Profession Speed Issue

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• vordayn Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,283 Arc User

  November 2018 edited November 2018

  Hmm, I think it increases the time taken by another formula.
  
  The speed increases or decreases the base amount it would take to produce the item, and is not a straight multiplication of time.
  
  So for example, if Drake leather takes 3 hours to produce, -75% speed will take: [3 hours]/[(100-75/100)] = 12 hours. +75% speed will take [3 hours]/[(100+75)/100] = 1 hr 42 min

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• geno82 Member Posts: 80 Arc User

  November 2018

  > @vordayn said:
  > Hmm, that's gonna be ages.
  
  Right but 75% not *4 .. 12h are 300%more

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• vordayn Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,283 Arc User

  November 2018 edited November 2018

  geno82 said:

  > @vordayn said:
  
  > Hmm, that's gonna be ages.
  
  
  
  Right but 75% not *4 .. 12h are 300%more

  Calculated it above. It was similar to how epic tools workers affected speed in the previous profession system.
  
  It seems to affect how quickly the Artisan works, so a -75% speed artisan only works at 25% of the total speed of a 0% Artisan, hence taking 4 times as long.
  
  In other words, the speed ability affects the speed at which the artisan works.

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• greywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 7,158 Arc User

  November 2018

  Fire the leatherworker. He wants too much money for his lack of efforts.

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• vordayn Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,283 Arc User

  November 2018 edited November 2018

  greywynd said:

  Fire the leatherworker. He wants too much money for his lack of efforts.

  The only good thing about this leatherworker is that it charges less due to the -25% commission modifier. But there will be better leatherworkers out there.
  
  The speed ability does not matter if you use morale, so I'd only keep him if you needed to do a task with morale, or if the time to make the item did not matter that much to you.

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• lordtweety

  lordtweety#3604

  Member Posts: 275 Arc User

  November 2018

  If

  vordayn said:

  Hmm, I think it increases the time taken by another formula.
  
  The speed increases or decreases the base amount it would take to produce the item, and is not a straight multiplication of time.
  
  So for example, if Drake leather takes 3 hours to produce, -75% speed will take: [3 hours]/[(100-75/100)] = 12 hours. +75% speed will take [3 hours]/[(100+75)/100] = 1 hr 42 min

  If this is the case - which it could well be - stating the value is -75% is totally misleading. Because the time factor listed is 3 Hours. And an extra 75% is what you expect it to be. Because no where does it say -75% of ....anything at all actually. It also doesn't say they will work at 25% the speed of a normal artisan, which would be closer to the truth.

  vordayn said:

  
  
  The only good thing about this leatherworker is that it charges less due to the -25% commission modifier. But there will be better leatherworkers out there.
  
  The speed ability does not matter if you use morale, so I'd only keep him if you needed to do a task with morale, or if the time to make the item did not matter that much to you.

  This is true and using morale was where I noticed the 12Hr thing. Regarding other Leatherworkers, there is only 1 that gives a -75 commission cost and only 1 with -50% commission cost. Of the 6 with -25% commission, this one does have the worst time factor.

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• dnosrc Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 122 Arc User

  November 2018

  Speed means workload per time.
  With -75% speed the artisan can only do 1/4th of the workload in the same time.
  So it increases the time taken for the full workload to 4 times the original time.
  
  Tbh they should have used time-modifiers directly. Still that would mean higher modifiers = worse. This would also mislead some people.

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• plasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,463 Arc User

  November 2018 edited November 2018

  lordtweety#3604 said:

  If

  vordayn said:

  Hmm, I think it increases the time taken by another formula.
  
  The speed increases or decreases the base amount it would take to produce the item, and is not a straight multiplication of time.
  
  So for example, if Drake leather takes 3 hours to produce, -75% speed will take: [3 hours]/[(100-75/100)] = 12 hours. +75% speed will take [3 hours]/[(100+75)/100] = 1 hr 42 min

  If this is the case - which it could well be - stating the value is -75% is totally misleading. Because the time factor listed is 3 Hours. And an extra 75% is what you expect it to be. Because no where does it say -75% of ....anything at all actually. It also doesn't say they will work at 25% the speed of a normal artisan, which would be closer to the truth.
  

  It is not misleading. The unit here is about speed and not time.
  It is:
  Profession: +XY% speed
  and not:
  Profession: +XY% time
  
  Speed is not time. Speed affects time.
  Normally, a base value without modifier usually means 100%.
  
  If you double the speed, you will spend half the time to do things.
  -> If the speed is (100%) +100%, time will be 50%.
  
  If you half the speed, you will spend double the time to do things.
  -> If the speed is (100%) - 50%, time will double.
  
  

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