love with the arbiter. Now, i would like to swap to devout now and then, only if it wasn't so brain dead. You wait for your allies to get hurt and spam heals and pray and only to be out shined by other classes. So clerics are the middle man, more so like warlocks that belong in neither category.
I can only ask for clerics since i main this class, and i ask that if AC are unchanged then at least give them more damage than other classes for putting in twice the effort in doing so. Remember, AC is just another DPS class, so please don't come with the excuse that wizards are made to do damage. For example, i can't do the damage of AC and heal at the same time. I will have to choose between them. Same with wizards and rogue, they probably have different builds for different purposes. Oh btw, you can heal as AC but kiss your divinity goodbye and your dps and your healing probably will be minuscule. If all of the above still doesn't sit well with anyone, then make divinity management easier so mistakes are more forgiving and keep our damage as it is.
I have seen fighters do good damage and even warlocks but AC beats them but not easily lol. Its again few millions difference. I mean fighters are tanky at the same time so i don't expect them to do more damage. Not so sure about warlocks.
My favourite playstyle is somewhat inefficient - I prefer to play a "ranged" Arbiter, and that means I don't always benefit from CA - the changes in mod 17 to the CA radius will benefit that playstyle significantly. There are also two specific pieces of gear that I am missing, which would have given me a boost - Ebonized raid ring (no luck yet on getting that to drop) and the Envenomed storyteller's journal (missed out on that one, due to a month-long trip.)
So, as far as I am concerned, the Arbiter is in a decent place - and I really enjoy that it is a bit challenging to play well...the need for positioning and divinity management means it is not a "brainless" class.
The only class that does heal over time effectively is a Devout , warlock has one class feature that pops Lingering Sustain and that HAMSTER Warlock Bargain as far as I can see. Wraith Shadow is broken and heals like ... nothing
Here a short random RAQ in elol, 9% HOT
Warlocks Bargain 5.7k average, Lingering Sustain 1.4k average. Warlock power downscaled 111k, Devout 91k
Devout hast got 200mag Hot from Healing Word 500mag, in theory you can renew it endlessly by feat and Persistent Guardian a 500mag HOT (did not proc since noone was in need of a helping hand)
->Devout ... better HOT's
->Soulweaver microheals, no HOT´s... Soul Defiler average 18
-> Soulweavers outgoing damage: 43% selfinduced damage ! - paingiver not that much ahead wow
->Soulweavers incoming damage: 62% selfinduced damage- nearly as much as the tank ! nice
Soul Pact was only casted 2 times, healed 324k, incoming damage 344k ...."ouch" , it dealt more damage to the lock than healing teammates ?? Our only daily that does some healing.
->ah mod 17 is incoming and that daily is still leeching 80% max HP-totaly bugged and useless-, not to dodge and not to avoid, thx cryptic great job, tics 4 times a second instead 1 time
Short question do you run a warlock?
The best "HOT" ingame is by far a 200-300k barrier anyway , who needs HOT´s ?
I stick with you, and would like to add something like
Clerics have the best burst heal adn HOT's
Paladins have the best protections and the best guarantee to skip any boss mechanic and
Warlock have the best way to kill a party slowly, if not they did kill themself in advance
Warlock is at least a Dot class even though in a negative way concerning Soul Pact
As for healing, playing as a healer regardless of the class is now super boring; not tedious but boring. I can't run any content as a healer as I fall asleep. It is worst than playing as a healer in DCUO and I didn't player a healer in that game because I fell asleep do to getting bored as a healer. Though healing in that game; at least I could still do damage.
> As for healing, playing as a healer regardless of the class is now super boring; not tedious but boring. I can't run any content as a healer as I fall asleep. It is worst than playing as a healer in DCUO and I didn't player a healer in that game because I fell asleep do to getting bored as a healer. Though healing in that game; at least I could still do damage.
Run Soulweaver to push your adrenalin maybe feat Life Bind on top and you will have "near death feeling" all time
I have done multitude of calculations with single target AC as aoe damage is subjective to how many targets you hit within a certain period.
AC will not beat rogue and wizard in single target damage. You might beat them in AOE if you play absolutely amazing but that will be very infrequent. This is considering that all classes are equally geared and played at skill ceiling. Do note, the only issue is divinity as the above classes do not have to worry about it at all. If AC's were bound to do less damage because hey, they can just play the healer because the game has few of them, then why give them divinity? I love divinity itself as it separates good players from bad but not make it impossible because lets say, you were lucky to get all sudden verdict procs everytime you used your encounters, the other classes will still beat you in ST. Btw all calcs i have done are per second so you can notice even a slight difference in damage. Right now a nearly fully geared AC will do around 90k damage per second. My Barb friend has already done 92k.
Overall I like the damage dealer changes to the cleric; in fact I wish I would have kept my cleric as my main but I gave everything to my wizard.
The problem I'm having atm is just playing in general. I am bored of MEs, LoMM, older content doesn't interest me as I have nothing really to aim for on my wizard, and the summer fest ends tomorrow and that is the lone thing currently keeping me playing. I guess after the summer fest I will be taking an extended break other than logging into the game for my daily key.
FF has 600mag and 1200 at full pips
SJ has 360 mag and 720 at full pips.
Therefore if you simply target more 2 targets with SJ you will be doing 720 x 2 = 1440mag
With one cast of FF you can do a maximum of 1200mag damage.
All in all, you have to target 2 mobs with SJ to outdamage your single target build. That is a walk in the park.
If you are saying that we beat wiz/rogue in ST dps, then all my calculations were based on all the ST builds. So it is not the matter of what you see.
As for beating other classes I don't think the cleric is top damage dealer; however, they do really well on ST compared to their AoE damage when compared to other classes like a wizard or even a fighter.