Dark Revelry?

mrshabok · October 2016

For HB Fury, is this better than taking the Damnation PoP feat? Both feats buff the party anyway. Xbox player getting ready for Mod 10.

fernuu · October 2016

For now, Damnation PoP feat only gives you +5 seconds of buff duration when you/teammate leave circle. The buff is applied anyway so Dark Revelry seems to be more useful

mrshabok · October 2016

Noted, makes sense. Thanks for the input Fernuu!

hadestemplar · October 2016

mrshabok said:
For HB Fury, is this better than taking the Damnation PoP feat? Both feats buff the party anyway. Xbox player getting ready for Mod 10.

Hi.
This dark reverly buff is really tempting one, 20% power boost.

But, now firstly thin about what it takes in order to have this buff enabled.
Firstly u are mainly fury tree and now want import this temptation feat.. Now thats mean u give up 15 feat points in order to have 5/5 Dark Revelry feat. The points which u could spent for other fury feats which would boost your damage.

Next, Dark Revelry is not 100% up all time. In order trigger Dark Revelry buff, u need firstly perform life stealing, and even then there is chance to enable this buff.

I think firstly u decide what u want to be, either assist party with buffs or be dps.
If u want assist party/guild/alliance then better go tempt/damanation buid, and u will have mid dps, buffs/debuffs and healing.
If u want be dps, then u go fury/damnation.
In preview server i mixed fury + Dark Revelry and in the end it was not impressive at all. it had mid dps, mid life stealing. More less, neither proper support, neither proper striker.

But in the end its up for u. if u want you build even fury/dam/temp hybrid

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whyrat · October 2016

One downside is that it doesn't stack though. Two SW running dark revelry can't both add power? Unlike some DC power buff abilities...

kraven · October 2016

Another thing to consider is that dark revelry will boost only your base power (mostly item power, not buffs), correct?

mrshabok · October 2016

@kraven Yeah it will only boost base power. @etelgrin My life steal hits 14k with companion's gift so not too worried about proccing. @bloodyspamer You only get one extra Fury feat if you take PoP in Damnation. Are you all feats in Fury? If so, how much do those feats actually contribute?

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mrshabok · October 2016

etelgrin said:

whyrat said:
One downside is that it doesn't stack though. Two SW running dark revelry can't both add power? Unlike some DC power buff abilities...
It stack from multiple SWs, you can check it on the tiamat run we did I think there were more SWs than just me running it.

I'm thinking this may be the way to go then. Honestly I'm not in love with any feats from Fury that I'd be missing, except maybe offering to the prisoner? Which is 5 percent sometimes, vs potentially greater than 5 percent from the power boost. It's virutally impossible to test anything thoroughly on console, as even the combat logs are cumbserome and would take hours to go through one fight. Because of this, I'm legitimately curious how useful the skipped Fury feats are by comparison.

hadestemplar · October 2016

mrshabok said:
@kraven Yeah it will only boost base power. @etelgrin My life steal hits 14k with companion's gift so not too worried about proccing. @bloodyspamer You only get one extra Fury feat if you take PoP in Damnation. Are you all feats in Fury? If so, how much do those feats actually contribute?

I actually now play with Temptation HB.

If want stay HB fury, then damnation feat Power of nine h33l is better option.. Why? because without that feat, if u step outside PoP effect area, u instantly lose its buff. Also standing still is not best way for fury warlock.

And even if u go with damnation feat to buf PoP, u still get 5 extra feat points. For either Brutal Curse, Infernal Wrath, Helltouched Or other ones.

If u go with Dark revelry + Power of nine h33l feat combo. than u literally give up on fury tree. And become fury/dam/temp hybrid. And your dps will not be shining one

In preview server when I tested my warlock builds, and after some combination I come to conclusion that it's not worthed get this temptation buff if u are hellbringer warlock. For soulbinder is other matter...

etelgrin said:

It stack from multiple SWs, you can check it on the tiamat run we did I think there were more SWs than just me running it.

I doubting about that.. I am temptation HB, and have other guild mate also temptation HB. And we did testings.. In buff bar it show up that Dark revelry stacked, but there where no power boost at all.
So more less during tiamat fight u received someone others buffing.

fernuu · October 2016

I've ~7% life steal and DR is popping all the time. The reason of that is LS triggers from damage over time so it's constantly stealing from creeping death.

hadestemplar · October 2016

fernuu said:
I've ~7% life steal and DR is popping all the time. The reason of that is LS triggers from damage over time so it's constantly stealing from creeping death.

U don't even need Creeping Death feat.. Enough to add to overload slot > Greater red dragon glyph, or any other which dragon glyph who have DoT.

Or u can go by simply using power with effect of DoT. For example, Hadar grasp, warlock bargain, even harrowstorm, Wraith of shadow, DT is good ones to trigger Life steal..
And best of encounters are BoVa. Because every blade from this power hit enemy = chance life steal and = chance trigger DR.
When I fight orcus in CN, I use WB + PoP + HG and its not like most of time I have DR enabled. But when I fight other bosses and other enemies, due BoVa I can have DR buff up for 80%~ of my fight time.

To be frankly it is reason why I still stay temptation over fury build. Because I have higher survivability rates, + I can keep DR up for most of my time. + other temptation feats benefits.

But when I go with fury build, I prefer go with High dps, over mid dps with chance to get DR buff..

fernuu · October 2016

All of those power you mentioned (HG, WB, HS, WS, DT, BoVA) are not good to maximize DPS as Fury :P
Point is, with DR your DPS is actually higher than without it. You miss only underperforming MF and Infernal Wrath that might be useful.

hadestemplar · October 2016

fernuu said:
All of those power you mentioned (HG, WB, HS, WS, DT, BoVA) are not good to maximize DPS as Fury :P
Point is, with DR your DPS is actually higher than without it. You miss only underperforming MF and Infernal Wrath that might be useful.

I wrote them as examples which powers/stuffs can trigger life stealing.

As for DR, well that I was trying to explain, that by obtaining DR u give up some fury feats which could give dps boost.
Also that if u want support party/guild/alliance with DR, simply build temptation warlock. If u want be fury, then focus on dps role rather than try be support...

fernuu · October 2016

Point is, Fury with DR and PoP still deals massive amount of damage and gives a lot buff. Temptation doesn't buff really more (well, does not buff even same) and the only benefit is unreliable heal

d3athw3asel · October 2016

So if one was to do this build with DR and PoP what would be the recomended feats for the build?

Do you just not take the damnation feats? I currently follow your build @fernuu

hadestemplar · October 2016

fernuu said:
Point is, Fury with DR and PoP still deals massive amount of damage and gives a lot buff. Temptation doesn't buff really more (well, does not buff even same) and the only benefit is unreliable heal

Aura of cruelity = lfie steal buff.
aura of despair = reduce enemies damage output. Or reverse view side. temptation buff your damage ressitance..

Can add Soul Breaker. Which where good in old ~ mod 6.

Temptation is mixture of all 3 DC builds> Virtuous, Faithful and Righteous. And since its mixture, it don't have long buff list..

Temptation job to do all 3 stuffs in same time.. But coolest part is his aoe heal, aoe buff, aoe debuff..

fernuu · October 2016

bloodyspamer said:

fernuu said:
Point is, Fury with DR and PoP still deals massive amount of damage and gives a lot buff. Temptation doesn't buff really more (well, does not buff even same) and the only benefit is unreliable heal
Aura of cruelity = lfie steal buff.
aura of despair = reduce enemies damage output. Or reverse view side. temptation buff your damage ressitance..
Can add Soul Breaker. Which where good in old ~ mod 6.

Temptation is mixture of all 3 DC builds> Virtuous, Faithful and Righteous. And since its mixture, it don't have long buff list.. Temptation job to do all 3 stuffs in same time.. But coolest part is his aoe heal, aoe buff, aoe debuff..

Auras and Soul Breaker doesn't buff damage output. The only thing buffing here is Dark Revelry.
I know it buffs survivability and support heals but mostly it's just not needed. Try CN as solo heal with 1 GF tank and you will know what I'm talking about.

d3athw3asel said:
So if one was to do this build with DR and PoP what would be the recomended feats for the build?

Do you just not take the damnation feats? I currently follow your build @fernuu

That's what I'm using currently. It buffs same as my previous build but buff of PoP doesn't last when you leave circle. Doable and easy.

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kraven · October 2016

I also use a similar build, but i took one point from brutal curse and put it into Murderous Flames because I thought one point was worth turning killing flames into an AOE.

schietindebux · October 2016

etelgrin said:

fernuu said:

bloodyspamer said:

fernuu said:
Point is, Fury with DR and PoP still deals massive amount of damage and gives a lot buff. Temptation doesn't buff really more (well, does not buff even same) and the only benefit is unreliable heal
Aura of cruelity = lfie steal buff.
aura of despair = reduce enemies damage output. Or reverse view side. temptation buff your damage ressitance..
Can add Soul Breaker. Which where good in old ~ mod 6.

Temptation is mixture of all 3 DC builds> Virtuous, Faithful and Righteous. And since its mixture, it don't have long buff list.. Temptation job to do all 3 stuffs in same time.. But coolest part is his aoe heal, aoe buff, aoe debuff..
Auras and Soul Breaker doesn't buff damage output. The only thing buffing here is Dark Revelry.
I know it buffs survivability and support heals but mostly it's just not needed. Try CN as solo heal with 1 GF tank and you will know what I'm talking about.
d3athw3asel said:
So if one was to do this build with DR and PoP what would be the recomended feats for the build?

Do you just not take the damnation feats? I currently follow your build @fernuu

That's what I'm using currently. It buffs same as my previous build but buff of PoP doesn't last when you leave circle. Doable and easy.
the only real question about fernu build is if Brutal Curse > Murderous Flames for sure?

Running Hellbringer your WC is up all time (Soulbinder spamming SS consumes WC).
It´s a 10% damageincrease, compared to a 30% plus from MF. I am sure MF can´t hold against a 10 % over all damageincrease.
But what about infernal wrath vs Helltouched?

hadestemplar · October 2016

fernuu said:

Auras and Soul Breaker doesn't buff damage output. The only thing buffing here is Dark Revelry.
I know it buffs survivability and support heals but mostly it's just not needed. Try CN as solo heal with 1 GF tank and you will know what I'm talking about.

U mean try be primary or single healer in CN?
Well it's no big deal, have been in such possition lot of times. And even if party have heal DC, in the end when I check statistics usually I am on top by healing.

Also been in party when we clear CN without having GF or OP. dps Gwf and my companion tanked, while I healed+buff+debufed +dps. And it where not so bad at all. And group where not top 4k players.

Remember that not all in neverwinter having top end/maxed gears, legendary mounts, myth arti sets and so one.
For example take 4k destro gwf and clear eToS solo. And latter that gwf in forum write that no need support/tank in that dungeon. From his view side, he is right. Because he maxed and have such capability. But from other mainstream players view side? They would call that gwf's advice go solo in that dungeon more less as drunk guys nonsenses.

fernuu · October 2016

Murderous Flames is pure 30% of BASE Killing Flames hit (it's not affected by any buffs, even those hitting Killing Flames) so it's really underperforming. It's like 8-12% of Killing Flames and I use it only on bosses - on AoE I switch it to Fiery Bolt so it's like 20% of time on my tray, while as @schietindebux mentioned Brutal Curse is pure 10% increase.

I prefer Helltouched to boost my damage even more but if you want to make team buffs Infernal Wrath might be slightly better.

@bloodyspamer - I know you can top every heals, it's just that heals are unreliable as you mostly heal tiny stuff + some spikes on SS (and maybe KF) while DC/OP can burst damage all the time.

It's true about what you saying that majority of players are badly geared. But the question was to maximize, not do it good so beginners can deal good

hadestemplar · October 2016

fernuu said:
Murderous Flames is pure 30% of BASE Killing Flames hit (it's not affected by any buffs, even those hitting Killing Flames) so it's really underperforming. It's like 8-12% of Killing Flames and I use it only on bosses - on AoE I switch it to Fiery Bolt so it's like 20% of time on my tray, while as @schietindebux mentioned Brutal Curse is pure 10% increase.

I prefer Helltouched to boost my damage even more but if you want to make team buffs Infernal Wrath might be slightly better.

@bloodyspamer - I know you can top every heals, it's just that heals are unreliable as you mostly heal tiny stuff + some spikes on SS (and maybe KF) while DC/OP can burst damage all the time.

It's true about what you saying that majority of players are badly geared. But the question was to maximize, not do it good so beginners can deal good

And how heals are unreliable ? I heal mostly with BoVa and every blade hit from that encounters trigger life stealing, on top add PoP damaging and Overload sloted Red dragon glyph with apply DoT which all its effect time life stealing and restoring HP. And if I got in situation when I need go more healing I simply use vampiric embrace. Which give instant burst Heal.

I have heal DC, and know what heal DC can and what it can't.
For example sure with heal dc u can in divine mode drop x3 bastion of health, and them empowered one. Which heal a lot. But. It's area radius is limitation. For example u have party of 5 players. 2 are in side , 1 in other side, and last 1 lets say dead.
U choose which group u will heal with bastion of health, or divine glow, or even Healing Words, or other healing power.

While with temptation I don't have to choose. Everyone in my range are healed in same amount. Thats mean like u would take bastion of health with instant aoe without requirement to target area where to heal.
Thats why temptation is great when comes large group healing.

Now to be fair temptation warlock also have flaws. One is simple. If there are no monsters which u can hit and trigger life steal/leech HP. Simply u can't heal. But there is almost no area in dungeons where u would not find >Victim< from which u gona drain HP.

And also I am not top temptation HB in game.. I met players who do heal even more.. Only because they have more higher arp, crit, power than mine warlock. So healing factor for me rises by doing dps. And I still do have room to improve in that. And not healing only but dps vise too.

d3athw3asel · October 2016

fernuu said:

bloodyspamer said:

fernuu said:
Point is, Fury with DR and PoP still deals massive amount of damage and gives a lot buff. Temptation doesn't buff really more (well, does not buff even same) and the only benefit is unreliable heal
Aura of cruelity = lfie steal buff.
aura of despair = reduce enemies damage output. Or reverse view side. temptation buff your damage ressitance..
Can add Soul Breaker. Which where good in old ~ mod 6.

Temptation is mixture of all 3 DC builds> Virtuous, Faithful and Righteous. And since its mixture, it don't have long buff list.. Temptation job to do all 3 stuffs in same time.. But coolest part is his aoe heal, aoe buff, aoe debuff..
Auras and Soul Breaker doesn't buff damage output. The only thing buffing here is Dark Revelry.
I know it buffs survivability and support heals but mostly it's just not needed. Try CN as solo heal with 1 GF tank and you will know what I'm talking about.
d3athw3asel said:
So if one was to do this build with DR and PoP what would be the recomended feats for the build?

Do you just not take the damnation feats? I currently follow your build @fernuu

That's what I'm using currently. It buffs same as my previous build but buff of PoP doesn't last when you leave circle. Doable and easy.

So @fernuu would it be viable to give up some Fury feats to take Power of the Nine He11s and Dark Revelry? Was thinking of giving this a try but not sure how bad my damage would be

fernuu · October 2016

@d3athw3asel you simply can't - you will lose Creeping Death if you give up even one more point on posted build.

elu · October 2016

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Wait... are you saying you/team receive the 5 second buff even without speccing into damnation?> @fernuu said:
> For now, Damnation PoP feat only gives you +5 seconds of buff duration when you/teammate leave circle. The buff is applied anyway so Dark Revelry seems to be more useful

@fernuu are you saying you/team receive the 5 second buff without even needing to spec into damnation

d3athw3asel · October 2016

@elu no you need to spec into damnation for the +5 sec buff. He was saying that not speccing that and choosing Dark Revelry in the temptation tree is better. That 20% power buff is nice. Plus DR buffs nearby allies.

I currently run this spec and its AMAZING. Just have to stay in your circle which is not a big deal.

fernuu · October 2016

@elu yeah, I meant that if party members stays in circle they receive buff even without damnation path

hadestemplar · October 2016

elu#2770 said:
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Wait... are you saying you/team receive the 5 second buff even without speccing into damnation?> @fernuu said:

> For now, Damnation PoP feat only gives you +5 seconds of buff duration when you/teammate leave circle. The buff is applied anyway so Dark Revelry seems to be more useful

@fernuu are you saying you/team receive the 5 second buff without even needing to spec into damnation

U misunderstand him.

BY wiki

Damage buff provided by Pillar of Power encounter now lasts for 1/2/3/4/5 seconds after you leave its area, and allies can now receive 10/20/30/40/50% of the buffs effect.

Party members still can receive PoP buff effect, regardless if u have or not have Damnation feats. However, once they step outside PoP effect area, they lose buff. Same goes for your warlock. Once u are out of PoP area you lose buff.
This damnation feat gives PoP buff duration of 5s, when your warlock or party members leave PoP effect area.

So any HB can buff party members anyway.

Dark Revelry?

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