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Premade(5 man) Queue event?
kaudilho
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We already had solo and duo q events, can we have event with 5 man queue? So full premades won't get random or semi-random(2+3 players) teams against.
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"Why should one of us kill you when we all can?"
It has gotten to the point that most GOOD PuG PvPers will not leave the Spawn... when facing a premade. there is absolutley no reason to. Many of them will not honour a GG; many of them just want to stomp everyone into the ground.
I have been lucky enough to be on pug teams that were geared and skilled enough... to take down a premade. It has happened on more than one occasion... vs a few different PvP guilds.
To answer your question... if they can exploit a way to abuse they will. Forcing them into a premade 5 man queue will not make it better. FFS... there were guilds who were syncing the queue pops in the duo queue.
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But at the same time make sure it doesn't give preferential treatment to people that are friends, in the same guild or alliance to be on the same team.
This would certainly help games que faster and easier. That and you get to fight different comps and become better. At least this is how I see it.
As for the the topic at hand.. they definetly need to just make it official and make a 5v5 premade que system so you can avoid pugs. I know alot of people who say they don't want to fight pug groups and this will make them live up to what they were saying. Should be interesting if it ever becomes a thing.
Many times when you DO get against premades you dont stand a chance, because you get PUGs with 3k Ilevel, against premade with 4k+ ilevel on each player. The issue ISNT its a premade, its that any ONE of their players could likely 3v1 or 4v1 nearly your entire team.
Another reason I dislike this idea TODAY in NW is because the population is already so small, you will divide it even further. Creating this new "Que" will just result in the frustration of premades and it will result in NOONE wanting to run premades anymore. You might think "problem solved!" but truth be told a premade is the pinnacle of the game. The "top players" against "top players" what PVP is fundamentally built on. Doing this, kills premades and thus kills players who care about premades which results in more people quitting the game once a premade sits in que for 2 hours with no pop.
So why not address the source of the issue? The GEAR GAP. I wrote a detailed post about why this is the issue here:http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter/#/discussion/1223273/the-real-issue-with-pvp-and-what-cryptic-can-do-to-fix-it-it-isnt-premades
If you want to fix PVP, it starts there. Not with "new Que system".
maybe a tier system would work different tiers EG at 70
tier 1 2000 ilvl (and tenacity equivelent for the level) no one higher is allowed in that bracket gear cant be switched in game.
tier 2 3000 ilvl (and tenacity equivelent for the level)no one higher is allowed in that bracket gear cant be switched in game.
this sort of thing as then tenacity is at a set level for all, item level is averaging the same for everyone and its boils more down to skill and teamwork then what gear you have and fighting wayy lower geared people.
i know there's alot more to it then that but you get where im going.
These two things I suggest above would give both people what they REALLY want. If your tired of fighting premades you go to the solo que playlist and if you want que as a 5 man YOU KNOW you'll only get a premade. We will see how many good pvpers quit after that lol.
Its not only a gear issue its people abusing the system of q syncing solo que, being super competitive and only playing as premades.. which im not knocking well because we all want to win of course.... but there is no reason to internet bully solo people lol. That only makes them want to pvp less which in-turn kills pvp even further and they que up less often. Which is exactly how we got here with a SUPER TINY pvp population.
One of the biggest issues I see in premade groups is the use of overperfoming classes, most premades are running either 2 hrs (combat/trapper), 2 Trs (se) or 2 Gfs, these three are the most dominating classes because of piercing and massive encounter damage, yet they are the hardest to kill, perma shield or excellent dodge with steath and unreal deflection. I only have seen one guild running a true rainbow comp, while I am not a big fan of that guild at least they do it right.
for the record i have no problem or complaint being a lure if only to see an entire super skilled i dont kill noobs premade get stomped.
@trentbail21 I agree conceptually. I've seen the real colors of those who claim to be interested only in competition... Don't think I need to say more about that to anyone on here.
Cryptic is worried about splitting the PvP community into even smaller slices.
Instead, Cryptic should be focused on improving the PvP experience, bugs, broken mechanics, queue system, gear gap, maps, and leaderboard to increase the PvP population. It's not just one issue of 'gear gap' or 'premades' plaguing PvP in this game, its cumulative. Solo queuing into a game vs a premade is bad, but so is having 120k HP while getting 160k dunked by an attack that ignores game mechanics. Just check out all the threads on it, haha! In many scenarios, if you do not have a single specific armor enchantment (Trans Elven Battle) youre dead on arrival.
Lastly, it also takes a strong, dedicated effort on Cryptic's end to decide to do something about it.
> @trentbail21, Do you really think premade groups like having to queue up for a 30 second match and just sit around because the pugs called gg?
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> Yes. Because during that 30 seconds the premade group gets 10 - 15 kills and risks zero deaths. & at the end of the match they still get top tier rewards. If they run against another premade group, they have a 50-50 chance of losing.
I'm pretty sure the number of kills is usually much less than 10. Maybe you meant 10-15 minutes of standing around and trading caps?
I know where you're coming from but you're completely wrong. Premades do not want to fight pugs, they want to fight other premades who have a worse comp and slightly less skill than them so it still provides challenge.
Thats what they tell you crowdsourced but 90% of them just want to fight pugs. This is why you get people that que sync solo que and act like jerks to pug solo players in regular dom que. They say they want good games then they do this stuff. If you can't see my point im not sure what to tell you.
& only allow you to use your home node to cap, it usually only takes 5 mins to finish the match.
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> Thats what they tell you crowdsourced but 90% of them just want to fight pugs. This is why you get people that que sync solo que and act like jerks to pug solo players in regular dom que. They say they want good games then they do this stuff. If you can't see my point im not sure what to tell you.
They act like jerks because this is a video game and they have the power of anonymity and lack of consequence. I do see your point, they want a good game where they win, but not in a one minute match where they have to stand around for 15 minutes trading caps. This isn't 2014 anymore where the pugs put up a good fight and they can enjoy killing people. Most PVP guilds respect the rule of GG and stop fighting. They want to fight a 4-man PVP group or another full premade with a bad composition and lesser talented players.
BTW, most PvP guilds DO repect "GG"... but not for the reasons that you think. If the premades don't respect "GG", there are no rewards. If the pug players don't get SOME rewards, there is no way to get "better" at PvP. No rewards = no point, & they really don't want the pugs to give up completely. If the pugs go away, the premades will have to fight each other. When 2 premade teams fight, one of them loses.
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> > Thats what they tell you crowdsourced but 90% of them just want to fight pugs. This is why you get people that que sync solo que and act like jerks to pug solo players in regular dom que. They say they want good games then they do this stuff. If you can't see my point im not sure what to tell you.
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> They act like jerks because this is a video game and they have the power of anonymity and lack of consequence. I do see your point, they want a good game where they win, but not in a one minute match where they have to stand around for 15 minutes trading caps. This isn't 2014 anymore where the pugs put up a good fight and they can enjoy killing people. Most PVP guilds respect the rule of GG and stop fighting. They want to fight a 4-man PVP group or another full premade with a bad composition and lesser talented players.
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> The pugs don't put up a fight because we CAN'T fight back. The gear gap is too severe. When I face a premade, I run to node 2 with the rest of my team & get one-shot. Then I res & do it again. Rinse & repeat a few times. After one of the opposing team takes our home node we all go after the one guy sitting there. By the time i re-spawn, my whole team is dead. "GG" There is no way to fight that.
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> BTW, most PvP guilds DO repect "GG"... but not for the reasons that you think. If the premades don't respect "GG", there are no rewards. If the pug players don't get SOME rewards, there is no way to get "better" at PvP. No rewards = no point, & they really don't want the pugs to give up completely. If the pugs go away, the premades will have to fight each other. When 2 premade teams fight, one of them loses.
Agree with all of your points except for the last one. Premades want to face weaker premades. They do not want to face complete pugs.
Pc experience must be very different then the console experience of neverwinter. There is no such system of calling "GG" and the fighting stops. Only my friends let pugs cap flags. Everyone else just campfires them and makes them rage quit.