Unfair game play for the Control Wizards

texasrebel1967 · August 2016

The Control Wizards have the worst sats in this game I love my CW but while everyone is getting buffed with this and that the CWs are left out in the cold. we die so easily we are the slowest running charter in the game.and pvp is just horriable to play the tricksters ignore our ice terrain and our spells are so slow while im standing there trying to cast stealo time in the middle of my ice terrain a trickster just runs up on me and slices away dead again or the hunter ranger fires of a stream of arrows so fast I cant even regroup dead again sometimes even getting base HAMSTER to the point I just stop playing and stand in my respawn so I can try and hope and pray my team can win so I can turn in the quest fight to the finsh (witch we have to win) to the master of coin. we use to stand half a chance to do so before Neverwinter denuffed the pallys bubble. Who are not even any good for clerics anymore most of the pallysi have seen have gone to buffing tanks so why are they still categorized as a healer and clerics working as buffers instead of healers like they are suppose to be all this is so messed up I get into a epic dungon and we don't even have a cleric almost half the time I personly don't need buffing I need healing as CWs we don't take damage well at all and the pallys use to be able to help us live through the dungon play, my point is stop HAMSTER the game up so bad because of one type of play style player is complaining about not being able to dominate a room and work the whole picture in genral so all can play fairly. Stop showing favertizem plz.

kvet · August 2016

You use steal time in PvP? Huh.

I understand your point, I really do, but if you are in pvp with the same rotation that you use in PvE and without any pvp gear (tenacity) - then you're in for a rough ride. If you are anything under 4K IL with all boons - it's rough, but if you are PvE geared as well, mostly you're nothing but a moving target dummy.

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playasinnombre · August 2016

morenthar said:
This is why I hate many CW players.

CWs are still lethal in PvP and they are currently abusing the hell out of the Repel->Ice Knife combination.

Great dodges, a powerful shield.

The best ones build defensively. If you don't build defensively you will get slaughtered. Like everyone else with control abilities you will suffer, especially as a CW, if they are your focus. Find your control indirectly via Repel.

Again, remember Repel->Ice Knife. That's what I see most out there. There are other load outs but that seems most popular these days.

Ugh... CW's dodge is the suck, at least for me. When my toon dodges, I pause for 1/2 a second at he end of the teleport. This has gotten me killed so many times.

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emilemo · August 2016

The PVP wizards I meet pretty much juggle my toon with the precision of a circus performer. I can barely stay on a node

emilemo · August 2016

texasrebel1967#5048 said:
this conversation is getting way off track here my post was suppose to be about the control wizard being the slowest running carater in the game and we cant get our fight in or keep up with team mates that just leave us behind to find for ourselves.then we start getting taged teamemed and no one is around to help

That is an issue with the party. It has nothing to do with class balance for once. If you absolutely dont want to be the victim of such circumstances best play in premades with friends.

opalsuns · August 2016

I 100% disagree with the OP.

I am a PvP CW and I will flat out tell you that your issues in PvP are solely related to your path, feats, gear, powers, class features, insignias, boons, rotation, and skill.

I do not run with a DC.
There is practically no one in PvP that can take me down in a true 1v1 in Domination on a node, and I can take a beating from high IL 2v1 or 3v1 in most cases to protect the node in order to wait on my teammates to get there to work together.

And I am fast.

My build and everything about it is not based off anyone else's spec. It took me months and trial and error to figure it out.

All I can say is, you're doing it wrong.

trentbail21 · August 2016

Wizards are very strong if you utilize your push and daily well. You may not be able to kill much but then again its a CONTROL wizard. If anyone has it harder then you its SW's and GWF's.

mamalion1234 · August 2016

I Am Playing master of flame which is weak to resist controls ( comparing to maelstorm cc breaker) and enchant with a good enchant with weakness negation need to get 10 hit to get the full benefits.

BUT still i see even that way i can be competitive using effectively our very good encounters-dailies.
Especially our roots can mess elven bunny hoppers users( think nothing catch them and jumpimg in front me )

mamalion1234 · August 2016

A funny moment had yesterday enemy combat hr to flame the repel and they cant look to the mirror when fill the nodes with piercing damage and debuffs( plant growth-thorn ward)

taitinhakkaaja · August 2016

CW hard class to play in pvp? Lol.. Try sw. It should be really easy since we got "buffs" recently

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forumnamesuxs · September 2016

If you are doing it only for conqueror shards, then I suggest you move your farming to icewind dale. Black ice domination (BID) first phase victory completes the conq shards quest, assuming you are in the pvp zone when that phase ends. I assume there are more people than you in your guild, so just have your guildies help you look for it. If you already found it once, it's easy to keep track of when it will spawn next time in that instance. For Dwarven Valley, next BID starts 60 minutes after second phase ends. In Icewind Pass it's 90 minutes after second phase ends. However, the daily quest reset seem to mess with the spawn timers, and if the instance becomes empty, that too will mess with the timers. Icewind Pass seem to be like the most unreliable map to track BID on, so it's probably best to stick to Dwarven Valley. However, there's a particular guild you will most likely become very acquainted with that likes to lurk there, and ruin everyone's day in Dwarven Valley, equipped with everything they can exploit, because this is the only way they can win anything in this game. Don't worry too much though, you'll quickly learn which faction they tend to show up as, and they are only active a couple hours every day anyway.

Example: BID spawns in Dwarven Valley instance #1, you go in, cap all the nodes, and if you're lucky you won't be bothered too much, and you win the domination phase. Voila, quest completed. Now, to be sure about when the next one starts, so your guildies who missed it can get their victory, you make sure the motherloard is mined dry, effectively ending the mining phase. It's the time of day when this phase ends you need to make a note of, and which instance you are in, to keep track on next BID.

Sorry if I'm over explaining this, but I just want to avoid misunderstandings.

kvet · September 2016

I didn't know that about BID. Holy HAMSTER... That's good to know. I've been wanting to know a way to predict BID since M3 dropped. Thanks for that!

On CW being slow... all toons. ALL have equal movement speeds. Allow me to repeat that - base movement for all toons is THE SAME.

GWF and SW can sprint for short durations. The rest of us can use boons and Darks and gear to boost Movement equally. Some classes have feats that boost movement temporarily as well (CW has one, for example).

My main is a CW. I frequently outrun my team. Not always - but often. CW is not the slowest class - you just have the think about speed is all. Pally has the fewest movement boosting opportunities - so if I had to name the slowest one, it would be that one not CW.

As to respec for PvP. I don't see a problem. If your focus is on the pvp game mode, then your build will reflect that, vice versa for PvE. You will never excell in pvp with a PvE build - but as long as you can switch some powers and have pvp gear, you will do well enough to pick up a win. May take a few tries, but you can do it.

Conversely, a pvp build is not optimal for PvE, but it will do just fine.

So... Just give it a rest and learn to play your class instead of QQ.

vteasy · September 2016

wow,,,just wow

wintersmoke · September 2016

vteasy said:
wow,,,just wow

ikr

beckylunatic · September 2016

I am a pretty scrub-level player in PvP. I have more success on CW than any other class. I use a PvE build in PvP (and only in Black Ice Dom or while solo queue was running), but my PvP powers set-up only keeps 1 daily (Ice Knife), 1 at-will (Ray of Frost), and 1 encounter (Icy Terrain) the same as my PvE powers. All the rest, I change out because my character's role in PvP is to control players off a node, not to AoE DPS. My boon choices are split between offense and defense, and I use a number of powerful heals on insignia bonuses. I change into PvP equipment including wards (ty Boozehall market), and I own a perfect Elven Battle enchant that I slot on any character I'm taking into PvP to fight with.

Don't walk in without changing anything and expect that you're going to do well. Steal Time *is* too slow to cast in PvP... so *don't*. Learn from your experiences. Learn from watching some recent videos of CW PvP gameplay.

kvet said:
GWF and SW can sprint for short durations. The rest of us can use boons and Darks and gear to boost Movement equally. Some classes have feats that boost movement temporarily as well (CW has one, for example).

Some classes can also slot class features that boost their movement speed, but that's at the expense of a class feature slot. And some feats are permanent speed boosts.

kvet · September 2016

beckylunatic said:

Some classes can also slot class features that boost their movement speed, but that's at the expense of a class feature slot. And some feats are permanent speed boosts.

Right. My point is that there are ways to boost speed if you want to build for speed, but you can't say that any given class is inherently slow.

bedwyer · September 2016

texasrebel1967#5048 said:
so you just confirmed what i said ealier i would have to completely respect my guy and evrything to be any use in pvp thankyou for comfraiming that for me use have just strengthened my point there5
opalsuns said:
I 100% disagree with the OP.

I am a PvP CW and I will flat out tell you that your issues in PvP are solely related to your path, feats, gear, powers, class features, insignias, boons, rotation, and skill.

I do not run with a DC.

There is practically no one in PvP that can take me down in a true 1v1 in Domination on a node, and I can take a beating from high IL 2v1 or 3v1 in most cases to protect the node in order to wait on my teammates to get there to work together.

And I am fast.

My build and everything about it is not based off anyone else's spec. It took me months and trial and error to figure it out.

All I can say is, you're doing it wrong.

Yes, you are doing it wrong...CW for those with the patience to change when it's needed is one of the most fun to play imho. You get free respecs in winterfest, save them up. Winterfest is still a ways off though. You only have to respect to pve if IF you just have to be at the top of the dps during your 1 thousandth epic demo or 1001 CN run...

bedwyer · September 2016

However, in regards to your original statement...there is one thing on an ITEM I would like to see changed vs CW chill stacks...The Elven Battle Enchantment sheds chill entirely too fast and our damage is directly related to chill stacks. Keep the CC debuff, that's cool, but dang it give us the bonus for chill stacks and you might see other combo's and not just repel, ice knife, disintegrate...rinse, wash, repeat...I would dearly like to be able to use some other combo's...but our damage is lacking against fully geared and booned players. Yes, we crush under geared players very easily and they in turn hate pvp...maybe they should take out tenacity altogether just to put pve'ers in a happy place...idk, but the solo queue seemed to help out people like this CW a lot.

Unfair game play for the Control Wizards

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