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Mod 12 PVP is a Joke
architect40
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Thanks for the changes.... Mod 12 pvp is a frickin' joke. Multiple DCs and OPs on everyteam. BIS HR can't even kill 10k DC. OPs dealing a ton of damage.
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just spent hours waiting in Q as my buffs and patience wore to 0
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Ofcourse maybe minor changed to certain classes but the damage of hr, gf and tr are fine it brings a dynamic into the game, remove that damage and youll have silly cc games 24/7 and then people complain about askin for a cc nerf even then so, people will start about healings etc. Certain classes like Warlock and GWF just need a bit better tweak in their damage to compete better with the rest
(Edit ; xbox )
Take away tons of boons and gear, try to balance arround it.
It is simply impossible to get this in line by one person, you needed an armada of develloper to fix it only for a dead branch of this game.
Combat HR/TR damage pre mod 12 is not fine (especially considering their survability is off the charts) but once we get it, should be at a reasonable level. I do agree all classes should have good clearing power though, like in a way that they can run different rotations without lossing a lot of dps. Pvp needs more deaths and less cc for sure. Problem is, people want their class to be able to deal massive dps and to have extremely high survability so as long as that's the case pvp will continue to be as it is now (I find it amusing dps classes complaining about GF/OP damage yet they run with both dps and tanking stats such as deflect through the roof, talk about double standard). If devs tweaked classes so they all can clear some of the others then people would be more likely to rock dps builds rather than cc ones.
I guess most of you people can agree that if regardless of class we could make a dps build and hop on domintation to kill and to be killed that'd be something good for the pvp= make all classes able to clear others (like, some classes should be a hard counter to others and for this there should be no exceptions), nerf survability so no one can abuse stuff that helps them stay alive indefinitely.
AP/stamina drains need to be nerfed to uselessness or flat out removed from the game.
Yo people, pvp= player vs player= kill/die. All classes specced with their highest (or only) dps paragon tree should be able to send other players to valhalla and likewise if failing to use thier class mechanics (SW and GWF need some tweaks regarding shadowslip/sprint and/or unstoppable though) then being sent to the campfire is what should happen, no one should be exempt from this.
> You cant balance classes with piercing damage in PVP. They will try and it will never be right.
You can't balance pvp with current strongholds buff's or mount insignias
Aelan Icebleed (CW)
And that exactly is the danger of complaints on the forums. Nerf x class buff my class is not how balance is achieved. As someone said earlier in the thread, at the moment tank classes do too much damage and dps classes are too tanky.
Balance is achieved by looking at all sides of the equation not just one. Non tank classes are way too tanky at present. Astral shield was just one of those powers that needed adjustment. Survivability for HR and TR need adjusting along with GF and OP damage adjustments if this every happens. Wilds medicine and 100% deflect is not ok. Impossible to catch granting near damage immunity and cc immunity with near 100% uptime is not ok. GWFs with high hp pools and high lifesteal getting full health back in a few swings is not ok. Need I continue?
Bottom line a non-tank class should never have better damage mitigation than a pure tank class, but that is what we have at present. If you want to be a glass cannon that's ok, but a titanium one is not.
Edit: and with the changes and upcoming changes I agreed the empowered AS nerf did need to happen before someone goes there...
just like some people get selfish and only want class balance / fixes for thier class and fail to see the big picture ...
here is the big picture how I see and how i thiink the devs / people running the game like a business see it
premises
REMOVE ALL BOONS AND MOUNTS FROM PVP ??
data collection from players..
average guild level in game is what 10-12?
average player item level is what 8-12k?
average cost of a cheap 2 insignia bonus mount ? 50k ads
average cost of a cheap blue or green insignia ? 1k-20k ads
likely hood that some one has at least 1 or 2 purple mounts ?
inginias and packs dropping like water even purple ones are cheap
events/ coupon codes that give away mounts
players ability to transfer / share resources between characters notibily equipment and bound to account gear
tenacity is being removed form gear next mod ....no barrier to entry
crit works better in pvp next mods pve specs with high crit can threaten vet players (with less adjustments of enchants and such )
armor pen is high needed in pve .. therefore automatically they will have a moderate amount for pvp
powers points/ specs that are available cheap on the zen market so no excuses about limited points and power selection
potions/ run away power sources being limited and adjusted for balance
new maps being added (stated in dev stream)
to get an average geared player in pvp with the average population level should be achievable and not a balance issue for some/ no need to remove mounts / strongholds is the premise for some
provided proper rewards incentive and scene of fairness is restored
well/lesser geared people with better/worse stuff would / /should not be facing maxed out guys with proper matchmaking / leaderboard fix
not really a huge gear gap in average population and what they can grind and achive.. they just need to be separated from the pvp Elites
also we dont want pveers complaining yet again how pvp broke or effected their pve and that they cant use their stronghold boons that they worked for blah blah
or have a diminishing return graph as proposed so said boons are less pronounced / less effective
maybe just like healing depression 50% in pvp boons / mount stats bonus should be half
the devs also take into account average player level items wealth etc when accounting for things
also who is likely to be more effected/ impacted or complain ....
just to play devils advocate
should pvp really be balanced for a 4k item level guy in greens with no boons no mounts and no guild
that is just starting the game ? will this player make a meaningful impact to matches or their bottom line ?
what is the cost benefit analysis of ignoring / not catering to these players / complainers
or having different modes with and without mounts bonuses / barebones pvp
also diminishing the validity of feedback on the forums
(small sample size ) from players and simply discounts that as a minority opinion in the population as well ...most hamsters in the system are happy satisfied and fine where they are .. ignorance is bliss
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In pvp, anyone who has crazy dps such as gf/hr/tr/sw/gwf should be especially killed and by that i mean it shouldn't be tanky af lolol.
All classes should be balanced like SW.
Choose Soulbinder to be tank but have low dps or Hellbringer for high dps but be less tanky.
As it already been mentioned here somewhere... You can't be both dps and tank !!
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@andre#8369
DCs have ridiculous healing in pvp, especially self healing. They are not meant to be a tank class, they are meant to be a buff/support class. Anyone that thinks otherwise has gotten so used to relying on one broken encounter power, that they have no idea how useful all the other powers are. Break the spirit, sunburst, and bastion are all great powers that can be used in PvP fully empowered for both healing buffing, and support. Healing from bastion is extremely high if fully empowered, and stacks up gift of faith as well. Sunburst is great for cc on a node as a knock back. Break the spirit gives anyone nearby a 30 percent damage increase if fully empowered and lowers the damage of an attacker. No class should be able to survive 3 or 4 v 1 versus equally skilled and geared players, or make their entire team effectively immortal, and that is exactly what is being fixed. I play with a great DPS cleric (top 1-5) that doesn't even use AS and he has no problem surviving unless he gets overwhelmed. DC post AS nerf will be just fine, just adapt and move on.
As for all this talk about removing all boons, mounts, etc. from pvp let me just say, this will NEVER happen. For one PW is running a business and these things entice individuals to spend money. So either you grind for stuff that you need to compete, or you can opt for the easy way out and just open your wallet. That is how free to play games work. If you don't like it find a new game. As harsh as this sounds that is the truth. Some aspects of the game can be a bit too grindy (relic weapons and armor anyone?) and there are valid complaints concerning these things. But complaining about everything in the game will get you nowhere fast and will be ignored.
This game is also all about progression. Progression involves advancing through the game and building your character to be competitive. I, like other players have put a lot of hard work and time into attaining the gear, enchants, and mounts that I have. But you don't have to be maxed out to be competitive. You can get enjoyment out of the game by advancing far enough to get PvP gear, completing the campaigns, having a good PvP build, and getting artifacts and artifact weapons ranked up. All of these things can be achieved with time. Complaining does nothing and wastes everyone's time, especially when it's the same people complaining in every thread that says "PvP" about the same thing every mod. If you spent less time complaining and more time researching how to make AD, researching a good PvP build, and running pve content you would have caught up with the players you loathe so much.
Tldr;
Bottom line PvP needs fixing. Complaining about free to play, play to win does nothing. So far so good on the current changes, and I'll reserve judgement untill we see the end result.
If we're going off how classes are meant to be played, then gf and pally damage need to be HAMSTER then. That's fair right?