Change "courage breaker" to "Hamstring"

ltgamesttv · August 2016

"Shatter your enemy's courage, slowing their movement speed and lowering their attack damage by 30% (120% at rank 4) even if they are immune to control effects. In addition, your power is temporarily increased by 25%".

The actual affect of this ability against an enemy is 12 seconds (14 seconds with Valindra's artifact set bonus) of crawling speed (full stop if using cloud of steel with artifact offhand that causes a slow in addition). It decreases their damage to nothing and makes you more powerful against them.

This ability is the single strongest CC in the game and whether or not you agree with it's use, or whether it should be this strong, or whether it's working as intended I don't think the name aptly describes it's effects.

When you Hamstring someone, you literally take away their ability to move, you decrease their ability to fight and you increase your strength against them by doing so. I think the name of the power should be changed to appropriately reflect how strong (OP) this ability is.

What do you guys think?

demonmonger · August 2016

Just be happy it's not shocking execution.. stop asking for nerfs... bad game play style

demonmonger · August 2016

All you need is a trans fey and you get the same basic effect of courage breaker in combat..

Why is it that you are not happy with this game and are always trying to change it to fit/suit your playstyles?

lwedar · August 2016

oghma token nullifies it. The damage debuff doesn't always apply and almost all classes have a counter for it.

you can call it hamstring if it applies a bleed and does damage though.

This is a thinly veiled nerf thread anyway.

ltgamesttv · August 2016

demonmonger said:
Just be happy it's not shocking execution.. stop asking for nerfs... bad game play style

Show me the quote where I ask for a nerf LOL. If you even read beyond the title I'd be surprised.

ltgamesttv · August 2016

demonmonger said:
All you need is a trans fey and you get the same basic effect of courage breaker in combat..

Why is it that you are not happy with this game and are always trying to change it to fit/suit your playstyles?

Wow, this is even better. Firstly, Trans fey debuffs your opponents damage by 18%, there is no slow associated with it, and it increases your damage by 18%.

Secondarily, "Couragebreaker" (please rename to hamstring) debuffs your opponent by 120%!!! It gives you 25% more power, not necessarily 25% more damage (except in the case of something like SE which ignores DR anyway).

Thirdly, I am happy with this game and always trying to help, however I can, by offering feedback about the game and it's mechanics so I have no idea how you've jumped to this conclusion.

Thanks for your reply

ltgamesttv · August 2016

lwedar said:
oghma token nullifies it. The damage debuff doesn't always apply and almost all classes have a counter for it.

you can call it hamstring if it applies a bleed and does damage though.

This is a thinly veiled nerf thread anyway.

Oghma token does nullify it, at least the first one. Many TRs end game are using up to 17K recovery, burning weapons, artifact set with AP gain, snail mounts, and DC sigils. So they can CB you (please rename to hamstring) and when you pop Oghma's they have a second one waiting for you. So you are correct, you can use Oghma's as a temporary fix.

The damage debuf ALWAYS applies, if you don't know this, you're not paying attention.

Hamstring doesn't necessarily have to have a bleed effect, for that matter any kind of damage would have a "bleed effect" if you mean you cut someone. Daggers, Swords, Twohanded swords, arrows, all these would cause "bleed damage" irl but that's not the primary reason you hamstring someone. You do it to get the exact effects we're talking about.

There was not one mention in my thread, until you mentioned it, of a nerf. There is no veil except the one that some TRs apparently imagine at any mention of their class, or abilities, exists. If you chose to assume there is a threat to your class at the mere mention of changing the name of an ability it sounds a bit on the paranoid theme to me.

Thanks for your opinion

someonedies · August 2016

Hamstring Attack link
You slice into your opponent’s legs, leaving him hobbled and stumbling about.

"Hamstring." nice title for a broken OP power, don't you think?

ltgamesttv · August 2016

someonedies said:
Hamstring Attack link
You slice into your opponent’s legs, leaving him hobbled and stumbling about.

"Hamstring." nice title for a broken OP power, don't you think?

I think it's an appropriate title for the ability. It better describes it than "courage breaker" which would seem by it's name to cause "terror" in it's target rather than the effects that CB causes.

Thanks for your reply.

torontodave · August 2016

or Achilles Hit. Or Heel Slice. or Kneebreaker. orrr Anklebiter.

It's becoming the most annoying TR thing to fight against. =/ Moreso than HR trapper roots.

kvet · August 2016

Hamstring seems appropriate and your rationale for wanting it changed seems fair enough.

But, for me, at the end of the day, I don't care what the title is. Many powers have trite names... So what?

There's so many deep flaws that need to be addressed.... trying to debate semantics at this level is sort of like trying to polish a HAMSTER.

reg1981 · August 2016

And what are the effects in PVP? Halfed for players like most? If so then I'd like to rename it to Butthurt

ltgamesttv · August 2016

reg1981 said:
And what are the effects in PVP? Halfed for players like most? If so then I'd like to rename it to Butthurt

The effects are not halved in PVP. I still think "Hamstring" is a better more apt title for the ability.

Thanks for your well thought out reply

ltgamesttv · August 2016

torontodave said:
or Achilles Hit. Or Heel Slice. or Kneebreaker. orrr Anklebiter.

It's becoming the most annoying TR thing to fight against. =/ Moreso than HR trapper roots.

Kneebreaker would almost fit, I think though even with a broken knee I could move faster lol. I'm going to stick with Hamstring because I think it's really what you're doing to an opponent when you cause these effects.

ltgamesttv · August 2016

kvet said:
Hamstring seems appropriate and your rationale for wanting it changed seems fair enough.

But, for me, at the end of the day, I don't care what the title is. Many powers have trite names... So what?

There's so many deep flaws that need to be addressed.... trying to debate semantics at this level is sort of like trying to polish a ****.

I figured this is a simple change, taking a very small amount of time if anyone decided to do so. This could easily be addressed in a small patch with other minor changes. I think it more aptly describes the abilities effects so I thought I'd throw it out there.

I'll leave the **** polishing to the professionals, thanks for your reply.

reddygo1 · August 2016

It seems to be an appopiate new name.

demonmonger · August 2016

No seriously many of your threads are calling skills over powered and in need of nerfs.

ltgamesttv · August 2016

demonmonger said:
No seriously many of your threads are calling skills over powered and in need of nerfs.

No seriously many of my threads are calling for class balance. If you read any of them you'd see that eventually the problems I discuss get adjusted because they're in need of adjusting. This is across the board. If you disagree you're are more than welcome to post to that effect or make your own thread.

However, I did not ask for a "nerf" here, so unless you don't like the name "Hamstring" for some particular reason you are posting nonsensical remarks that don't add to the thread.

Thanks for your intelligent reply.

demonmonger · August 2016

You can say all that you want and even thank peoplet for their reply... but at the end of the day calling a power op aka over powered is directly saying it needs to be nerfed. Then to go in detail and list what the power's do and list durations with max durations with specific sets and to say how using this power with other encounters can make someone come to a total stand still.

This is posting stuff to cause a riot... even if you try to do it with pazazz

demonmonger · August 2016

Thank you for your insults...

demonmonger · August 2016

Finally of you really want to post feedback do it in the feedback section.

You know good and well what you are trying to do.

ltgamesttv · August 2016

demonmonger said:
You can say all that you want and even thank peoplet for their reply... but at the end of the day calling a power op aka over powered is directly saying it needs to be nerfed. Then to go in detail and list what the power's do and list durations with max durations with specific sets and to say how using this power with other encounters can make someone come to a total stand still.

This is posting stuff to cause a riot... even if you try to do it with pazazz

I alluded to all of it's abilities to provide evidence that the name I suggest is more appropriate. I said the power is the strongest CC in the game, and it is, it's not even debatable. It's the longest CC in the game hands down. If you disagree, I'd be glad to hear your alternative.

I suggested no nerf, no adjustment, no changes, if I did then feel free to show me the quote. The only "change" I suggest is to the title of the encounter.

If you call the responses to this thread a riot then I'm guessing your life seems a lot more exciting than it actually is.

Thanks for your reply

ltgamesttv · August 2016

demonmonger said:
Thank you for your insults...

No insults here, only a fair amount of irony for statements with no grounding in reality.

Thanks for your clever response.

demonmonger · August 2016

Again thanks for the insults....

The way you lay out what the powers do and how to maximize them and state that they cannot be avoided, plus on and on and posted in general instead of feedback (which you stated was the purpose of the thread) only leaves one to conclude that you want many people to see it and start to complain l... plus teach those that didn't know how to maximize the daily, how to troll people to increase the complaints...

Thanks for your insults...

demonmonger · August 2016

You don't care about the name of the encounter... you care about the effect it has on your ability to play

ltgamesttv · August 2016

demonmonger said:
Again thanks for the insults....

The way you lay out what the powers do and how to maximize them and state that they cannot be avoided, plus on and on and posted in general instead of feedback (which you stated was the purpose of the thread) only leaves one to conclude that you want many people to see it and start to complain l... plus teach those that didn't know how to maximize the daily, how to troll people to increase the complaints...

Thanks for your insults...

Your conspiracy theory is noted, after you've decided to remove your tinfoil hat and come back to reality, you could actually contribute to the conversation by stating if you agree with the name change or not and the reason you do or not. Anything beyond that is YOU trying to cause a riot. YOU are the one suggesting nerfs, and YOU are the one who really needs to calm down about nerf threads.

The only person here who continuously talks about nerfing this ability is yourself. So, if you want it nerfed so badly, perhaps you should start a thread in the PVP section about what you don't like about this ability. As for me, I just want to have it renamed more aptly.

Thanks for your astute observation.

ltgamesttv · August 2016

demonmonger said:
You don't care about the name of the encounter... you care about the effect it has on your ability to play

You are a fan of afterthought aren't you?

Thanks for your perceptive scrutiny.

ltgamesttv · August 2016

reddygo1 said:
It seems to be an appopiate new name.

Thanks, I appreciate the feedback!

demonmonger · August 2016

It's called I'm busy... still this feedback should be in feedback

demonmonger · August 2016

#TRlivesMatter

ltgamesttv · August 2016

demonmonger said:
It's called I'm busy... still this feedback should be in feedback

This isn't exactly feedback, this is a suggestion and a question to those who play if they think the name change is appropriate. However, thanks for trying to change topic as well as trying to get this post moved. It's nice to know you're not biased about my posts at all.

Thanks for your impartiality

Change "courage breaker" to "Hamstring"

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