Maze Engine Campaign Store armor transmute sets

two30 · September 2016

I'm really disappointed in the armor transmute sets that are being sold in the Maze Engine Campaign Store.
1. These were supposed to be unlocks and reclaimable for free after the initial cost. They aren't. Buy one of the sets for 4000, 5000 or 6000 Alliance Supplies. Try to claim it a second time. Sorry, you don't have enough Alliance Supplies.
2. They're Bind to Account, but they are class-specific. There's nothing in the items' names or descriptions that indicates each pack only works for a specific class. There are other packs in the game that give you items tailored for your class. These don't. If you buy the Elemental Fire pack on an Oathbound Paladin and transfer it to your Control Wizard, when your Control Wizard opens the pack, he or she receives unusable Oathbound Paladin transmutes.

oldbaldyone · September 2016

The transmutes should also be flagged as free appearance change.

beckylunatic · September 2016

Well then, none of this is working the way @commanderander indicated it would. I was very much under the impression that if I unlocked a set with one character (assuming they worked as unlocks), I'd be able to transfer the box to a character of another class and get their correct equipment when opening it, therefore only having to unlock each set one time. Once per class? Kittens. If each set cost around 10 quests and each weapon/neck was 1-2 quests, that's about where my threshold would be for acceptable time investment, if this is how it actually works.

Also, every single item ought to be tagged with a free appearance change considering that's all they're good for and the amount of work involved in obtaining them, but many are not.

lirithiel · September 2016

Many are not? Every transmute I bought from the ME vendor so far had a 5k AD cost involved. Didn't think there were any with a free appearance change.

However, I have noticed discrepancies in the tradebar store, where the HR Sinister weapons don't have a free appearance change, yet the same ones for the other classes do.

None of the sets for HR, GF or GWF appeal to me (didn't like any of them back then either), but there are a few that I like for TR.

commanderander · September 2016

Regarding the sets being reclaimable, they should become reclaimable once you open the box. If that doesn't work, let me know.

beckylunatic · September 2016

No comment on this?

Technically speaking, the armor set unlock itself is per-character, but the box you get is bound to account, so it can be transferred to different characters. This is true for main hand, off-hand, and neck pieces.

Like Dragonflight and Underdark gear, you can view and purchase gear for any class, so (in my specific case), I could unlock the Warlock Hammerstone Transmute on my DC, and transfer the box onto my warlock to use.

Maybe I need to review the store interface again. Unlock the reclaim and then be able to buy a box for any class? Not so intuitive.

two30 · September 2016

beckylunatic said:
Maybe I need to review the store interface again. Unlock the reclaim and then be able to buy a box for any class? Not so intuitive.

It only unlocks that specific class' box. I had transferred the box purchased by an Oathbound Paladin to a Control Wizard and opened the box. Now the Oathbound Paladin has nothing unlocked and the Control Wizard has 1 Oathbound Paladin box unlocked. I assume that I can reclaim the box on the Control Wizard and transfer it to the Oathbound Paladin and thereby unlock that Oathbound Paladin box on both characters, but I haven't tested this.

beckylunatic · September 2016

Yeah... @commanderander I don't think it is all that helpful to be able to transfer your DC's box to your warlock if it still gives equipment for the DC.

two30 · September 2016

beckylunatic said:
I don't think it is all that helpful to be able to transfer your DC's box to your warlock if it still gives equipment for the DC.

Well, you can buy the DC box with your warlock. My mistake was assuming that because the more expensive boxes (5000 supplies or 6000 supplies) appeared identical in both name and description across all classes, that they were in fact identical and cross-class. I overestimated the developers. They could have properly labeled each pack as "Control Wizard's Box of Two-Month Grind", "Devoted Cleric's Box of Two-Month Grind", etc. Instead the developers labeled them all "Box of Two-Month Grind That You Might Think Is Cross-Class But You Won't Know Until You Open It and Feel Disappointed In Us".

oldbaldyone · September 2016

Maybe they should take a few seconds and test these things out, or allow players to. i don't think any of this was testable on preview....not that anyone would have ground out the insanely redundant number of quests to try it.

It's stuff like this, simple things that had to be implemented int eh most confusing, time hungry way possible, that makes players lose trust.

beckylunatic · September 2016

two30 said:
Well, you can buy the DC box with your warlock. My mistake was assuming that because the more expensive boxes (5000 supplies or 6000 supplies) appeared identical in both name and description across all classes, that they were in fact identical and cross-class. I overestimated the developers.

The dev post I have pasted into this thread expressly stated that it would be possible to unlock a set once on your account and then transfer a claimed box to any character to use. If the box always drops class-specific equipment, then the ability to transfer the box is quite thoroughly useless except in cases where one has multiple same-class alts. But that's not how we were told it would function. There is no overestimation here. The store is working differently than how we were told it would.

And it is absolutely correct that there was no way we were testing the unlocks on preview. Nobody is going to grind out the same thing twice over to make sure that it works the way we think it should, though apparently we ought to be doing just that.

commanderander · September 2016

Hey everyone,

It was always our intention that the armor purchases in the Maze Engine were class-specific. Our goal was that you could use your main character to get boxes for your other characters, not that purchasing one armor set for one class would unlock them all. Each of the boxes says that it unlocks that specific box as a reclaimable once it's opened. I'm sorry if I said things that made this unclear, it's on me to make sure that something like that is clearer in the future.

That being said, I can see where everyone is confused regarding whether or not the packs are unlocked per class or if purchasing one unlocks all other boxes for all other classes. We'll put in a text change that makes sure it's clearer that the buying and unlocking the boxes only unlocks armor for that specific class and not the same armor for other classes.

... Just kidding.

Our current plan is that we will make purchasing one armor package unlock that same armor package for all classes. If you buy and open the Elemental Air Armor Package for an Oathbound Paladin, you can reclaim the Elemental Air Armor Package for all other classes, free of charge, and transfer them to your other characters. You'll have to do this by going to the other armor section on the Gauntlgrym Supplier.

I can't give a definitive time regarding when this change will be pushed to the live servers, but I will give you all updates if anything regarding this plan has to change course.

Thank you all for your feedback!

beckylunatic · September 2016

Whichever deity has fashion as a portfolio, thank them.

oldbaldyone · September 2016

@commanderander

Can you PLEASE make these items free appearance change while you are at it? These items were designed as transmutes, and should be a free transmute. 5k AD on top of the quest grind to get them seems unreasonable. Won't affect everyone, but some people (new players especially), this will stop them from getting it.

Also:

PLEASE!!!! Add Draconic Templar Gear!!! There are other missing sets, but this gear I would give my left arm for especially. It kills me every time I go on preview and see my toon with it there.

Thank you.

two30 · September 2016

commanderander said:
Our current plan is that we will make purchasing one armor package unlock that same armor package for all classes. If you buy and open the Elemental Air Armor Package for an Oathbound Paladin, you can reclaim the Elemental Air Armor Package for all other classes, free of charge, and transfer them to your other characters. You'll have to do this by going to the other armor section on the Gauntlgrym Supplier.

I can't give a definitive time regarding when this change will be pushed to the live servers, but I will give you all updates if anything regarding this plan has to change course.

Thank you.

Maze Engine Campaign Store armor transmute sets

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