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baronstragen · November 2017

I have ran Kessel's retreat with both a T.Fey and T.Vorpal. Both on MoF CW with Swath and CP enabled. Both 3 mob sets. Both same powers. Why is the Fey not more Effective than Vorpal (other than a few percent?) I appreciate any input, thx.
https://s7.postimg.org/7tv0ullxn/Test.jpg

rjc9000 · November 2017

Fey and Vorpal are mostly the same, as Fey generally ends up being better than Vorpal by a few small % (I would say 3-5% most of the time, but I don't want to be quoted on that because that was a rough estimate). The exception goes to the high Crit Severity/Combat Advantage cases, such a Combat HR.

The reason why many CWs reccomend Fey over CW because Vorpal only affects Crit damage, whereas Fey affects all of your damage. A large majority of SS DPS doesn't Crit (Storm Spell, Aura of Courage, edit: removed because they don't Crit, Abyss, Assailant).

Sure, Smoulder can Crit and benefits from Vorpal, but who actually sings the praises of Smoulder DPS?

baronstragen · November 2017

I do. Thanks @rjc9000

mamalion1234 · November 2017

As you can see in his screenshot creeping frost and warped magics can critical.

Also wizard that focus on inteligence-charisma they have already high combat advantage damage and + some severity from other sources make feytouched far better option for both paragons.
Feytouched also is a buff.

thefabricant · November 2017

baronstragen said:
I do. Thanks @rjc9000

Why? Even the feytouched proc is doing more damage than it. Going by this log, it is a lot more effective than it, not slightly more effective. You are gaining a 1/0.88=13.6% dps boost from the proc on top of a 20% boost from the buff, that makes it better than vorpal would be assuming optimal conditions for vorp (which would be 28%). If you look at the dps fey is also a lot more effective in this log, however using kr as an indicator is terrible.

artifleur · November 2017

baronstragen said:
I have ran Kessel's retreat with both a T.Fey and T.Vorpal. Both on MoF CW with Swath and CP enabled. Both 3 mob sets. Both same powers. Why is the Fey not more Effective than Vorpal (other than a few percent?) I appreciate any input, thx.
https://s7.postimg.org/7tv0ullxn/Test.jpg

I wonder which values you were looking at? If the calculated DPS is reliable, not sure about that, with feytouched you dealt 189.5/155.2-1=22% more damage than with vorpal. That's not a few percents.

However, I'm surprised by the 12% of damage done by feytouched weapon. You probably only were fighting mobs during this time. Against a boss I would expect it to turn into 2 or 3% at max.

micky1p00 · November 2017

baronstragen said:
I have ran Kessel's retreat with both a T.Fey and T.Vorpal. Both on MoF CW with Swath and CP enabled. Both 3 mob sets. Both same powers. Why is the Fey not more Effective than Vorpal (other than a few percent?) I appreciate any input, thx.
https://s7.postimg.org/7tv0ullxn/Test.jpg

If you ask about the effectiveness column, then fey is a buff not a debuff. It shown as part of the base damage (the one in parenthesis ) in the log. And not counted towards effectiveness.

armadeonx · December 2017

But is a T. Feytouched better for CW than the newly adjusted T. Lightning..?

mebengalsfan · December 2017

armadeonx said:
But is a T. Feytouched better for CW than the newly adjusted T. Lightning..?

Maybe after the October bug fix items are released, if they have not been released yet.

jano · December 2017

What was done to T.Lightning?

jano · December 2017

What was done to T.Lightning?

armadeonx · December 2017

Reduction in the number of lightning procs from certain types of powers

niadan · December 2017

I may be wrong but I think the consensus is still that Feytouched is better on single target/
bosses and lightning is still better on aoe/trash. By how much for specific class/builds is the question.

mebengalsfan · December 2017

I saved enough AD to buy a flaming enchantment. I know it is not BiS but I like how it looks when equipped on my CW MoF. I'm all about fire. I ride a Nightmare, use a flaming enchantment, have a Fire Archon as my summoned, and my gear is all red. So yeah, I have a theme with my CW.

Where does it rank with Fey, Vorpal, Dread, etc... I don't care as I know down the road the devs will adjust things once again and what once was powerful today will be weak and the weak item will become BiS.

Fey is BiS for 3 or less enemies. Lighting is BiS when there are 4 or more enemies.

I like flaming as it sits right between the two without being strong on a single target or multi target.

rjc9000 · December 2017

mebengalsfan#9264 said:
I saved enough AD to buy a flaming enchantment. I know it is not BiS but I like how it looks when equipped on my CW MoF. I'm all about fire. I ride a Nightmare, use a flaming enchantment, have a Fire Archon as my summoned, and my gear is all red. So yeah, I have a theme with my CW.

Where does it rank with Fey, Vorpal, Dread, etc... I don't care as I know down the road the devs will adjust things once again and what once was powerful today will be weak and the weak item will become BiS.

Fey is BiS for 3 or less enemies. Lighting is BiS when there are 4 or more enemies.

I like flaming as it sits right between the two without being strong on a single target or multi target.

Where the hell did you pull the number 3?

Lightning wins as long as you're facing multiple targets due to Lightning's proc amounts scaling with number of targets hit.

The "3 enemies" in the Fey tooltip only applies to making enemies deal less damage. It has nothing to do with the Fey damage buff, which is the important part of Feytouched.

mebengalsfan · December 2017

rjc9000 said:

mebengalsfan#9264 said:
I saved enough AD to buy a flaming enchantment. I know it is not BiS but I like how it looks when equipped on my CW MoF. I'm all about fire. I ride a Nightmare, use a flaming enchantment, have a Fire Archon as my summoned, and my gear is all red. So yeah, I have a theme with my CW.

Where does it rank with Fey, Vorpal, Dread, etc... I don't care as I know down the road the devs will adjust things once again and what once was powerful today will be weak and the weak item will become BiS.

Fey is BiS for 3 or less enemies. Lighting is BiS when there are 4 or more enemies.

I like flaming as it sits right between the two without being strong on a single target or multi target.
Where the hell did you pull the number 3?

Lightning wins as long as you're facing multiple targets due to Lightning's proc amounts scaling with number of targets hit.

The "3 enemies" in the Fey tooltip only applies to making enemies deal less damage. It has nothing to do with the Fey damage buff, which is the important part of Feytouched.

My bad I missed read the tool tip.

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