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Heart of the red dragon

copperhead701copperhead701 Member Posts: 3 Arc User
in Bug Reports (PC)
I cannot use the Heart of the red dragon as a feeder into another artifact. Need help.

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  • theperfect1352theperfect1352 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    Dragon heart artifacts can't be used as feeders. I learnt it the hard way like you ;p.
  • pitshadepitshade Member Posts: 5,665 Arc User
    They were IIRC designed only to be included in Dragonborn pack, where they are a reclaimable Epic level artifact. Due to this, they can't be used as feeders. I assume yours came form a dungeon chest aftef the loor changes, either directly to you or via the Auction House. When they were added to the loot tables, the Devs neglected to change the tag on them meaning that yours is incorrectly flagged. Best bet would probably be to contact @nitocris83 and hope she can get it changed. It seems unlikely you will get to use it this event, even if a fix ever comes. TBH I doubt that they would retroactively change existing artifacts, although CS couod surely tell who has the pack and who doesn't.
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  • korusenseikorusensei Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14 Arc User
    copperhead701 said:

    I cannot use the Heart of the red dragon as a feeder into another artifact. Need help.

    My wife and I made the same mistake... I REALLY hope that something can be done, like a patch or hotfix that can adjust these items to be allowed as refinement fodder.

    It's ruined our entire weekend after my wife dumped all her saved refinement into these artifacts to be used to feed her other ones.
  • preechr#2215 preechr
    preechr#2215
         Member Posts: 488 Arc User
    A guild-mate (not a dragonborn, so unfamiliar) also did this over the weekend... and given that this was the LAST rp event, it was particularly painful for a player that has saved up as much RP as possible in order to get his/her artifacts leveled up

    It would be a really big show of understanding to help those that made such an innocent but kinda tragic mistake
  • bawkrubawkru Member Posts: 60 Arc User
    ya i gotten 2 from end dungeon cases i cant use at all they are bound to account and cant use as feeders just wasted stuff laying around ...... good thing is new RP change will fix this slight do to u can convert it to RP probably but sense it comes in a pack i bet it will be fixed also or needs to be removed from the pack because typing this out i see a future on going problem
  • w00trandomsnoobiw00trandomsnoobi Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 387 Arc User
    bawkru said:

    good thing is new RP change will fix this slight do to u can convert it to RP probably

    Can you?

  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 7,150 Arc User
    Heart of the Red Dragon was never intended to be allowed use as a feeder. Tooltip was supposed to be changed to show this.
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  • minotaur2857minotaur2857 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,141 Arc User
    greywynd said:

    Heart of the Red Dragon was never intended to be allowed use as a feeder. Tooltip was supposed to be changed to show this.

    It WAS changed at one point, are people saying some have slipped through the net or the change has disappeared ?
  • w00trandomsnoobiw00trandomsnoobi Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 387 Arc User
    minotaur2857 said:


    It WAS changed at one point, are people saying some have slipped through the net or the change has disappeared ?

    It's there on the tooltip, at least on the ones in AH.
  • preechr#2215 preechr
    preechr#2215
         Member Posts: 488 Arc User
    greywynd said:

    Heart of the Red Dragon was never intended to be allowed use as a feeder. Tooltip was supposed to be changed to show this.

    Sure, it is, and its also the only artifact in the game like that, so to someone that doesn't own the Dragonborn Pack, its completely unexpected

    Many new players get surprised that their class sigils are marked like that as well after having thrown all the RP they could find while leveling up into theirs only to realize later its stats don't fit the build they want

    Some sigils are fine for end-game, but many of them and pretty much every Heart of the Red Dragon is sitting in a bank somewhere right now with a lot of unsuable RP in them

    It's pretty safe to say that all of these sigils and HotRD artifacts would have been fed into something else during one of the previous 2xRP events, so I think it would be fair to make them worth double RP and let them be broken down in the new system

    Sure, this would allow players to fill up all the class sigils they have available to them with RP and get twice the value, but there is a limit to how many class sigils anyone could have, and this could be considered a bonus for making one alt of every class (we are getting more alt friendly, right?)

    From the beginning, it seems that unbound HotRD artifacts should have had that flag removed, so if that were done now, it seems like there really wouldn't anything "abusable" in this change, and it would be a nice boon for alts and purchasers of the Dragonborn Pack
  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 7,150 Arc User
    preechr#2215 said:


    Sure, it is, and its also the only artifact in the game like that, so to someone that doesn't own the Dragonborn Pack, its completely unexpected

    Event artifacts also can't be used as feeders.
    I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
  • oldbaldyoneoldbaldyone Member Posts: 1,840 Arc User
    Seems to me this could be easily resolved. Instead of flagging them as "Can not be used as feeder", flag the item so that only the RP inside transfers. No matching bonus for same type or slot bonus.

    This prevents them from being beneficial for the "feeder" process and allows the RP to be recovered (partially).

    Anyways, go to preview and see if they are able to be converted to RP points. I see no reason at all why they shouldn't be able to as the entire point of this protection is voided.
  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 7,150 Arc User
    Wonder how that will play out with the class sigils.
    I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
  • minotaur2857minotaur2857 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,141 Arc User
    greywynd said:

    Wonder how that will play out with the class sigils.

    Now there will be no more double RP, simply only allowing them to be converted to RP if purple or better would solve all the issues.
  • oldbaldyoneoldbaldyone Member Posts: 1,840 Arc User
    I meant to test this last night and didn't. I'll try if I get time tonight. I assume that all sigils and artis will be able to be converted to RP since there is no point after the 24th in stopping this.

    @terramak ?
  • nitocris83nitocris83 Member, Cryptic Developer, Administrator Posts: 4,498 Cryptic Developer
    Artifacts in general can convert to RP. The Heart of the Red Dragon is a special type of artifact that can be reclaimed so it will not convert. We can look at exploring alternatives for these reclaimable items but that is a larger project. Class sigils don't convert.
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  • arcanjo86arcanjo86 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,093 Arc User
    all i know is the red one cant be converted, the other ones can (feed some that drop from dungeons and skirmishs) , until mod 12b its worth it.
  • minotaur2857minotaur2857 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,141 Arc User
    nitocris83 said:

    Artifacts in general can convert to RP. The Heart of the Red Dragon is a special type of artifact that can be reclaimed so it will not convert. We can look at exploring alternatives for these reclaimable items but that is a larger project. Class sigils don't convert.

    @nitocris83 it's an easy fix, you've done this by accident enough times to cause us to have to keep multiple stacks of identical items (like pres wards bound account/unbound I think) where instead of using the old item number for an existing item, you create a new one so they don't stack. Just create a new item with the same picture and a different tooltip for the ones that should be feedable.

    With the demise of the efficacy of feeders, there is no reason you shouldn't be able to reclaim at least the refinement points out of class sigils post the refinement changes.

  • frozenfirevrfrozenfirevr Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,475 Community Moderator
    nitocris83 said:

    Artifacts in general can convert to RP. The Heart of the Red Dragon is a special type of artifact that can be reclaimed so it will not convert. We can look at exploring alternatives for these reclaimable items but that is a larger project. Class sigils don't convert.

    Life would be much easier if you just made the RP value of a base artifact 0... None of these issues would arise then.
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  • lowjohnlowjohn Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,061 Arc User
    frozenfirevr said:

    nitocris83 said:

    Artifacts in general can convert to RP. The Heart of the Red Dragon is a special type of artifact that can be reclaimed so it will not convert. We can look at exploring alternatives for these reclaimable items but that is a larger project. Class sigils don't convert.

    Life would be much easier if you just made the RP value of a base artifact 0... None of these issues would arise then.
    But then
    #1: any artifact you don't want to use would be worthless, a complete waste of a drop.
    #2: The Heart of the Red Dragon would still be a problem because it's reclaimable at purple - unless you want the purple ones to reclaim for zero, in which case people would get nothing from the RP they added to a green (dropped) Heart until it was past purple?
  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,401 Arc User
    edited October 2017
    Is there actually a green heart?
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  • preechr#2215 preechr
    preechr#2215
         Member Posts: 488 Arc User
    yep
  • oldbaldyoneoldbaldyone Member Posts: 1,840 Arc User
    nitocris83 said:

    Artifacts in general can convert to RP. The Heart of the Red Dragon is a special type of artifact that can be reclaimed so it will not convert. We can look at exploring alternatives for these reclaimable items but that is a larger project. Class sigils don't convert.

    I can't see how adjusting the RP value of these items to be worth 0 RP being that large of a project. But thanks for acknowledging. This has been a pain point since they were added.

    The Heart should honestly be removed from the loot table, or a new item with identical bonuses created (this would probably make things worse though).
  • artifleurartifleur Member Posts: 642 Arc User
    edited October 2017
    lowjohn said:

    frozenfirevr said:

    nitocris83 said:

    Artifacts in general can convert to RP. The Heart of the Red Dragon is a special type of artifact that can be reclaimed so it will not convert. We can look at exploring alternatives for these reclaimable items but that is a larger project. Class sigils don't convert.

    Life would be much easier if you just made the RP value of a base artifact 0... None of these issues would arise then.
    But then
    #1: any artifact you don't want to use would be worthless, a complete waste of a drop.
    #2: The Heart of the Red Dragon would still be a problem because it's reclaimable at purple - unless you want the purple ones to reclaim for zero, in which case people would get nothing from the RP they added to a green (dropped) Heart until it was past purple?
    #1: A rank 1 artifact is worth 150 RP (mod12b). To me 150 or 0 is exactly the same. Substracting 150 from the RP-value of articfacts at all ranks shouldn't take too long and would at least fix class sigils.

    #2: This one is trickier. Maybe remove the "can't be turned into RP" tag from all red dragon hearts then add it back to any freshly reclaimed heart. The reclaimed ones must be bound to character so there's no risk of them ending up on the AH and confusing people.
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