IS using feeder artifacts better or using r4 and r5 stacks?

skandam4ever · February 2017

hope someone can give a sloid answer as 2XRP is right around the corner

lantern22 · February 2017

Unless I have stuffed up the maths & Calcs using feeders is at least 2x better atm.

Based on my calculations the RP cost only (so not including the marks, GMOPs, Greater Marks and Pres Wards etc, that you need to upgrade the target artifact) between just using R5 stacks and 4 feeders (+ target) is

R5's - $1.7M AD in RP
4x Feeders - 500K AD in RP and feeders (includes upgrading feeders)

At the moment (last time I checked anyway) R8's are slightly cheaper at 1.6M AD

This is based on "Indy's" method whoom I think is @indylol and:

R5 Stack - 35K AD
R8 Runestone (for feeder RP) 9K AD
Feeder - 40K AD
Greater Marks (for feeder upgrades) 30K
Pres wards for feeder upgrades 5K
and a few other bits and pieces

I ignored marks and lesser marks as they are usually cheap and I have plenty of them

So it is going to vary.

During 2x RP only.

Also it is based on getting 2 R92+ feeders and you need 2.14 R92's to get the target to R140 so you need a little luck with some crits. But still atm on PC it is significantly cheaper to use feeders by my calcs even if you have to throw in a few R5's to make up for not critting.

If anyone wants to double check my math and advise of any errors, that would be great. I put it all into a spreadsheet where you can enter in the cost of the bits and pieces and it spits out the answer and comparison but don't really know (and cant be bothered to figure out) how to link it.

Again thanks to Indy.

- found an error in my calcs, revised figures

- the above doesn't take into accounts crits when refining

skandam4ever · February 2017

yeah feeders are only 40kish atm and the guides i found online were calculated using 100k+ but things change so fast in this game i need ot make sure i dont screw up as i am far from rich

neirgara · February 2017

Feeding:

To get a rank 1 artifact to 59 you need 293.535 RP. If you use rank 5 enchantments with 2160 a piece, you need 136. Also you need a bunch of green and blue marks, to get the artifact to rare. Feeding the artifact will give you 1.239.200 RP

Enchantments:

To get 1.239.200 RP with rank 5 enchantments you will need 574.

Which one is cheaper depends on prices. At the moment feeding is better for union and stability, as you can get the ingredients for less than the costs of 574 enchantments. For power artifacts it could be the other way, as those are quite costly. If you can get the artifact for less than 100k, you should be finde. If not, using only enchantments probably is better.

The math may change with other ranks of enchantments. For that you need to check the prices.

skandam4ever · February 2017

neirgara said:
Feeding:

To get a rank 1 artifact to 59 you need 293.535 RP. If you use rank 5 enchantments with 2160 a piece, you need 136. Also you need a bunch of green and blue marks, to get the artifact to rare. Feeding the artifact will give you 1.239.200 RP

Enchantments:

To get 1.239.200 RP with rank 5 enchantments you will need 574.

Which one is cheaper depends on prices. At the moment feeding is better for union and stability, as you can get the ingredients for less than the costs of 574 enchantments. For power artifacts it could be the other way, as those are quite costly. If you can get the artifact for less than 100k, you should be finde. If not, using only enchantments probably is better.

The math may change with other ranks of enchantments. For that you need to check the prices.

at least 5 power for 40-50k atm on AH

neirgara · February 2017

skandam4ever said:

neirgara said:
Feeding:

To get a rank 1 artifact to 59 you need 293.535 RP. If you use rank 5 enchantments with 2160 a piece, you need 136. Also you need a bunch of green and blue marks, to get the artifact to rare. Feeding the artifact will give you 1.239.200 RP

Enchantments:

To get 1.239.200 RP with rank 5 enchantments you will need 574.

Which one is cheaper depends on prices. At the moment feeding is better for union and stability, as you can get the ingredients for less than the costs of 574 enchantments. For power artifacts it could be the other way, as those are quite costly. If you can get the artifact for less than 100k, you should be finde. If not, using only enchantments probably is better.

The math may change with other ranks of enchantments. For that you need to check the prices.

at least 5 power for 40-50k atm on AH

I see only Shard of Valindra's Crown for around 80k (still less than 100k, so good for feeding). So if you see some for less again, I advise to buy them instantly, as that seems to be a very good deal.

asterotg · February 2017

Keep in mind, that R 5s and feeder Artifacts can crit. With feeder artifacts and some luck, you have a higher multiplicator, if you have crits (enchant x1.5 or 2 or enchant x1.5 or 2 and artifact x 1.5 or 2= max 4x).

Regarding artifacts of power, if you can do some PvP, you can use bloodcrystal ravenskulls for FREE. Artifacts of union can use BtA eye of lathander as feeder.

Last but not least, get some quartermaster enchants, lent a few R12 quartermaster enchants from your 'richer' friends during 2x enchants. Open the bags you got from the quartermaster enchant and you will have enough BtA R6s and R7s, to upgrade anything you want. I did not buy RPs for a few years and I did not use unbound RPs on my own chars for at last a year.

This way 2x RP will help you upgrade your char AND make a profit or, at last, selling RPs will finance your GMOPs/ SMOPs.

skandam4ever · February 2017

ty for the tips stocking up on the feader artifacts now before the price goes up

indylol · February 2017

@lantern22

When you make your level 92 feeders, you can always feed them up to 94-96 with runestones to avoid relying on a crit if you throw an extra 200-400k rp into the feeders before refining it into your target artifact. I'm glad to see someone is still finding what i wrote.

callumf · February 2017

Is there an idiots guide to this anywhere? For example what Green thing do I need to buy to upgrade My Elemental Fire Sword and Shield

urabask · February 2017

callumf#9018 said:
Is there an idiots guide to this anywhere? For example what Green thing do I need to buy to upgrade My Elemental Fire Sword and Shield

Feeding doesn't work for artifact weapons or artifact equipment because you get always get at most 80% of the RP that went into one if you feed it into another. So given that there's a 2x RP event starting on the 9th your best bet is to save your RP until then and dump it into your elemental weapons. Then you can grind out the ascendant weapons in mod 11 and feed your elemental weapons into those (because artifact weapons always get the 2x modifier when fed into another weapon).

xxxhansolxxx · February 2017

Here's a guide I wrote some time ago. Price have changed, so keeps that in mind, but the maths are the same.

http://darkpastry.enjin.com/forumalliance/m/39607166/viewthread/28288080-using-artifacts-as-feeders

lantern22 · February 2017

indylol said:
@lantern22

When you make your level 92 feeders, you can always feed them up to 94-96 with runestones to avoid relying on a crit if you throw an extra 200-400k rp into the feeders before refining it into your target artifact. I'm glad to see someone is still finding what i wrote.

Well thanks for writing it. Was mildly hard to find, but the trail of breadcrumbs was still there in the ether

lantern22 · February 2017

neirgara said:
Feeding:

To get a rank 1 artifact to 59 you need 293.535 RP. If you use rank 5 enchantments with 2160 a piece, you need 136. Also you need a bunch of green and blue marks, to get the artifact to rare. Feeding the artifact will give you 1.239.200 RP

Enchantments:

To get 1.239.200 RP with rank 5 enchantments you will need 574.

Which one is cheaper depends on prices. At the moment feeding is better for union and stability, as you can get the ingredients for less than the costs of 574 enchantments. For power artifacts it could be the other way, as those are quite costly. If you can get the artifact for less than 100k, you should be finde. If not, using only enchantments probably is better.

The math may change with other ranks of enchantments. For that you need to check the prices.

I think Arti's would need to be over 200K (maybe as high as 300K) for feeders not to be more effective. I'm not sure about the effect of critting on the results.

nataliemi971 · February 2017

Is it usually cheaper/more efficient to make the lvl 92/94 artifact to feed or a bunch of lvl 59 artifacts to get to mythic from legendary?

armadeonx · February 2017

If you get x2 to rank 59 then drop them into a green (or blue, just don't bother levelling it) and do this twice, so using a total of 6 artifacts you can get the same result as levelling one to about r75. In other words you use the same amount of RP for the initial feeders but spend a little more on marks and wards but save on 2 artifact purchases.

Personally I prefer the 1-into-1 x2 method as I believe it's cheaper.

IS using feeder artifacts better or using r4 and r5 stacks?

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