TR smoke bomb first strike glitch

zerogravityv0 · July 2016

If a TR smokes bombs and uses shocking executioner right after they do not lose first strike. Every pvp TR uses this on xbox right now and needs to be fixed ASAP.

zerogravityv0 · July 2016

They are ably to hit over 190k without fray

someonedies · August 2016

"First strike fix" will kill that class.

I think TRs are fine where they are.

trentbail21 · August 2016

@someonedies
So.. to make sure you are understanding us correctly.. on xbox every single rogue is an executioner rogue and is exploiting a glitch with the dunk. They hit you with a smoke bomb then quickly stealth and cast shocking execution before the first tick of the smoke bomb does damage (for some reason the stun from the smoke bomb doesn't break first strike which is ridiculous) and they hit for like 160k.. then about 5 seconds later you get hit for another 80k with shadow of demise. How is that fair again?

@zerogravityv0
Its not necessarily first strike that is broken although i believe it could be turned down. That first stun of the smoke bomb needs to break the first strike. Hi zero this is Trent btw =D.

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someonedies · August 2016

trentbail21 said:
@someonedies
So.. to make sure you are understanding us correctly.. on xbox every single rogue is an executioner rogue and is exploiting a glitch with the dunk. They hit you with a smoke bomb then quickly stealth and cast shocking execution before the first tick of the smoke bomb does damage (for some reason the stun from the smoke bomb doesn't break first strike which is ridiculous) and they hit for like 160k.. then about 5 seconds later you get hit for another 80k with shadow of demise. How is that fair again?

Yeah that's annoying.
But it's not just the "First Strike".
EXE: we also have "Shadowborn" + "Arterial Cut", not just Executioner Capstone.

But here the problem is in the "Smoke Bomb", right? link

macjae said:
Smoke Bomb has a lot of issues it comes with, though. First Strike not applying is secondary to a couple of other things.

The most important in PvP terms is that Smoke Bomb isn't always visible at first, which means you often can't tell whether you're in the area or not, so you can get screwed without knowing what hit you.

The second most important thing is that it's an especially strong cc effect in PvP because the duration isn't affected by Tenacity. Ideally, to reflect the effect that Tenacity has on all other cc effects, the duration should be shortened by about 40-45%, or players should be given immunity to the daze from Smoke Bomb after being affected by it.

Fix those things first, then First Strike can apply.

trentbail21 · August 2016

You completely didnt read our post at all or just didnt understand it. We are saying that the initial stun from the smoke bomb needs to break their first strike so they cant cheese and get a first strike shadow of demise dunk. I guess they aren't doing this on pc because you guys kick people out your pvp guilds for being cheesy with rings and exploits buts a very different world here on xbox.

someonedies · August 2016

trentbail21 said:
You completely didnt read our post at all or just didnt understand it. We are saying that the initial stun from the smoke bomb needs to break their first strike so they cant cheese and get a first strike shadow of demise dunk. I guess they aren't doing this on pc because you guys kick people out your pvp guilds for being cheesy with rings and exploits buts a very different world here on xbox.

I get it but it's not the "First Strike" bug.

Smoke Bomb is the buggy thing.

@amenar @panderus @terramak @strumslinger @rrshendev Can you add this bug to your internal database?

trentbail21 · August 2016

@someonedies

Ya they just need to make it so even "non damaging" things like control or in this case the smoke bombs initial stun takes away the "first strike" and the problem will be completely fixed.

zerogravityv0 · August 2016

Yep as long as smoke bomb takes away their first strike when used it will be fixed.

trentbail21 · August 2016

zerogravityv0 said:
Yep as long as smoke bomb takes away their first strike when used it will be fixed.

If it did we would get dunked for like 80k and demised for 40.. that wouldn't even get close to killing me lol. =D

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ghoulz66 · August 2016

First Strike doesn't affect Dailies like WoB?

someonedies · August 2016

To be honest, Flail Snail TR doesn't really care about smokebomb, firststrike or something else.

Five SE in a row - that's what he really cares about.

schietindebux · August 2016

Some dailies are restricted to prevent them from being active two times and some also block any AP gain being active.
Some of these restrictions should have happened since long to stop those cheese spamming builds, chaining 5 dailys in a row like TR can do.
It 's all a matter of good will and caring about.

schietindebux · August 2016

Double

trentbail21 · August 2016

defiantone99 said:
You do not need to use Smoke Bomb to dunk someone. So, you will still die as a GWF.

Oh the game is sooo different on from the pc and xbox version lol.

mamalion1234 · August 2016

SMoke bomb as area effect power if the enemy doesnt stand on it why it should trigger the first strike?
IS like i cast icy terrrain on my cw on my feet when the monsters are 2 steps away i dont attack something.

zerogravityv0 · August 2016

They drop the smoke on you. Then you are stunned while they get off a first strike dunk. @mamalion1234 get it now?

trentbail21 · August 2016

zerogravityv0 said:
They drop the smoke on you. Then you are stunned while they get off a first strike dunk. @mamalion1234 get it now?

They wont understand it unless they see it. They must not be doing this on PC zero.

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trentbail21 · August 2016

xsayajinx1 said:
@trentbail21 I have seen exactly 2 TRs doing this cheesy bug on PC... as far as I know, is one not playing the game anymore and the other one changed to saboteur spec. But many TRs know how to pull off what you described above, they simply not using it because we got a different mentality than you Xbox, PS4 guys

I will actually do a video to show what trentbail means

@zerogravityv0
Can you please put a video up? i know you are a dirty rogue =D

zerogravityv0 · August 2016

Lol I'm not a rogue but watch vex in his stream that's all he does

zerogravityv0 · August 2016

I might see if one of our tr will do it for this post

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trentbail21 · August 2016

xsayajinx1 said:

Very simple and easy to do.

1st kill is without pots

2nd kill is with pots.

The simple fact that you can boost SE for 20k damage (piercing damage) by 3 little pots is ridiculous.

Thats exactly how they do it on xbox too but most of them have like 35 to 40k power and hit around 170k with the first hit.

trentbail21 · August 2016

@xsayajinx1 You got first strike on too?

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trentbail21 · August 2016

xsayajinx1 said:
This TR had bit more than 20k power only. Just to show the glitch, you can of course hit for way more than in the video.

Talk about BS huh lol? ALL rogues on xbox do this right now and some even use ITF on top of it.

d4rkh0rs3 · August 2016

I have seen TRs at the campfire with 30k power pre brutality ring proc. So, yeah, 34k power and SEs with initial hits from 155-175k without third party buffs.

silver11 · August 2016

I do agree first strike bonus should proc on any damage dealt. that being said, first strike is very hit or miss. if you dont get it right the first time, then you wont get the kill on a bis player. SOD hitting after is WAI, its only smoke bomb not depleting the first strike bonus that is a glitch. being able to use dailies one after another is a completely different issue all together combining snail, high ap gain, dc sigil, burning weaps etc. please report things correctly.

TR smoke bomb first strike glitch

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