Relic Armor vs. Adamant

santralafax · December 2016

I've been looking at the stats, but the Collections page only shows the Relic Armor at Tier2. From that I would have to guess, based on the greaves, that unempowered boots are not as powerful as Adamant. Is that correct?

Has anyone vivified their gear yet? If so, does it require empowerment, or is it 100% better than existing armors, Everfrost resistance notwithstanding?

I just got a pair of Relic Raid greaves, and am going back and forth on restoring them. I'd have to buy at least half the lanolin, and don't want to waste the funds on inferior gear. (My intent to blow voninblod on empowerment is 0).

jonkoca · December 2016

Vivfied my boots, but it's only a hundred points or so better than the unvivified gear. I've gone for 2 pieces umbral gear, head and arms, and 2 pieces relic. Like you I'm thinking about upkeep, post mod 10.

In a normal day's play atm. - 2 dungeons, 2 skirmishes, dailies, BHEs, and eSVA runs - My armor will need a top up from tier 2 to 3 at some point. That's about 4000 blod per day I think.

Easy to the point of not even noticing at the moment, everything you do in the new zones, from fishing to questing gives you blod, but afterwards... Getting your blod per day will become yet another daily. Worse if you have the 4 piece set. Also remembering the set bonus is mod-specific, so umbral gear's lack of set-bonus won't matter either, post mod 10.

I think the devs walked a fairly fine line with the new gear, they obviously wanted to create something to compete with the masterwork armor, but easier to get for the free to play guys and the new players, without making the masterwork gear redundant. Which they have in fact, achieved. Well done devs. Don't say that very often lol.

santralafax · December 2016

OK, so I'd already restored the Raid Boots, I donned them and amped them up. But I hate giving up vblood when there are still 2 boons to get. Haven't bothered with the Elk Tribe x 3 yet either. I thought they just wanted fish!

And I'm sorry to hear vivified still needs to be fed. I thought the point of vivified was to resolve the blood munching--not just extra stats.

kallephi · December 2016

SW Umbral Raid Chest -

SW Vivified Raid Chest Tier 3 -

SW Umbral Raid Helmet -

SW Vivified Raid Helmet Tier 3 -

That's all I can post. Sorry, I don't have vivified and masterwork gear on my alts.

reefriednunt · December 2016

Wow it's quite an upgrade on stats....curious to what the stat diff is when the empowerment runs out?...would that be tier 1??....

frozenfirevr · December 2016

jonkoca said:
Vivfied my boots, but it's only a hundred points or so better than the unvivified gear. I've gone for 2 pieces umbral gear, head and arms, and 2 pieces relic. Like you I'm thinking about upkeep, post mod 10.

In a normal day's play atm. - 2 dungeons, 2 skirmishes, dailies, BHEs, and eSVA runs - My armor will need a top up from tier 2 to 3 at some point. That's about 4000 blod per day I think.

Easy to the point of not even noticing at the moment, everything you do in the new zones, from fishing to questing gives you blod, but afterwards... Getting your blod per day will become yet another daily. Worse if you have the 4 piece set. Also remembering the set bonus is mod-specific, so umbral gear's lack of set-bonus won't matter either, post mod 10.

I think the devs walked a fairly fine line with the new gear, they obviously wanted to create something to compete with the masterwork armor, but easier to get for the free to play guys and the new players, without making the masterwork gear redundant. Which they have in fact, achieved. Well done devs. Don't say that very often lol.

Sva is the culprit... It drains too much time, when we stop doing it (soon), should be a lot less needed.

emilemo · December 2016

Every new Neverwinter mod kills the previous. I absolutely hate gear that becomes obsolete in a few months, especially when you need a few months (1-3 evening hours of play per day) to even acquire it and upgrade it. Cryptic failed this mod hard far as I'm concerned. They had no idea or no time or no will to provide meaningful content so they turned up the volume of grind. Meh

sorce · January 2017

reefriednunt#3177 said:
Wow it's quite an upgrade on stats....curious to what the stat diff is when the empowerment runs out?...would that be tier 1??....

Vivified T1 gear is the same as non-Vivified T3 gear.

reefriednunt · January 2017

Does anyone have a screenshot vivified T1 gear stats?..im not interested in feeding gear with Vblod, but if I gain decent (permanent) stats by vivifying (and letting empowerment run out) I'll do that

umarachnea · January 2017

reefriednunt#3177 said:
Does anyone have a screenshot vivified T1 gear stats?..im not interested in feeding gear with Vblod, but if I gain decent (permanent) stats by vivifying (and letting empowerment run out) I'll do that

Being on PS4 I don't much about it, but it is my understanding that vivified means it will be 150 min. So relic fully empowered I guess... but I am interested in knowing, since most people seem to be avoiding FBI like the plague, which I don't understand frankly as it's more fun than the mind-numbing 1000 runs of CN.

armadeonx · January 2017

I think most people don't do it because they aren't interested in the grind to gear up for it...

santralafax · January 2017

I've been convinced. I vivified my boots and am running FBI these days to get a chest piece.

jonkoca · January 2017

To update on relic armor in a post-mod10 neverwinter. After getting enough marks for orange weapons, somi and mod10 content has pretty much dropped off the radar for me, and though I did try to get in the habit of doing a few bhes in the zones for blod.... I failed.

Both my chest and feet now are rock bottom empty of blod. They still remain slightly better stat-wise than my umbral hands and head and I decided I could live with the unempowered vivified versions.

I wish there were some kind of blod-pack available on the AH, to empower the armor without having to grind for hours. If I am gonna grind, I'd prefer to choose the kind of grinding, rather than be locked into endless loops of cold run, or lonely wood.

I remember one thing about mod 3 that eased the pain of feeding your armor black ice, kessels gave decent amounts of raw black ice, and professions refined it.

We need a similar profession for mod 10. Plus tasks, mass gather volinblod, and mass refine.

reefriednunt · January 2017

If you use the permafrost shard before empowering doesn't it cut the Vblod requirement in half?

santralafax · January 2017

Currently got chest and boots--salvaged assault vambraces. Still working on S Marks of Ild for the weapons--and it's getting harder. More people are dropping off the SKT map.

jonkoca · January 2017

reefriednunt#3177 said:
If you use the permafrost shard before empowering doesn't it cut the Vblod requirement in half?

No idea, haven't got one. Even if I did, sooner or later, I'd still be out. The blod grind is just too repetitive. Don't get me wrong, I like the gear, and the weapons, but I am very glad it's all over.

rjc9000 · January 2017

Like Sorce has said, your Vivified Armor is as strong as fully powered non Vivified Armor. In addition, you can shove more Voninblod into your Armor for even more stats.

To answer the OP, there is a reason why some classes would chase Relic Armor. Some classes, like CW or GWF, can find the Power/Crit/Defense armors with relative ease. However, other classes, like Conqueror GFs, don't have many Armor options with Power/Crit/Defense. The Relic Raid armors give these classes an option for the Power/Crit/Defense stat combo.

reefriednunt#3177 said:
If you use the permafrost shard before empowering doesn't it cut the Vblod requirement in half?

It probably does. However, in my experience, the Permafrost buff icon disappears if you die. Which tends to happen every now or then in endgame content (and doubly so as a tank who uses KV).

You can mitigate this slightly by having multiple copies of the Permafrost thing.

According to one of the preview patches, Relics will yield more Voninblod, so perhaps the cost will be "sustainable"... eventually...

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caveck · January 2017

You're also forgetting the 3 relic set bonus of +10% outgoing damage when you drink a everfrost potion that only cost like 100 ad each. That alone makes it worth it. And If you run FBI in a decent amount of time you get back the voninblod to empower the gear if not more.

jonkoca · January 2017

I thought about the set bonus, but to be honest, as soon as mod 11 drops, the mod10 content will be a wasteland.

santralafax · January 2017

I've got chest and boots. I still run some FBIs, but since it is so difficult to get in a successful SVA now, vivifying is becoming a problem. And as Jonkoca said, the bonuses are only good for Mod 10 content. If they had a bonus of, say, +5000 hit points, I'd be running FBI a lot more.

caveck · January 2017

@santralafax not sure what your logic is there. The gear alone gives you more than 5k hp. And 10% outgoing damage is beneficial to all content as a dps. And yeah the next mod will have better gear. Great. So when mod 11 comes out and if better gear is announced with mod 12 are you going to wait for that too?

urabask · January 2017

caveck said:
@santralafax not sure what your logic is there. The gear alone gives you more than 5k hp. And 10% outgoing damage is beneficial to all content as a dps. And yeah the next mod will have better gear. Great. So when mod 11 comes out and if better gear is announced with mod 12 are you going to wait for that too?

How do you plan on triggering it outside of mod 10/10.5 content?

santralafax · January 2017

The 10% outgoing damage is in EF conditions, IIRC. It's mainly for running SVA and FBI. No doubt fully empowered & vivified relic is the best--but it requires upkeep. I didn't say I wouldn't take it--just won't be farming like a madman. The chest and boots are pretty good as is.

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caveck · January 2017

I was skeptic about the empowering before too, yes. But I don't think you realize how easy it is to farm voninblod. I am at a stead 60k voninblod without spending hours in bryn shander. I do my dailies that give voninblod in dusk/dragonflight, picking up relics as I see them, get more voninblod back from doing FBI, gaining 200 vb after each HE, and empower the gear when I need to. But it's really not that hard. I'm currently running 3 restored relic pieces, and I'm not slowing running out of vb, but gaining it at a slower rate because I have to restore.
If the complaint about farming is for lanolin, then this is how I look at it. How much will it cost, and how much of a stat bonus will I receive. Lanolin is purchasable, so if you don't feel like farming, you can always just buy it with AD. For the boots and the gloves, it requires 25 lanolin. Which if you just purchased them all for let's say 20k each, that is 500k AD.
Ranking up a R11 radiant to rank 12. First you need to buy or farm the stuff to get it ready to upgrade. Then you need the 4 (i think)superior marks which idk about PC but are generally over 70k each on ps4. But let's say they are 70k. That's 280k just for those. Then you need to buy wards for your 3% success rate. So there's a chance that you might spend less. But if you do, it will be less than 200k. Now let's look at the stat difference. R11-r12 is a 150 power difference. With the provided comparison to umbrel gear you gain over 900 power, 6000 hp. For less than 200k more. But you lose crit. Even then, it's a 682 offensive stat bonus. And if you just do the new content that they make, then voninblod won't be an issue. Why ask for new content if you're just not going to do it?

darknessdestory7 · February 2017

they just honestly need to increase or do something with the master work gear to balance the play field true they have different stats but the artifact set for master work cost a ton of money. just use it... so they need to be increase and should

jonkoca · February 2017

Actually have solved my blod problems. I specced back into pvp mode, bought a purple trowel, and while I'm waiting for the dom Q to pop I ride around cold run in my pvp gear picking up relics. Got so much spare blod I even got another storm king boon. Who'd a thunk it.

niadan · February 2017

I went back to dusk chest and arms combined with Jarls gaze and vivified boots. Same or better stats than all vivified when in party...which is only time it matters.

kallephi · February 2017

niadan said:
I went back to dusk chest and arms combined with Jarls gaze and vivified boots. Same or better stats than all vivified when in party...which is only time it matters.

A dusk item will never have the same stats of a Vivified Tier 3 item. I posted screenshots of 2 vivified tier 3 items, and only with those 2 I already covered the 1k power from dusk and got an extra 500 power. Not to mention the 10% damage bonus.

niadan · February 2017

I have the 10% bonus against giants as I have the viv boots. I also have jarls gaze and do not need the extra crit as I am capped. For me, two dusk worked out to be just fine. This will change now that I have the psion shroud (think AOC benefit from paly) So now I will work on vivified arms for my cw. Until then I will run Dragonflight arms.

Edit...Mispoke on 10%bonus...touche @kallephi#0836

Relic Armor vs. Adamant

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