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Is there a big issue with M11 Weapon restoration?
adinosii
Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,294 Arc User
As you might know, I wrote a small Mini-guide to Mod11 but there is one critical piece of information missing from it - the restoration cost for mainhand weapons.
I would have had that data if I had continued to play on Preview after M11 went live, but I didn't, and I will not get my own mainhand on live until Thursday. If anyone reading this has gotten a mainhand M11 weapon on Live, please share the information on the restoration cost.
The cost for restoring my offhand on Preview is as follows:
2500 Abandoned treasures.
15 Petrified Dust (Fey), Tainted Soil (Aboleth), Constructed Iron (Lifeforged) or Fleece (Mirage)
20 Vial of Fey Blood (Fey) Volatile Ichor (Aboleth), Spell Amber (Lifeforged) or Ground Jade (Mirage).
45 Arcane Magical Writings
40 Arcanic Focus.
People who have gotten the Fey or Aboleth offhand on Live have confirmed those numbers.
But, there is one major issue of confusion, though. In Kali Gold's weapon restoration video, the offhand restoration numbers are different. There are two minor differences, and one major. The minor difference is 3K Abandoned treasures instead of 2.5K and 40 Arcane Magical Writings instead of 45. The big, BIG, issue is 10 Arcanic Focus instead of 40.
Now, a cost of 10 Arcanic Focus is fine, with maybe 15 for the mainhand. That would mean most people should be able to gather that resource in about the same time as they get the other resources, say 3-4 weeks. Getting 40 Arcanic focus (with maybe another 60 required for mainhand) would require maybe additional 6-8 weeks of playing, just for that single resource - which is not fun - in particular not if rumors of a hardcoded drop limit of 3 per day are true.
So, what is going on?
Possibility 1: The Mirage Weapons have (by design) a different (and much more reasonable) restoration cost than the other weapons, possibly justified by the fact that some of their restoration materials are obtained in a different way (by running the skirmish, not the Boss lairs). If that is the case, I would consider it extremely unfair, as everyone has to get Arcanic focus the same way, by farming dig sites.
Possibility 2: The Mirage weapons have a different (and lower) restoration cost that the other weapons, but this is just a typical error - they are supposed to all cost the same.
Possibility 3: The restoration cost was changed at some point on Preview, and Kali Gold just happened to get his weapon before the restoration cost was changed from 10 to 40. If this is the case, I have to say that the developers made a really bad decision. I have gotten 0-3 Arcanic focus per day, despite something farming dig sites for hours - doing multiple rounds. As I keep saying - this is a game, it is supposed to be fun, but excessive grinding is just not fun - it is boring "work" - and it is not why people are playing a game...
The way I see it, there is a screw-up somewhere.
Update
It seems that possibility 3 above is the actual one. The total cost for a weapon set is therefore:
I would have had that data if I had continued to play on Preview after M11 went live, but I didn't, and I will not get my own mainhand on live until Thursday. If anyone reading this has gotten a mainhand M11 weapon on Live, please share the information on the restoration cost.
The cost for restoring my offhand on Preview is as follows:
2500 Abandoned treasures.
15 Petrified Dust (Fey), Tainted Soil (Aboleth), Constructed Iron (Lifeforged) or Fleece (Mirage)
20 Vial of Fey Blood (Fey) Volatile Ichor (Aboleth), Spell Amber (Lifeforged) or Ground Jade (Mirage).
45 Arcane Magical Writings
40 Arcanic Focus.
People who have gotten the Fey or Aboleth offhand on Live have confirmed those numbers.
But, there is one major issue of confusion, though. In Kali Gold's weapon restoration video, the offhand restoration numbers are different. There are two minor differences, and one major. The minor difference is 3K Abandoned treasures instead of 2.5K and 40 Arcane Magical Writings instead of 45. The big, BIG, issue is 10 Arcanic Focus instead of 40.
Now, a cost of 10 Arcanic Focus is fine, with maybe 15 for the mainhand. That would mean most people should be able to gather that resource in about the same time as they get the other resources, say 3-4 weeks. Getting 40 Arcanic focus (with maybe another 60 required for mainhand) would require maybe additional 6-8 weeks of playing, just for that single resource - which is not fun - in particular not if rumors of a hardcoded drop limit of 3 per day are true.
So, what is going on?
Possibility 1: The Mirage Weapons have (by design) a different (and much more reasonable) restoration cost than the other weapons, possibly justified by the fact that some of their restoration materials are obtained in a different way (by running the skirmish, not the Boss lairs). If that is the case, I would consider it extremely unfair, as everyone has to get Arcanic focus the same way, by farming dig sites.
Possibility 2: The Mirage weapons have a different (and lower) restoration cost that the other weapons, but this is just a typical error - they are supposed to all cost the same.
Possibility 3: The restoration cost was changed at some point on Preview, and Kali Gold just happened to get his weapon before the restoration cost was changed from 10 to 40. If this is the case, I have to say that the developers made a really bad decision. I have gotten 0-3 Arcanic focus per day, despite something farming dig sites for hours - doing multiple rounds. As I keep saying - this is a game, it is supposed to be fun, but excessive grinding is just not fun - it is boring "work" - and it is not why people are playing a game...
The way I see it, there is a screw-up somewhere.
Update
It seems that possibility 3 above is the actual one. The total cost for a weapon set is therefore:
- 5500 Abandoned treasures. Very easy
- 35 Petrified Dust, Tainted Soil, Constructed Iron or Fleece. (Bound purple materials) Easy.
- 50 Vial of Fey Blood, Volatile Ichor, Spell Amber or Ground Jade. (Unbound purple materials) Very easy.
- 105 Arcane Magical Writings. Slow, but doable. Requires a bit of work, or (as it is unbound) a bit of AD.
- 85 Arcanic Focus. Very slow. Requires extensive grinding, and will typically take three times as long as the other materials.
Hoping for improvements...
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Aboleth weapons: Tainted Soil (bound) and Volatile Icor (unbound)
Fey Weapons: Petrified Dust (bound) and Vial of Fey blood (unbound)
Liveforged Weapons; Constructed Iron (bound) and Spell Amber (unbound)
Mirage weapons: Fleece (bound) and Ground Jade (unbound)
I don't see this as a problem, as all those materials (bound or unbound) are pretty easy to get. Arcane Magical Writings require some effort, but are still reasonable - the only real issue is with Arcanic Focus.
Got everything except the focus....aaaand...when I saw that number for arcanic focus (40) I was like... "HOW??!?!"
I've done rounds and rounds of dig sites without even getting one! how is that even possible ?
Someone needs to take a look at it asap.
I'm okay with a reasonable grind for mats but this is absurd.
Seriously though....we have pointed this out multiple times. See for example:
Current patch note thread on Preview: http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter/#/discussion/1228836/cloaked-ascendancy-preview-patch-notes-nw-75-20170206a-6
Complaint thread: http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter/#/discussion/1228770/arcane-focus-and-writings-is-a-issue
Also see the relevant section in the mini-guide: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hVZng0skcQW4dfH0Qy9bcBihAvw78Km4g7wm_eWRn_0/edit?usp=sharing
They really screwed up arcane focus farming..
They need to respond to us asap..
they also are totally ignoring that thread, as well as complaints in general with arcane focus.
Once again.. out of touch with player base.. releasing a core element in this messed up broken state.. no need to frusate us in this manner.
At the rate most poele acquire arcane focus, you will be able to buy 2-3 weapon sets !!!!!
Of course you would never restore those.. as it would take you .. years of grinding at this rate.
they are already gated.. I dont think them moving it from say 3 a day to 6 a day.. or so is that big of a deal, but it allowed plaeyrs to farm a bit more constructively..
or reduce cost just a tad.. bring it down to 20 and 25.. or something.. still ridiculous.. but not so ridiculous at is currently stands.
I still think this is just a mistake.. I choose to believe that they screwed up loot tables on arcane focus, then actually think they meant for us to take like 1.5 months to farm the stupid thing.. we wont even the weapons before next double rp i think..
I just wish they could hurry up and fix it before next patch.
if you need 85.. your talking about on average for most people 60-65 days of grinding probably or more !
this is not really conceivable.. which makes me think it was just a error someplace..
its not that I dont think we should grind.. but the length is beyond reason.. i mean i dont mind visting dig site after dig site.. if it means we can achieve it.. but it seems to be capped and on a timer.. so even if you get ALL 3 in one day..
HR Mirage weapons on preview, taken yesterday.
Edit: Scratch that....got 5 in tonight's session.
By the lack of response, I'm starting to believe this is WAI. People who does just the dailies can get their weapons just in time for mod 12. People who want to go to town on the dig sites can get them in under half the time. It's like revenge for the people who rejected mod 10 and it's payback time.
I unfortunately have one of those toons that is regularly getting locked out of dig sites, not for several hours but for days. To me that is a bigger concern. I can't even get in to grind, be it a ridiculous or reasonable amount of arcanic focus. I've submitted bug reports in game and on the official bug report thread. I've come not to expect any answers, and they will probably fix this at the intro of mod 12, in the same spirit of the increased mark drops in SVA after it was probably too late. I really hope that doesn't happen with this mod, I quite like it, but I've pretty much lost any confidence in this company to competently manage the DnD LP.
Kavatos no give me any weekly quest...yes yes i complete my campaign task b4 do the missions....
45 for main hand? thats (NOT)good....im lucky i need only 1 arcanic focus for off hand(fey off hand) which means 2 weeks farming for 45 arcanic focus.
Where is The traveling vendor?
Taylor DC/DO & AC Buff/Debuff - Guild Gutbusters Brigade - PVE
typical is 1 or 2..
you need 85...
holy batman.. how bad and terrible this is.
new one.. IS way off.. with some poeple , not being able to get weapons for a month or longer.. up to 2!
What a pissy thing to do to its player base.. and of course tons of silence.
I wish I could downvote this company somewhere.. a physical action.. would give me some temporary relief =p
If it's wai, bugged or just really random, as the regular streaky, crappy rng we all love to hate?
however.. at least the map isnt as annoying. because i would spend 30 mins in somi driving a HAMSTER boat around wasting half of my time between quests.