How to deal with gifts scammers

grrouper · January 2017

I know i it has been said many times to just stick with your guild and friends when it comes to gift exchanges. Yet once in awhile it is nice to just share among a few others to meet new player. So a couple days ago i went and joined a party after we opened 10 each 1 person left and was replaced. Sad to say that person choose not to return any gifts on his turn after 3 others each gave 10. He played the i just gave 10 gifts by using the sky lanterns yet even then he only used 4 or 5. After most in party asked why he kept saying he gave his and started to get very vulgar so we kicked him from group and passed out more gifts. The thing is of course he got called out in chat and i watched his handle he changed to other alts. About an hour passes and he shows his main and the guild he belongs to. So i reported him to his guild and after we talked they removed him. Then he gets invited to another guild i talk once again to a leader and they remove him there also. Should i just let his actions slide or should i keep on him going after each guild he joins ? Should i set some kind of forfeiture as to make him show mends for his dirty conduct ? We all know CS will not do anything about the issue and most good guilds will not want a thief in their flock.

kreatyve · January 2017

I personally would probably do the same, with reporting him to the leader of whatever guild he happens to join, and would hope that people would give me the same courtesy as a guild leader. Thank you for not mentioning names here, by the way.

regenerde · January 2017

Well, here is a small wish for next year, that someone may be could pass along to the Devs:
Please add a mechanic to the allread present gift buff, that as long as you give gifts, you'll also receive gifts.
Nothing fancy, just +1 for every person you give a gift, -1 for every gift you receive in return, and when you reach 0 you get 0 gifts.
That should hopefully end the whole gift scamming for good.

And while some guild leaders care about such matters, others don't give a...
I've read several complaints in Zone chat about different players from the same guild/alliance, and nothing happened, those players are still in the same guild/alliance, and are still running their gift scam routine.

forumnamesuxs · January 2017

First I'd like to thank you for reporting them to us (I'm an officer in one of the guilds they got kicked from), second, I think perhaps the best way to avoid these things, is to make it so that when one person uses a gift, all people in that party that has one, also uses it, and that the drops from them go directly to inventory. This way, the glow around a person's head is actually helpful with avoiding scammers.
Of course, not having gifts should not prevent people from receiving them. My guild mates and I often invite leechers, if we can't find enough available people that has any to share, and I'd like to continue being able to do so.

polaris1986 · January 2017

I want to say.

situation with "scammers" is catastrophic.

Ok, I know them and I can add they to my ignor list.
but they are STILL using common chat to create a group and betray other people who doesn't spent so much time on event.
everybody know.

And guilds are not importent. Ok you kicked him out but he will found another guild.
Or for example i was failed with 40 gifts from 2.8 GF with good alliance, really good. I told to Alliance guild leader but i'm not sure he will do something with him, because this GF can be really good in play, and he is guild officer (allianced guild) but he still a scammer. And I understand if his guild have a 5 or highest level so Alliance can lose some their benefits. I understand.
and after event everyone will forgot about this.

there should be some RED TITLE under his name. People should have a report button and it goes to be automatical add this RED TITLE after 10-20-100 reports. AUTOMATIC.

this will be very usefull tool for people who like to cheat. anyway.

Also with such panel you can make a reputation for characters - good one? have a + , cheater - have a - . So if someone want to clean his reputation he should ask people to help with this. and its will not be easy.

litaaers · January 2017

polaris1986 said:
I want to say.

situation with "scammers" is catastrophic.

Ok, I know them and I can add they to my ignor list.
but they are STILL using common chat to create a group and betray other people who doesn't spent so much time on event.
everybody know.

And guilds are not importent. Ok you kicked him out but he will found another guild.
Or for example i was failed with 40 gifts from 2.8 GF with good alliance, really good. I told to Alliance guild leader but i'm not sure he will do something with him, because this GF can be really good in play, and he is guild officer (allianced guild) but he still a scammer. And I understand if his guild have a 5 or highest level so Alliance can lose some their benefits. I understand.
and after event everyone will forgot about this.

there should be some RED TITLE under his name. People should have a report button and it goes to be automatical add this RED TITLE after 10-20-100 reports. AUTOMATIC.

this will be very usefull tool for people who like to cheat. anyway.

Also with such panel you can make a reputation for characters - good one? have a + , cheater - have a - . So if someone want to clean his reputation he should ask people to help with this. and its will not be easy.

Unfortunately, if you give a mob a pitchfork, someone innocent will get skewered. Guaranteed. This won't happen, not without GM review. NOT automatic.

litaaers · January 2017

forumnamesuxs said:
First I'd like to thank you for reporting them to us (I'm an officer in one of the guilds they got kicked from), second, I think perhaps the best way to avoid these things, is to make it so that when one person uses a gift, all people in that party that has one, also uses it, and that the drops from them go directly to inventory. This way, the glow around a person's head is actually helpful with avoiding scammers.

Of course, not having gifts should not prevent people from receiving them. My guild mates and I often invite leechers, if we can't find enough available people that has any to share, and I'd like to continue being able to do so.

Another thing they could do is to do away with ALL sky lanterns. Or prevent them from being used in the Winter Festival grounds (which defeats their purpose, so maybe doing away with the in the name of decency is better).

btairborne · January 2017

It would be nice to see some kind of visual aid that we have people on ignore. If I don't want people in my groups, I don't want to be invited to a group with people I ignored either. I should at least know if it happens.

greywynd · January 2017

I was invited into a group. No special instructions were given at any time. So when the presents started being given, I gave mine. Group started with 5, I ended up with 6 more, gave those, said I intended to go get more with my stars and the next thing I knew I was kicked from the party for not following the instructions that I was never given.

Next group were more than happy with the additional 18 I had to give.

litaaers · January 2017

Usually, its a good idea to start with a smaller group (5 gifts), and stay around if the people are honest. Don't expect to get a 1-for-1 exchange on gifts... you WILL lose some to people, but then again, not much is lost, as the gifts are small. Also, sometimes you can get someone who will dump extra gifts to save time.

Yesterday, I was in a group that went two or three rounds, and at the end, I dumped 30 gifts instead of 10, as I wouldn't have time for 3 more rounds. It went well, but I got when people tried to do another round, the new leader asked me to leave as I had no more to give.... I *just* dumped 20 extra, and I was asked to leave!!! But no worries, I wasn't expecting anything, just felt a little miffed that someone felt 'rules lawyer' enough to care. Not to mention my Simril Artifact was Epic when I started this season, so all the lumens went to the vendor.

btairborne · January 2017

It's real easy.. just stop being lazy and do round robin style gifting. Call out the first letter of who goes next. Party order or alphabetical is easiest. Yes you have to actually type a little. I know how people in NW hate to type anything.

It only really gets to be a hassle at about 20 gifts but you really reap the rewards. If someone is out of gifts, kick them immediately and possibly find someone else. For the most part scammers head to easier pickings and that's not this kind of group.

litaaers · January 2017

btairborne said:
It's real easy.. just stop being lazy and do round robin style gifting. Call out the first letter of who goes next. Party order or alphabetical is easiest. Yes you have to actually type a little. I know how people in NW hate to type anything.

It only really gets to be a hassle at about 20 gifts but you really reap the rewards. If someone is out of gifts, kick them immediately and possibly find someone else. For the most part scammers head to easier pickings and that's not this kind of group.

Is 1-for-1 really that important to you?

kreatyve · January 2017

I personally don't care if I get 1-for-1. I've invited people to party who have said they have no gifts to share. I have no issues with that at all. But starting a party and trying to say that you gave gifts when you didn't - that is what I have an issue with. There also seems to be, on Xbox at least, people who are requesting gold for gifts. This, in my opinion, is even worse! Scammers suck, and if anyone gets evidence of a scammer in my guild, I would really hope that they share that evidence with me, because the person will not be in my guild for every long.

greywynd · January 2017

My basic feeling is; they're gifts. Give them. Share them. Giving is what is important. Not getting.

regenerde · January 2017

forumnamesuxs said:

...
Of course, not having gifts should not prevent people from receiving them. My guild mates and I often invite leechers, if we can't find enough available people that has any to share, and I'd like to continue being able to do so.

They could keep the restriction mentioned above to the Winter Festival area, if you want to gift to anyone, you could just move to another map.

polaris1986 · January 2017

litaaers said:

polaris1986 said:
I want to say.

situation with "scammers" is catastrophic.

Ok, I know them and I can add they to my ignor list.
but they are STILL using common chat to create a group and betray other people who doesn't spent so much time on event.
everybody know.

And guilds are not importent. Ok you kicked him out but he will found another guild.
Or for example i was failed with 40 gifts from 2.8 GF with good alliance, really good. I told to Alliance guild leader but i'm not sure he will do something with him, because this GF can be really good in play, and he is guild officer (allianced guild) but he still a scammer. And I understand if his guild have a 5 or highest level so Alliance can lose some their benefits. I understand.
and after event everyone will forgot about this.

there should be some RED TITLE under his name. People should have a report button and it goes to be automatical add this RED TITLE after 10-20-100 reports. AUTOMATIC.

this will be very usefull tool for people who like to cheat. anyway.

Also with such panel you can make a reputation for characters - good one? have a + , cheater - have a - . So if someone want to clean his reputation he should ask people to help with this. and its will not be easy.
Unfortunately, if you give a mob a pitchfork, someone innocent will get skewered. Guaranteed. This won't happen, not without GM review. NOT automatic.

I say about russian server.

@kreatyve

can you say please is there any point in rules that means deception? If I decide to exchange my 12 encharment for another 12 one, but in exchange window my partner put only R10 stone, or R8 only, I was busy and see it only in my bag, can I ask a support service to help me? But if he broke my account and stole my stones?

On Drider server you can be banned just if you have many appeals against you to support.
It is true, we had case, Some hightIL CW was too problematic for opponents. He played in Master of Fire path. So they become writting an appeals to game support that double burning is a bug. So anyone who will use it should be bunned for exploide. But if you ever played for MoF CW you will know that in 90% of cases you will have a double burning. It happening if you using MoF passive powers or if you just using Icy terrain or any else freezen spells with fire. So or you lose 90% of your effectives or you just stop playing for MoF on PVP, Just because there is much of appeals. (this taboo for double burning is still active on ru forum)

So what i mean. Just path to support service can be too long and our support isn't competent in some cases. so we have nothing to lose) and even if someone will be wrongly accused he can ask a support yes? and my idea with RED title will not block any game opportunites. He can do all the same just people will see if something wrong with this character or account.

kreatyve · January 2017

polaris1986 said:

litaaers said:

polaris1986 said:
I want to say.

situation with "scammers" is catastrophic.

Ok, I know them and I can add they to my ignor list.
but they are STILL using common chat to create a group and betray other people who doesn't spent so much time on event.
everybody know.

And guilds are not importent. Ok you kicked him out but he will found another guild.
Or for example i was failed with 40 gifts from 2.8 GF with good alliance, really good. I told to Alliance guild leader but i'm not sure he will do something with him, because this GF can be really good in play, and he is guild officer (allianced guild) but he still a scammer. And I understand if his guild have a 5 or highest level so Alliance can lose some their benefits. I understand.
and after event everyone will forgot about this.

there should be some RED TITLE under his name. People should have a report button and it goes to be automatical add this RED TITLE after 10-20-100 reports. AUTOMATIC.

this will be very usefull tool for people who like to cheat. anyway.

Also with such panel you can make a reputation for characters - good one? have a + , cheater - have a - . So if someone want to clean his reputation he should ask people to help with this. and its will not be easy.
Unfortunately, if you give a mob a pitchfork, someone innocent will get skewered. Guaranteed. This won't happen, not without GM review. NOT automatic.

I say about russian server.

@kreatyve

can you say please is there any point in rules that means deception? If I decide to exchange my 12 encharment for another 12 one, but in exchange window my partner put only R10 stone, or R8 only, I was busy and see it only in my bag, can I ask a support service to help me? But if he broke my account and stole my stones?

On Drider server you can be banned just if you have many appeals against you to support.
It is true, we had case, Some hightIL CW was too problematic for opponents. He played in Master of Fire path. So they become writting an appeals to game support that double burning is a bug. So anyone who will use it should be bunned for exploide. But if you ever played for MoF CW you will know that in 90% of cases you will have a double burning. It happening if you using MoF passive powers or if you just using Icy terrain or any else freezen spells with fire. So or you lose 90% of your effectives or you just stop playing for MoF on PVP, Just because there is much of appeals. (this taboo for double burning is still active on ru forum)

So what i mean. Just path to support service can be too long and our support isn't competent in some cases. so we have nothing to lose) and even if someone will be wrongly accused he can ask a support yes? and my idea with RED title will not block any game opportunites. He can do all the same just people will see if something wrong with this character or account.

To be perfectly honest with you, the Terms of Service do state the following:

Please note that regardless of any notice, we reserve the right to discontinue the Service or to terminate or suspend your Account at any time in our sole discretion, for any reason, or for no reason.

However, it also mentions in those same Terms of Service:

Without limiting the foregoing, in addition to the User Content rules set forth in Section 16, you agree not to take any of the following actions: ... engage in any actions that defraud or attempt to defraud, scam or cheat others out of any items that have been earned through authorized game play;

That's in section 15.1j if you need the reference.

polaris1986 · January 2017

kreatyve said:

polaris1986 said:

litaaers said:

polaris1986 said:
I want to say.

situation with "scammers" is catastrophic.

Ok, I know them and I can add they to my ignor list.
but they are STILL using common chat to create a group and betray other people who doesn't spent so much time on event.
everybody know.

And guilds are not importent. Ok you kicked him out but he will found another guild.
Or for example i was failed with 40 gifts from 2.8 GF with good alliance, really good. I told to Alliance guild leader but i'm not sure he will do something with him, because this GF can be really good in play, and he is guild officer (allianced guild) but he still a scammer. And I understand if his guild have a 5 or highest level so Alliance can lose some their benefits. I understand.
and after event everyone will forgot about this.

there should be some RED TITLE under his name. People should have a report button and it goes to be automatical add this RED TITLE after 10-20-100 reports. AUTOMATIC.

this will be very usefull tool for people who like to cheat. anyway.

Also with such panel you can make a reputation for characters - good one? have a + , cheater - have a - . So if someone want to clean his reputation he should ask people to help with this. and its will not be easy.
Unfortunately, if you give a mob a pitchfork, someone innocent will get skewered. Guaranteed. This won't happen, not without GM review. NOT automatic.

I say about russian server.

@kreatyve

can you say please is there any point in rules that means deception? If I decide to exchange my 12 encharment for another 12 one, but in exchange window my partner put only R10 stone, or R8 only, I was busy and see it only in my bag, can I ask a support service to help me? But if he broke my account and stole my stones?

On Drider server you can be banned just if you have many appeals against you to support.
It is true, we had case, Some hightIL CW was too problematic for opponents. He played in Master of Fire path. So they become writting an appeals to game support that double burning is a bug. So anyone who will use it should be bunned for exploide. But if you ever played for MoF CW you will know that in 90% of cases you will have a double burning. It happening if you using MoF passive powers or if you just using Icy terrain or any else freezen spells with fire. So or you lose 90% of your effectives or you just stop playing for MoF on PVP, Just because there is much of appeals. (this taboo for double burning is still active on ru forum)

So what i mean. Just path to support service can be too long and our support isn't competent in some cases. so we have nothing to lose) and even if someone will be wrongly accused he can ask a support yes? and my idea with RED title will not block any game opportunites. He can do all the same just people will see if something wrong with this character or account.
To be perfectly honest with you, the Terms of Service do state the following:
Please note that regardless of any notice, we reserve the right to discontinue the Service or to terminate or suspend your Account at any time in our sole discretion, for any reason, or for no reason.

However, it also mentions in those same Terms of Service:

Without limiting the foregoing, in addition to the User Content rules set forth in Section 16, you agree not to take any of the following actions: ... engage in any actions that defraud or attempt to defraud, scam or cheat others out of any items that have been earned through authorized game play;

That's in section 15.1j if you need the reference.

Thank a lot! but is it work?

I mean if a persone systimatic make a group for gifts and leave it when got all gifts? Should he be banned or at least get mute or few days ban? and if I have a screenshots where we are going to use 10-100 gifts in party and someole left? can i report to game support, yes? but in any way game support will not give me 10-100 losing gifts. So what's matter?

after 1 day ban he will back again. I just want that there were an information that this character can be a scammer.
and as already was said:

If I don't want people in my groups, I don't want to be invited to a group with people I ignored either. I should at least know if it happens.

litaaers · January 2017

polaris1986 said:
but in any way game support will not give me 10-100 losing gifts. So what's matter?

I know this may be an unpopular idea, but, during the whole mechanic of gift giving, there is NO requirement to get a gift back. It is certainly good etiquette, but the giving of the gift is the complete action in itself. So, you aren't 'losing' any gifts.

Handle it just like someone who joins your dungeon pug, and does a fast run when you specified complete run, or vice versa. Kick, and thats it.

kreatyve · January 2017

polaris1986 said:

kreatyve said:

polaris1986 said:

litaaers said:

polaris1986 said:
I want to say.

situation with "scammers" is catastrophic.

Ok, I know them and I can add they to my ignor list.
but they are STILL using common chat to create a group and betray other people who doesn't spent so much time on event.
everybody know.

And guilds are not importent. Ok you kicked him out but he will found another guild.
Or for example i was failed with 40 gifts from 2.8 GF with good alliance, really good. I told to Alliance guild leader but i'm not sure he will do something with him, because this GF can be really good in play, and he is guild officer (allianced guild) but he still a scammer. And I understand if his guild have a 5 or highest level so Alliance can lose some their benefits. I understand.
and after event everyone will forgot about this.

there should be some RED TITLE under his name. People should have a report button and it goes to be automatical add this RED TITLE after 10-20-100 reports. AUTOMATIC.

this will be very usefull tool for people who like to cheat. anyway.

Also with such panel you can make a reputation for characters - good one? have a + , cheater - have a - . So if someone want to clean his reputation he should ask people to help with this. and its will not be easy.
Unfortunately, if you give a mob a pitchfork, someone innocent will get skewered. Guaranteed. This won't happen, not without GM review. NOT automatic.

I say about russian server.

@kreatyve

can you say please is there any point in rules that means deception? If I decide to exchange my 12 encharment for another 12 one, but in exchange window my partner put only R10 stone, or R8 only, I was busy and see it only in my bag, can I ask a support service to help me? But if he broke my account and stole my stones?

On Drider server you can be banned just if you have many appeals against you to support.
It is true, we had case, Some hightIL CW was too problematic for opponents. He played in Master of Fire path. So they become writting an appeals to game support that double burning is a bug. So anyone who will use it should be bunned for exploide. But if you ever played for MoF CW you will know that in 90% of cases you will have a double burning. It happening if you using MoF passive powers or if you just using Icy terrain or any else freezen spells with fire. So or you lose 90% of your effectives or you just stop playing for MoF on PVP, Just because there is much of appeals. (this taboo for double burning is still active on ru forum)

So what i mean. Just path to support service can be too long and our support isn't competent in some cases. so we have nothing to lose) and even if someone will be wrongly accused he can ask a support yes? and my idea with RED title will not block any game opportunites. He can do all the same just people will see if something wrong with this character or account.
To be perfectly honest with you, the Terms of Service do state the following:
Please note that regardless of any notice, we reserve the right to discontinue the Service or to terminate or suspend your Account at any time in our sole discretion, for any reason, or for no reason.
However, it also mentions in those same Terms of Service:
Without limiting the foregoing, in addition to the User Content rules set forth in Section 16, you agree not to take any of the following actions: ... engage in any actions that defraud or attempt to defraud, scam or cheat others out of any items that have been earned through authorized game play;

That's in section 15.1j if you need the reference.

Thank a lot! but is it work?

I mean if a persone systimatic make a group for gifts and leave it when got all gifts? Should he be banned or at least get mute or few days ban? and if I have a screenshots where we are going to use 10-100 gifts in party and someole left? can i report to game support, yes? but in any way game support will not give me 10-100 losing gifts. So what's matter?

after 1 day ban he will back again. I just want that there were an information that this character can be a scammer.
and as already was said:

If I don't want people in my groups, I don't want to be invited to a group with people I ignored either. I should at least know if it happens.

I honestly can't speak for Customer Service. They may or may not decide to take action, based on the evidence given. Whatever action they decide to take would be completely at their discretion.

drewhayes · January 2017

litaaers said:

polaris1986 said:
I want to say.

situation with "scammers" is catastrophic.

Ok, I know them and I can add they to my ignor list.
but they are STILL using common chat to create a group and betray other people who doesn't spent so much time on event.
everybody know.

And guilds are not importent. Ok you kicked him out but he will found another guild.
Or for example i was failed with 40 gifts from 2.8 GF with good alliance, really good. I told to Alliance guild leader but i'm not sure he will do something with him, because this GF can be really good in play, and he is guild officer (allianced guild) but he still a scammer. And I understand if his guild have a 5 or highest level so Alliance can lose some their benefits. I understand.
and after event everyone will forgot about this.

there should be some RED TITLE under his name. People should have a report button and it goes to be automatical add this RED TITLE after 10-20-100 reports. AUTOMATIC.

this will be very usefull tool for people who like to cheat. anyway.

Also with such panel you can make a reputation for characters - good one? have a + , cheater - have a - . So if someone want to clean his reputation he should ask people to help with this. and its will not be easy.
Unfortunately, if you give a mob a pitchfork, someone innocent will get skewered. Guaranteed. This won't happen, not without GM review. NOT automatic.

The way that some guilds operate, if there were a mechanism to single out one other player, it WOULD be used as a weapon.

I would prefer a scenario like the the leaver's penalty. If you leave a gift group without drpopping any, 24 hour ban on gift groups. 36 hours for second offence. 3rd strike disqualifies you for the remainder of winter festival.

therealprotex · January 2017

The scamming problem is 100% self-made. Just don't exchange gifts in random parties. Ignore zone chat requests. To avoid all this scamming, only exchange gifts with guild/alliance members. There are always enough people who want to join in and scamming is reduced to a big fat zero. Honestly, I do not feel pity at all for anyone who falls for a scammer. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

asterotg · January 2017

regenerde said:
Well, here is a small wish for next year, that someone may be could pass along to the Devs:
Please add a mechanic to the allread present gift buff, that as long as you give gifts, you'll also receive gifts.
Nothing fancy, just +1 for every person you give a gift, -1 for every gift you receive in return, and when you reach 0 you get 0 gifts.
That should hopefully end the whole gift scamming for good.

And while some guild leaders care about such matters, others don't give a...
I've read several complaints in Zone chat about different players from the same guild/alliance, and nothing happened, those players are still in the same guild/alliance, and are still running their gift scam routine.

So if I log on with 20 chars and share my gifts with a guild mates, who have one char, they will have received 20-50 bags and a similar amount of stars. I have shared a total of 400 gifts and they gave nothing.

If I log on my main, to get the BTC gifts were they matter, by your logic, I would not get a gift after ca. 20 gifts, even if EVERYTHING shared in this group is a result of me farming the event on 20 chars. That is a plan.

No wait, he will get nothing from my chars, bc he did not share enough gifts, so my lanterns would be wasted. I would be forced to share either with other players with 20 chars or randoms or let the gifts go to waste.

This is no theory, but how this works in the group I play with, more or less. Some of us have a LS army of 20-40 characters others have one-4 chars. Some collect on 40 chars every day, some on one or two.

This WE a friend with LS army and I (20 chars) each shared 500+ gifts with our group. The others shared their gifts with us and on an on. We were done after SEVEN hours. The player with one char has opened more then 1000 gifts.

While I dont like scammers, your 'solution' would not work.

Auto banning would not work either, bc it would get abused.

PS. Regarding the therms of service. If a rule like, we can do what we want for whatever reason or no reason at all would work, every contract in the world (when one person is in a stronger position) would read like 'I can do everything I like, you dont have any rights and you have to pay me XY'. They provide service in the EU, so European law gets applied to this 'rules'. Players are consumers, so there is a bunch of rules protecting them from one sided terms of service like that.

regenerde · January 2017

asterotg said:

regenerde said:
Well, here is a small wish for next year, that someone may be could pass along to the Devs:
Please add a mechanic to the allread present gift buff, that as long as you give gifts, you'll also receive gifts.
Nothing fancy, just +1 for every person you give a gift, -1 for every gift you receive in return, and when you reach 0 you get 0 gifts.
That should hopefully end the whole gift scamming for good.

And while some guild leaders care about such matters, others don't give a...
I've read several complaints in Zone chat about different players from the same guild/alliance, and nothing happened, those players are still in the same guild/alliance, and are still running their gift scam routine.
...
While I dont like scammers, your 'solution' would not work.
...

As mentioned above, with my solution in place, when you want to exchange gifts fair and square, you could do that in the Winter Festival area during the event, and after the event in PE.
If you want to fire your gifts away at will, you could just go to any other area - which some players are allready doing, since the Winter Festival area is lagging like crazy at the moment.

In short, my solution would work just fine.

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regenerde · January 2017

therealprotex said:
The scamming problem is 100% self-made. Just don't exchange gifts in random parties. Ignore zone chat requests. To avoid all this scamming, only exchange gifts with guild/alliance members. There are always enough people who want to join in and scamming is reduced to a big fat zero. Honestly, I do not feel pity at all for anyone who falls for a scammer. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

... and when a guild get's scammed by a long-term member, that walks away with all the good stuff from the guild bank, that's the fault of the guild as well.
... or when a guild leader sells a guild for real money, and the new guild leader kicks out all the remaining members, that's on the guild members too.

Btw. i take a few drops of milk with my coffee each morning, but that doesn't mean that i'm also willing to buy the whole cow...

kreatyve · January 2017

asterotg said:
PS. Regarding the therms of service. If a rule like, we can do what we want for whatever reason or no reason at all would work, every contract in the world (when one person is in a stronger position) would read like 'I can do everything I like, you dont have any rights and you have to pay me XY'. They provide service in the EU, so European law gets applied to this 'rules'. Players are consumers, so there is a bunch of rules protecting them from one sided terms of service like that.

I completely agree with you on that one. As far as I've heard and seen, nobody has ever been permabanned while being completely innocent, though I know a lot of people who have been innocently temp banned (quite a few during last year's winter festival.

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polaris1986 · January 2017

litaaers said:

polaris1986 said:
but in any way game support will not give me 10-100 losing gifts. So what's matter?
I know this may be an unpopular idea, but, during the whole mechanic of gift giving, there is NO requirement to get a gift back. It is certainly good etiquette, but the giving of the gift is the complete action in itself. So, you aren't 'losing' any gifts.

Handle it just like someone who joins your dungeon pug, and does a fast run when you specified complete run, or vice versa. Kick, and thats it.

You know, if i wanna give a gift i prefer to give it to my guild or to my friends or even for good party run on eLoL.
If someone making a party for 10 gifts from each one it means he will give this 10 gifts! not scamming.
(i heard from one persone that: if you are inviting for party it doesn't mean everybody should give a gifts. Oh, well I invited you for staying for 40 gifts???

I really don't know why they do it because when you share a gifts you also brings stars and starring bags from it. So if I waste my 10 gifts in good party i will back about 3-5 or 10 gifts. Yeah!

I don't know maybe they saving own gifts for guild but why i should pay for this? why i should be fooled?

The scamming problem is 100% self-made. Just don't exchange gifts in random parties. Ignore zone chat requests. To avoid all this scamming, only exchange gifts with guild/alliance members. There are always enough people who want to join in and scamming is reduced to a big fat zero. Honestly, I do not feel pity at all for anyone who falls for a scammer. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

so you want to tell that anyone who playing less then 1-2 months or whose guild haven't much members or haven't much people with enought gifts will do what? going to scammers or do not use his gifts at all?

There is always many people who don't know all scammers names and they shouldn't know it, because they came for event!

And one more this is not about winter festival only, it's about summer fest and exchange chat and guilds scammers when someone inviting for guild and ask some things to test for 1-2 days.

and if one year ago scammers only give a + to be invited for party so now they make own party. THEY WRITTING ALL THE DAY : 1-4 MORE FOR 10-20-40 GIFTS. Is it normal?

polaris1986 · January 2017

The way that some guilds operate, if there were a mechanism to single out one other player, it WOULD be used as a weapon.

if cryptics make this function for account wide? do you thing someone will use multie accounting for discredit one other? and dont moderators/support haven't a ability to find a cheat?

thefabricant · January 2017

The event is meant to be something fun you do with friends, it kind of makes me sad that people go to the effort of scamming 1 or 2 gifts about it, but it ALSO makes me sad that people get so upset about it. I did the festival this year, the same way I did it every year, get a group of 5 friends on day 1 who all agree to save the gifts on all their toons till the end of the festival and then all do it together. We don't all have the same number of toons, or the same number of gifts, some of us are giving substantially more than others, but it doesn't matter, it is something we are doing with friends, so who cares if 1 of your friends receives twice as much from you as you get from them, you all giving gifts at the end of the day and the focus shouldn't be so much on how much you give, but who you give it to.

asterotg · January 2017

kreatyve said:

asterotg said:
PS. Regarding the therms of service. If a rule like, we can do what we want for whatever reason or no reason at all would work, every contract in the world (when one person is in a stronger position) would read like 'I can do everything I like, you dont have any rights and you have to pay me XY'. They provide service in the EU, so European law gets applied to this 'rules'. Players are consumers, so there is a bunch of rules protecting them from one sided terms of service like that.

I completely agree with you on that one. As far as I've heard and seen, nobody has ever been permabanned while being completely innocent, though I know a lot of people who have been innocently temp banned (quite a few during last year's winter festival. )

Funny, that you mentioned it. Due to the fact, that MODs explained it in the forum I think, that this is not prohibited as a MOD discussion. They banned everyone who did get 20 or more free gifts on one account, bc there was a bug allowing ppl to claim free gifts multiple times. Guess who has 20 chars and did get banned for claiming one free gift on each character?^^

The point, when I had to shake my head bc I did not know if I should feel mad or pity them was, when I said, that they should write better scripts and CM answered, that they banned every account by hand. So someone banned hundreds of accounts with 20 or more characters bc the account claimed 20 or more free gifts and never had a moment of 'wait, he claimed 23 gifts on 23 chars, that should be ok'?

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