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I use it for making roleplay maps for my characters or I have. I don't want those to be destoryed think of the thousands of hours players have put into it to make their quests. There is no excuse to ruin all that hard work please keep it!
I was really looking forward to all the changes and the possibility of the roleplay community recovering. Please don't kill the foundry off!
Leave it so players can build social houses. At least. Social maps and other things!
I was really looking forward to all the changes and the possibility of the roleplay community recovering. Please don't kill the foundry off!
Leave it so players can build social houses. At least. Social maps and other things!
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Part of the games soul is going away with the Foundry. All in the name of more streamlined mechanics.
I hope the overhaul will work great for the game and provide a lot of fun for all players, but Neverwinter will never be the same again.
The solution would have been simple: introduce a random foundry q. In it you would only be in tested non buggy qualifiying foundries and you would get rewards perhaps somewhere between levelling and intermediate dungeons. Every week new content! Other than the initial work needed to update the foundry this should be a feature that keeps people coming back. No developer team can create that much and frankly a great variety of content is what gaming should be about, not constantly doing the same things over. Think of how little content was created for the last mod? Is that what you really want? I know a lot of people that have turned their back out of sheer boredom. With the quality testing and foundry support this would never have happened. And no matter how much you shake up the new mod, you are robbing yourself of the solution to the games core problem.
PLEASE RECONSIDER!
It would be a shame if certain classics like Bill's Tavern and Tired of Being the Hero were no longer around for new players to be able to enjoy.
PANIC!
The Foundry was one of the major reasons we left other games and came here to NW. The ability to make your own storylines and quests was a huge draw and really kept things fun. If the only things we have to go back to is the grind for more rep/campaign stuff... ugh.
I mean, we can keep trying to do our RP in places we already have in-game, but it's far better to be able to create our own settings and NPCs to round out the events and things.
Who cares if there is no new content.. we can make tons of great stuff with the old content...
Foundry is what keeps me playing when I'm bored.
I have played this game since beta, paid for my VIP subscription and given this company hundreds of dollars over the last five years, all for one reason:
Because I'm a part of the roleplay community, and the Foundry allows us to do something no other MMO offers: Create our own stories.
By killing the Foundry, you're not just killing fun little side quests. You're killing a house where a family has lived and created memories. You're killing the chapel where two characters were married. You're killing the orphanage, the temple, the pub, the village, the cemetery memorial to a fallen soldier.
You are killing literally YEARS of stories and memories that we've built up and cherished over the years of playing this game, and you're ripping away the ONE THING that we have that allows us to continue our stories through this medium.
This isn't trivial; it feels absolutely devastating. It's like a punch to the stomach.
Please, please, PLEASE reconsider.
Never mind the time needed to add the missions themselves after they have been tested.
And how can you promise new content every week when you are dependent upon players providing that content (and that content has to be tested and accepted by the devs)?
It is possible that the foundry removal is an issue with WotC. I won't pretend to have inside info, but maybe the brand holder was concerned about the content that could appear in player-created missions and the damage that they think that it could do to their brand.
Maybe it is just as they said in the article, but maybe not.
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The testing for foundry content would be quite simple. You would start witht the content that has positive reviews. Then you would have some trusted beta foundry players to go through them on preview. Then you flag them for the random q. It will take very very little time compared to making something yourself, as you still have all the other stages to worry about then. Plus the driving factor will be novelty for people in q, not campaign progress.
As to content every week, even if it was to change every two weeks or every month it would still be great. There is an impressive backlog of content already. Admittedly not all is necessarily great for a random q system but you can easily fill a year of random q with versions of what has already been created.
Sadly there seems to be nothing we can do and from last night's livestream we were told they tried for about a year to work out ways of keeping the foundry running, but in the end it boiled down to resources. In my opinion they have very badly misjudged the community on this one. In their search for the bottom line they failed to realise that those who played the foundry and those who authored the foundry were some of the most supportive players in the game, from a gameplay point of view and more importantly from a financial point of view. I am one of the whales in STO, with 15,000 hours of play time and 9 fleets with over 1000 active players and a spend point of about £1 per hour (yes, don't remind me how much that is), but I have now made the decision to no longer support STO financially.
Unless this decision is reversed my wallet is now closed as far as Cryptic is concerned and many if not most of my fleet mates are taking the same course of action. Cryptic are run by bean counters now and if they see their bottom line falling sharply after this announcement they may have no choice but to do something about it.
So, if you are a foundry fan in Star Trek Online or Never Winter Nights then I would urge you to continue playing the game, avail yourselves on the free service Cryptic offer, enjoy it as far as you can, but do not support it financially, I truly believe that this is the only language they will understand and thousands of posts here or elsewhere will make little difference.
We have told them unequivocally that we are no longer supporting the game financially and this is the reason why, now it's up to them. Fingers crossed.
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You're not gonna like what I'm gonna say, but I'm actually glad it's gone. It was a hog of resources for the team, and spending so much time/maintenance for a feature that affected... say... 5% of the player base at best (I'm being generous, I suspect it's actually closer to 0,5% nowadays) is just not fair to the vast majority of the player base who was not touching it at all.
I tried making something with the foundry myself, and I played some missions when the game was released, back in 2013, but it was never meant to be. I shall explain why.
Let's be frank for a moment now, shall we? Neverwinter's Foundry was pathetic. Yes, pathetic. In the features (you could not even change the skin of weapons or customize the set of powers of enemies, if you gave an enemy the doomlord's power set, it was stuck with sword + shield, and those two attacks, swing and slam on the ground), in its scripting powers, in how it allowed creators to be creative and create decent content, and it was pathetic in the incentives it gave the player base to actually play those missions. In terms of gameplay, the foundry was already gone in mod 1. (as in, there was really no more reason to play it, as a player).
They didn't even allow a party scaling option, or a party size restriction (like making foundry missions for 5 players or 10 players ONLY).
I have played games that offered tools that were superior in every way, and some of those games are much older than Neverwiner, in fact, the two Neverwinter Nights games (especially the second one, which has a tremendously powerful editor). More recently, even games like Divinity Original Sin 2 allow a much better experience for user content creation.
You will say that those games are single players and not mmorpgs, but that's actually kind of the reason why the foundry was such a failure here.
Single player games can give much more freedom to content creators because they give the creators the opportunity to host those games, to BE the server host (you can understand why this is simply not possible to do here). And, in today's internet, if the game is successful and the content created is very good, they can reach just as many players as a mmorpg can.
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Secondly, the figures for STO are very different. Over one third of all players regularly use the foundry, this equates to almost a million players, and perhaps that's why our forums are on fire and these are not.
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My post was not directed at STO's foundry. These are Neverwinter's forum and I'm talking about it from Neverwinter's perspective.
The resource hog is there, because foundry requires maintenance (featured foundries are not selected automatically, someone from the dev team had to playtest and evaluate them regularly) and dedicated servers to run the missions whenever a player "calls" one (if there are no dedicated server for them, it's even worse, as they would overload the servers used by other players, but I doubt this was the case). Now, that guy (or guys?) from the dev team will either be layed off (more financial resources) or will be moved to do something else (more speed/quality in that aspect of that game). A (very) small portion of the player base will lose from this, but pretty much everyone else only has to gain from it, potentially.
> Hello NWN fans, Matt from the STO forum here. The backlash from this decision is pretty big over on our forums with over 300 replies to the announcement and 5000+ views so far. I'm not a NWN player so I don't know how deeply this affects players over here but I fear, like in STO it cannot be in a positive way.
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> Sadly there seems to be nothing we can do and from last night's livestream we were told they tried for about a year to work out ways of keeping the foundry running, but in the end it boiled down to resources. In my opinion they have very badly misjudged the community on this one. In their search for the bottom line they failed to realise that those who played the foundry and those who authored the foundry were some of the most supportive players in the game, from a gameplay point of view and more importantly from a financial point of view. I am one of the whales in STO, with 15,000 hours of play time and 9 fleets with over 1000 active players and a spend point of about £1 per hour (yes, don't remind me how much that is), but I have now made the decision to no longer support STO financially.
>
> Unless this decision is reversed my wallet is now closed as far as Cryptic is concerned and many if not most of my fleet mates are taking the same course of action. Cryptic are run by bean counters now and if they see their bottom line falling sharply after this announcement they may have no choice but to do something about it.
>
> So, if you are a foundry fan in Star Trek Online or Never Winter Nights then I would urge you to continue playing the game, avail yourselves on the free service Cryptic offer, enjoy it as far as you can, but do not support it financially, I truly believe that this is the only language they will understand and thousands of posts here or elsewhere will make little difference.
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> We have told them unequivocally that we are no longer supporting the game financially and this is the reason why, now it's up to them. Fingers crossed.
This.
> While the sentiment is understandable, and no one wants to see a feature that they loved so much to be removed, you have to realize that this kind of decision was not lightly taken and there's no chance in hell, they're going to revert it after they made such an announcement. They kept a half dead foundry going on for years before giving up on the idea entirely, they wouldn't make such an announcement if the foundry wasn't gone for good. You're simply going to have to accept it and move on.
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> You're not gonna like what I'm gonna say, but I'm actually glad it's gone. It was a hog of resources for the team, and spending so much time/maintenance for a feature that affected... say... 5% of the player base at best (I'm being generous, I suspect it's actually closer to 0,5% nowadays) is just not fair to the vast majority of the player base who was not touching it at all.
>
> I tried making something with the foundry myself, and I played some missions when the game was released, back in 2013, but it was never meant to be. I shall explain why.
> Let's be frank for a moment now, shall we? Neverwinter's Foundry was pathetic. Yes, pathetic. In the features (you could not even change the skin of weapons or customize the set of powers of enemies, if you gave an enemy the doomlord's power set, it was stuck with sword + shield, and those two attacks, swing and slam on the ground), in its scripting powers, in how it allowed creators to be creative and create decent content, and it was pathetic in the incentives it gave the player base to actually play those missions. In terms of gameplay, the foundry was already gone in mod 1. (as in, there was really no more reason to play it, as a player).
> They didn't even allow a party scaling option, or a party size restriction (like making foundry missions for 5 players or 10 players ONLY).
>
> I have played games that offered tools that were superior in every way, and some of those games are much older than Neverwiner, in fact, the two Neverwinter Nights games (especially the second one, which has a tremendously powerful editor). More recently, even games like Divinity Original Sin 2 allow a much better experience for user content creation.
>
> You will say that those games are single players and not mmorpgs, but that's actually kind of the reason why the foundry was such a failure here.
> Single player games can give much more freedom to content creators because they give the creators the opportunity to host those games, to BE the server host (you can understand why this is simply not possible to do here). And, in today's internet, if the game is successful and the content created is very good, they can reach just as many players as a mmorpg can.
Nah. Check the top number of players online back when the foundry was a thing, and now.
A tool like the foundry isnt just about what you can and can not do with the micromanaging of mechanics, its about the story. The NWO foundry will never be like the neverwinter nights toolset, simply because they have to worry about cheating. If pelple didnt care, threads like these would not exist. If the foundry currently affects 5 or 0.5 % of the community, notice that its because the bulk of the foundry players have LEFT after the foundry was first abandoned. - And they took their pve activity AND their wallets with them.
The foundry could have been a big source of income - Had the team the mind to have invested in it while it was hot. This game sells "character slots" on a regular basis, having players pay for their extra character storage. Well ?? Like any foundry user would know, the Foundry ha budget limits, some visible some not, and they are tight. I would gladly * have paid zen for a foundry budget Author boost, and I would promote it and beetch you until you bought one too. And thats just one idea on the fly - Campaign slot limit, adventure slot limit, and zen-only resources all come to mind.
What really killed the foundry ? Doesnt take a genius to guess.
The foundry is a "thing" now.
There are a great many things in this game that can be listed as reasons, or potential reasons, for why the player base now might be smaller than the player base at some point in the past.
The foundry is probably quite low on that list.
I would think that the meta, such as it is, probably accounts for many, many times more players leaving the game or playing less frequently than before than any lack of foundry upkeep.
Please Keep! i started and it not finish.
Whoever built the software foundations for the Foundry is gone from Cryptic and the company didn't invest in proper knowledge management practices to retain the institutional knowledge needed to maintain it.
The current crop of devs lack both the necessary prowess/knowledge with the programming behind the Foundry system and time/resources to rebuild said knowledge.
I'm sure they realize this is going to cost them some hardcore, early adopter customers/gamers/fans.
But the ugly reality is they have no other options that make business sense.