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Guardian Fighter changes needs some nerfing
grimah
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Now that you fixed Jagged Blades for AoE it's through the aoe damage out of whack. It should atleast be toned down from 100%/200%/300%/400%/500% to 50%/100%/150%/200%/250%.
And also Griffon's Wrath is just absurd in design, 3 full encounters with the cooldown of one? It would be nicely balanced if it functioned the same as before with 3 charges but having cooldown reduction applying to the charges (minus DC cooldown reduction feat). Reducing the damage is not a solution, as it would just make it a clunky encounter easily replaceable with others (Commander strike, Anvil) so I don't see another way without reverting it to charges, or re-work the entire encounter.
As much fun as it is, I can clear trash easier than other DPS classes right now, and our single target is also buffed due to wrath's cooldown change, and we was fine with our single target damage before.
If anyone disagrees with me, post your reasoning and suggestions rather than whine.
Would be nice if Tactician and Protection could be buffed whilst you are at it.
And also Griffon's Wrath is just absurd in design, 3 full encounters with the cooldown of one? It would be nicely balanced if it functioned the same as before with 3 charges but having cooldown reduction applying to the charges (minus DC cooldown reduction feat). Reducing the damage is not a solution, as it would just make it a clunky encounter easily replaceable with others (Commander strike, Anvil) so I don't see another way without reverting it to charges, or re-work the entire encounter.
As much fun as it is, I can clear trash easier than other DPS classes right now, and our single target is also buffed due to wrath's cooldown change, and we was fine with our single target damage before.
If anyone disagrees with me, post your reasoning and suggestions rather than whine.
Would be nice if Tactician and Protection could be buffed whilst you are at it.
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Could the devs please fix it before Mod 16?
(I don't know how to do it and do not feel like putting in the effort on re-producing it for bug reporting reasons.)
There's videos up for the infinite Griffon's Wrath "feature" as well. PvP is a landmine again. One rotation with the press of one Flourish, critically hit proccing Jagged Blades. While you are being affected by flourish, you are constantly controlled. Then follow it up with infinite Griffon's Wrath if by (little) chance they are still alive.
At first I thought that the reason why GFs were dominating the PvP Leaderboard was because of the TR nerfs (you know, remove one predator, and another one takes it place), but no, there were actual really good buffs in place made for Mod 15!
I don't expect any changes made until near mod 16, what with the glacial pace of changes being made. Ah well, just know that while you can "clear trash easier than other DPS classes right now", that same 'trash' is pretty much any other class in PvP as well.
Did u mean: needs some love ❤?
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Guardian Fighter: Griffon's Wrath can no longer be used infinitely."
So they fix the bug. If they wanna balance it? Who knows.
I think that dps GF is a playstyle that very few in this game can utilise properly (I'm definitely not one of them) and because of the conqueror hypetrain and one rotation bosses videos, most of the community is playing DPS GF cause they want the fame too.
While I don't mind GF doing some dps, I would happily see some nerfs for the Conqueror path and buffs for the both Protector and Tactician.
I just hope the new changes don't take that away from the class. It's rare to find such gameplay in an MMO.
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Also timing your swings and stuff so you can avoid the big red splats.
And being the "tank" and getting all the criticism in low DPS parties because you can't keep everyone alive and protected. Frankly looking back I wish I had chosen a proper tank class or a DPS class
I have never been dps GF. I don't spec for it; I don't run it. But others enjoy it. From the setup, it requires specific choices of gear and feats to max out, choices which most players will not take the time to grind out.
If they fix Griffon's infinite (and it looks like they have), and break nothing else, I will be satisfied until the GF gets better attention on making the Protector line and the Tactician line more viable.
I had said in the GF preview thread that the changes to GF would increase some of its dps, and I was laughed out of the thread. The reason why is that the change to jagged blades' crit on AoEs will increase damage for mobs, whereas specced dps GFs usually test on single target dummies (check the videos). This is why I always do my own testing under conditions that are more than a single dummy (or three or four) in a room. The changes to jagged blades will help hybrid Conq or hybrid Tacticians who run KV and run wide AoEs for aggro do a bit more dps in large mobs. It does not really help on single target bosses, but that is why I am against the OP asking for a nerf to the jagged blades AoE affect. It will not change how specced dps GFs run, but it might affect how other GF builds (especially the lower to mid range TIL GFs) help to hold aggro and do some dps through crit and jagged blades. And in hardcore dungeon runs where the choice is minimal TIL, such a boost will be welcomed. If you ask to nerf it by 50%, and you go min TIL run, you will find the ability to burn mobs even harder, the dungeon run much longer, etc. Leave the choice as it is, and let non dps GFs who setup for mobs do a bit more dps and fulfill their aggro/tank role.
In my dungeon runs where I setup as Hybrid Conqueror, I usually find my dps output in mobs higher than other dps (below 16k TIL), but on single boss targets, they out dps. In dungeon runs where I setup as Hybrid Tactician, I find my dps output helps to keep aggro against the damage or aggro of higher dps players (like maxed GWF, TR, SW, and even HR) or buffers (OP/DC) with appropriate marks and such.
I care not about Griffons Wrath since I rarely use it. It does not fit my desired rotation, not even for proccing Crushing Pin. So, nerf it, buff it, I don't care.
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Why: Except by ITF, all things a GF can do, an OP do better, much better !
From there, they will only be a type of "playable npc's" holdind just some fancy shield without any use other than using Into the Fray and Commander's Strike. Is that what you want? Turning a FIGHTER class into a dead class just like the HR's in module 5 in all environments for many modules ?
Seriously talking, why GF's have high damage ?
Simple answer: They're a FIGHTER CLASS TOO, just like GWF's. GF's and GWF's are FIGHTERS ! The main difference compared to GWF's: Shield = Less attack, more defense and more control, just like their role. Any fighter class in any game aren't suppose to do mid-low damage.
Accept that, or learn again how to play with your class properly !
Period.
I'm a conqueror tank. As you said guardian fighter buff is like a bad OP. And I agree, it needs buffing. If you look at my previous posts I do mention this.
Right now I play as a DPS + tank + soft buff (itf/crushing pin only) which is great! You can carry almost any group through any dungeon, since you can heal yourself, kill everything and also tank the bosses. The problem is I'm not full DPS, I have around 260k hp, DR cap with survivor wraps on. But I'm surpassing other classes in things they should be doing better, whilst ALSO being able to tank the boss, it's pretty much two in one almost.
I'm just asking for a slight tone down to bring it back in line a bit.
The griffon's wrath is just because I think the new version is clunky as hell. It should at least display the charges you have. It just leaves too much in the dark (charges, cooldown timer before full refresh and sometimes doesn't show going on cooldown) I just think it's unrefined.
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My suggestion would be to make raising shield apply a 1-2 second buff to the GF, and if you get hit while you have that buff, you get a bonus for 20 seconds. This buff could have 5 second ICD to prevent people from just pressing shift up and down.
The bonus you get can depend on the capstone you take. 20% more damage for conqueror, 20% more AP gain for party from tactician, and 10% less damage taken for the party for Protector.
As for nerfing GF dps, all that needs to be done is to cut KC damage in half.
@Devs. Please break HRs next mod, I want to see page one completely green.