Item Level question

rancidmojo · February 2019

I must be missing something. I'm trying to get my item level up, but I can't seem to find better gear. I've gotten primal gear and the barovia stuff, and I've been running epic dungeons (that my item level, just under 9000 right now) but I get gear that's below what I have now. Is it just luck of the draw, or am I missing something. I see people with better gear all of the time, I just wonder where they are getting it. That and Greater marks of Potency.

kvet · February 2019

Barovian 540 gear is pretty top end. You can get Gallant gear (600 IL) by doing K-Team challenges, but honestly it's not that great for most classes/builds so I'd stick with the stuff you can get from Ravenloft. There's a lot more to IL than just your gear. Upgrade your enchantments (and for godsake don't leave slots empty, an R5 is better than nothing at all). Make sure your companion has full runestones (preferably bondings, but any are better than none) and it has full gear and the gear is fully enchanted. Also, make sure you have 5 mounts (all epic at least, but again, any are better than none) and that they all have insignias in all their slots (the higher the better, but greens are better than none).

Once you have that baseline, you can start optimizing. It's more efficient if you optimize as you go, but that's not always possible due to cost. IL gains happen a little at a time as you upgrade all the various bits and pieces over time - generally you won't get huge bumps... gear is typically the easy part of getting your IL up since it's typically a factor of grinding content- the rest is all based on farming RP and insignias, and the IL increases of those are incrementally small.

kvet · February 2019

Oh, one other thing you could do: Join a guild with higher level guild boons and is willing to help new 70s. Level 20 guild boons adds like 2K IL give or take. If you need a guild suggestion: join the Cloaks

Send me a mail in-game if you're interested.

pitshade · February 2019

Pets grant IL. Make sure you have 5 pets slotted. Try and get ones with good active bonuses.

Mounts grant IL though the Insignia you slot in them. Insignia can grant a lot of stats as well. Epic and Legendary mounts also grant special boosts that grant IL. Legendary mounts grant powers that increase IL as well.

Educate yourself about your class before acquiring these things. Both useful and useless grant the same IL... don't sacrifice effectiveness for IL

Additionally, campaign boons grant 30 IL each. Not much individually but each campaign completed gives 120+ IL. With so many campaigns, it adds up.

Your gear is a chunk of IL but the bulk of it past 9k or so starts coming from the peripheral things, lots of small increases instead of a few big ones.

sgtpostal · February 2019

as said the greater chunk of il after 9k comes from grinding out stuff..... wrk on enchants (highest possible rnk) mount insignias (rare at best is vheap compared to epic but always epic where possible) dont forget boons from campaigns/guilds well as best companion gear u can get for ur summoned comp (epic/ledhendary best) make sure they topped out too wit topest enchants u can get an runestones(bondings are best)
but the better gear ur seein is mostlikely either the 550 gear or the masterwork560-570 gear (+1) the master wrk 560 gear an the +1 versions of it u can either craft or get a friend to craft or buy on ah if u got the ad, the 550 gear comes from running cr (castleravenloft) an useing the marks to buy the gear at vendor in barovia
as for the greater marks of pot... u can get them from lockbozes wonderous bazar an or smetimes if aint mistaken runnin the guantlet missions in dread ring

grogthemagnif · February 2019

Using Rank 14 enchants and Enhancements (for you Main Weapon and Chest Piece) in all 19 slots + 3x Rank 14 Runsstones and 6x Rank 14 Enchants on your main companion's Equipment will bring you higher as will 4 Mythic Artifacts. 4 Legendary Artifact Equipment (Neck, Waist, Main and Off Hand Weapons) help too.

havlocke · February 2019

You can easily break the 9k mark by just getting Primals, decent companions, mounts and throw in level 6 - 8 enchants and runestones. None of this is particularly hard. And does get easier as you get more toons.

The main guts of ILs then come from Boons. And then you start working on upgrading up your gear. This is where it gets a lot grindy. Its about 350k Refinement points to get an artifact up from Purple to Mythic.

BTW its double campaign currency right at the moment. Its a good time to work on your Campaign boons. Dread Ring is dead easy even with borovia 6k or 7k gear. And each boon is essentially the value of a piece of gear.

sandukutupu · February 2019

@rancidmojo#7824 I don't put much into Item Level, I know they used to access certain dungeons. However changing the Item Level can be as simple has having my companion summoned. I could be a 9K and with my companion summoned a 11 or 12K. A lot has to do with how much stuff you place on mounts in insignia. You could have an Item Level of 12K and still have a lousy build or just be an unskilled player. Before mod 6 this was called "Gear Score" and I didn't see its value back then either.

Have fun!

greywynd · February 2019

All item level is is a key to unlock certain content. Nothing more.

mentinmindmaker · February 2019

greywynd said:
All item level is is a key to unlock certain content. Nothing more.

That is really not quite correct. There is a very clear correlation between your IL and the _max_ damage/buffs/healing etc you will be able to do, in short how you can perform _at best_.

There are a lot of things that can make you not perform as good as your IL indicates. Bad builds, wrong use of skills, lag, missing buffage from other party members etc etc all can make you underperform compared to your IL.

But your max performance is to a large degree depending on your IL. With a low IL your best performance will just not be as good as someone at higher IL. For the reasons above you might not be able to reach your best performance, but that is harder to measure.

So yes, IL does not say how well you will perform, but it _does_ say something about what the best performance you can reach is. And since most people do a fair job of playing their character, it is not a bad indicator of what to expect from a character.

rancidmojo · February 2019

kvet said:
Oh, one other thing you could do: Join a guild with higher level guild boons and is willing to help new 70s. Level 20 guild boons adds like 2K IL give or take. If you need a guild suggestion: join the Cloaks Send me a mail in-game if you're interested.

I couldn't find the cloaks on a guild search.

minotaur2857 · February 2019

rancidmojo#7824 said:

kvet said:
Oh, one other thing you could do: Join a guild with higher level guild boons and is willing to help new 70s. Level 20 guild boons adds like 2K IL give or take. If you need a guild suggestion: join the Cloaks Send me a mail in-game if you're interested.
I couldn't find the cloaks on a guild search.

Clue, look at the list of guilds in Kvet's sig to see what they mean by the cloaks

And guild boons add 1500 now, used to be 2K but they removed the IL from the PvP boon

sandukutupu · February 2019

A very good friend of mine pays very little attention to his Item Level, Build, etc.. Yet he seems to do very well in the game. He pointed out to me (long ago) that even the base power numbers are just a load of B.S.. You get 1% for 400 points of power. But they don't want to say, the epic primal raid ring gives +1.95% critical strike and +1.3% recovery. It sounds much better to multiply by 400 and say, +781 Critical Strike and +521 Recovery. Item Level is just more of that same bloated garbage. That ring gives you an IL +500 but how can you score the lower primal pants the same +500, when they give +1,250 Hit Points, +469 Armor Penetration, and +110 Defense. For this to "add up" the Hit Points are a multiple of 690 and only worth +1.81%. Most of my level 70's have HP in the range of 150K or better. At 1.81% that would be closer to 2,700 not 1,250.

I guess at the end of the day, it comes down to the need or want to play content where the NPC will hand your butt to you on a silver platter.

pitmonster · February 2019

mentinmindmaker said:

greywynd said:
All item level is is a key to unlock certain content. Nothing more.
That is really not quite correct. There is a very clear correlation between your IL and the _max_ damage/buffs/healing etc you will be able to do, in short how you can perform _at best_.

There are a lot of things that can make you not perform as good as your IL indicates. Bad builds, wrong use of skills, lag, missing buffage from other party members etc etc all can make you underperform compared to your IL.

But your max performance is to a large degree depending on your IL. With a low IL your best performance will just not be as good as someone at higher IL. For the reasons above you might not be able to reach your best performance, but that is harder to measure.

So yes, IL does not say how well you will perform, but it _does_ say something about what the best performance you can reach is. And since most people do a fair job of playing their character, it is not a bad indicator of what to expect from a character.

I would say Item Level is an indication but only in a ball park.

Example, I have chosen older gear with lower item levels over and over again because the gear set bonuses were better. My main toon typically wears lower level boots because I want/need the movement speed from them over other stats. And my item level will change on load outs as my main companion has the best bonding stones but I might need a different one with lesser ruinstones for a certain loadout.

As greywynd said, unlocking content is really the main reason for item level. The only other time it comes into play is if you are trying to join a group and they are looking over your toon. But frankly I would look at your gear if your item level was in the ball park.

adinosii · February 2019

There have been cases where the set bonus of older, lower-IL gear actually means it outperforms higher IL gear, but in general the correlation between IL and max performance is decent.

However, that assunes the points are distributed in a sensible manner...and quite frequently that us not the case.

greywynd · February 2019

In cases where older gear outperforms newer gear, older gear gets any set bonuses removed.

callumf · February 2019

greywynd said:
In cases where older gear outperforms newer gear, older gear gets any set bonuses removed.

So players using the Dmeon Lord Immortality set don't get this set bonus?

Part of set Demon Lords' Immortality (0/3)

Baphomet's Infernal Talisman
Demogorgon's Girdle of Might
Shard of Orcus' Wand

3 of Set: Deal up to 20% additional damage based on the difference in hit point percentage between the player and target.

gripnir78 · February 2019

@greywynd

Last time there was any old set bonus removed was like 2,5 years ago (high prophet set etc)? There are no set bonuses since SKT so.... its really old story

Meanwhile we got tons of gear that is "old" (not from newest added content) and outperforms newly added stuff. Sure it depends on class but in general lot, if not most of end game players do use gear from Omu/Barovia without even considering to choose newest IL 600 gear from AI cos its...not good at all

Sure if we agree that gear form last 2-3 modules we also count as "new" then almost no1 use old gear any more.

But if we choose that only last MOD relesed gear is "new" (we can do that as there was tons of new gear released with a new MC stuff and armor set IL 600 witch actually can cover all item slots on your toon) then there are tons of old stuff in use.

For me IL is just indicator of time/effort/money one put into this game. Nothing more.
If any1 ever witnessed in lets say CODG 18k+ IL GWF having HALF dps of 14k IL TR then you know what I am talking about. And no such situations are not that rare as you could think.

greywynd · February 2019

gripnir78 said:
@greywynd

Last time there was any old set bonus removed was like 2,5 years ago (high prophet set etc)? There are no set bonuses since SKT so.... its really old story

Meanwhile we got tons of gear that is "old" (not from newest added content) and outperforms newly added stuff. Sure it depends on class but in general lot, if not most of end game players do use gear from Omu/Barovia without even considering to choose newest IL 600 gear from AI cos its...not good at all

Sure if we agree that gear form last 2-3 modules we also count as "new" then almost no1 use old gear any more.

But if we choose that only last MOD relesed gear is "new" (we can do that as there was tons of new gear released with a new MC stuff and armor set IL 600 witch actually can cover all item slots on your toon) then there are tons of old stuff in use.

For me IL is just indicator of time/effort/money one put into this game. Nothing more.
If any1 ever witnessed in lets say CODG 18k+ IL GWF having HALF dps of 14k IL TR then you know what I am talking about. And no such situations are not that rare as you could think.

Doesn't matter when. Doesn't matter what. Precedent has been set. If the issue comes up again and causes problems something will be nerfed.

plasticbat · February 2019

greywynd said:

gripnir78 said:
@greywynd

Last time there was any old set bonus removed was like 2,5 years ago (high prophet set etc)? There are no set bonuses since SKT so.... its really old story

Meanwhile we got tons of gear that is "old" (not from newest added content) and outperforms newly added stuff. Sure it depends on class but in general lot, if not most of end game players do use gear from Omu/Barovia without even considering to choose newest IL 600 gear from AI cos its...not good at all

Sure if we agree that gear form last 2-3 modules we also count as "new" then almost no1 use old gear any more.

But if we choose that only last MOD relesed gear is "new" (we can do that as there was tons of new gear released with a new MC stuff and armor set IL 600 witch actually can cover all item slots on your toon) then there are tons of old stuff in use.

For me IL is just indicator of time/effort/money one put into this game. Nothing more.
If any1 ever witnessed in lets say CODG 18k+ IL GWF having HALF dps of 14k IL TR then you know what I am talking about. And no such situations are not that rare as you could think.

Doesn't matter when. Doesn't matter what. Precedent has been set. If the issue comes up again and causes problems something will be nerfed.

Agree.
Some set bonus was totally removed. e.g. pre-mod 6 sets.
Some set bonus was nerf'ed. e.g. eLoL set.

gripnir78 · February 2019

So.... why Fured Kuno and other itmes was not nerfed? They wastly out perform lot of new gear?
I belive devs consider them as still fresh

greywynd · February 2019

What problems are they causing?

Item Level question

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