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Question about CONTROL WIZARD PvP survivability
jhorix
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Hi guys,
new level 60 CW here. I am a Spellstorm Oppressor, very interested in PvP. I am also not amazingly-well geared, just got the PvE equipment or some prize equipment I got from PvPing.
The lack of balance between groups in PvP aside, I wanted to ask the other CWs about how they deal with the class squshiness; or maybe it's just something wrong with the way I set up my character.
(1) Do you guys use Shield in PvP? If so, do you use the regular Shield or the tabbed Shield? I noticed that it does improve survivability a bit.
(2) Is there any use in putting ability points into Constitution for a CW aimed for PvP? While leveling up I put a couple extra points there but am wondering whether it was a bad choice.
(3) Maybe the answers to (1) and (2) above change if the CW is a Thaumaturge or a Renegade vs an Oppressor since as an Oppressor my DPS is not great?
Any comments would be welcome, thanks.
new level 60 CW here. I am a Spellstorm Oppressor, very interested in PvP. I am also not amazingly-well geared, just got the PvE equipment or some prize equipment I got from PvPing.
The lack of balance between groups in PvP aside, I wanted to ask the other CWs about how they deal with the class squshiness; or maybe it's just something wrong with the way I set up my character.
(1) Do you guys use Shield in PvP? If so, do you use the regular Shield or the tabbed Shield? I noticed that it does improve survivability a bit.
(2) Is there any use in putting ability points into Constitution for a CW aimed for PvP? While leveling up I put a couple extra points there but am wondering whether it was a bad choice.
(3) Maybe the answers to (1) and (2) above change if the CW is a Thaumaturge or a Renegade vs an Oppressor since as an Oppressor my DPS is not great?
Any comments would be welcome, thanks.
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Renegade with 15 points in thaum (spelltwisting)
Stack 10% lifesteal and then HP/deflect.
Use feytouch weapon enchant with negation armor enchant
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I've used defence enchantments in my equipment slots too hoping to increase damage resistance. Was thinking deflect would not be too useful on a CW (as opposed to a TR for instance)...
Deflect is the most useful stat not least
look in the cw forums there are posts on Tank cw that i have commented on
Thanks guys for both your comments. I have started using Repel and I can definitely appreciate it's use. I also cannot easily survive a PvP match (and lack any sort of advanced equipment) without having Shield on Tab either, especially since most often enemies are geared to the teeth with enchants etc. In fact, even with Shield on tab my survivability is not great; but it definitely helps!
Negation is the enchant right? I guess I am very far from obtaining that right now.
I checked out your posts on deflection. If I understand the main point versus defence, it's that defence is of RELATIVE value; i.e. it will depend on what the Armour Penetration of my attacker is, and given that some classes have enormous ArP, it may be that my Defence won't be that useful. This contrasts with defection which is an ABSOLUTE value i.e., special attacks aside (such as some by TRs), deflection's chance of happening is constant, and not influenced by my attacker's statistics. Plus it affects control resists. If I understand correctly, the deflection argument sounds reasonable to me.
This does however raise two questions relative to the above, and in particular for my level of "newbiness" (and level 61).
(1) I guess I won't be able to get a very high level of deflection right now because my equipment is quite poor, even if I buy level 7 deflection enchants at the Auction House. So am wondering if deflection is optimal at higher levels rather than lower, relative to defence; but at the same time less optimal at lower levels? I read you personally can get around 35% deflect if I am not mistaken, but my ability to do that is zero right now I guess.
(2)Do defence and Shield interact? Shield is vague about how much damage it absorbs. It say also that every level adds 5% Damage Resist buff. But is this 5% of my pre-existing Defence or a flat 5 percentage point increase in my Damage Resistance rating? WellI guess I can chekc that easily enough by comparing DR before and after Shield myself
At lower levels /gear score 5-10% deflect and 5-15% life steal (it should not be silvery in defensive slots) red or yellow or hybrids
A higher hitpoint pool is more favorable at lower gear levels as well
at lower levels you are better of going glass connon dps (damages but dies more but can help finish people off with burst damage )
more dependent on gear more pvp then pve
or full icy control (low damage but dies less can help to finish people and classses of with controls repels and freezes )
less dependent on gear more hybrid pvp pve
shield is on its own layer ]
each layer of shield has different damage resistance values as it destabilizes (on tab ) and still offers Dr even when burst
P.S In full defensive mode I am at 50% deflect : D
He did very good by that also vs heavy geared GWF
a few tips:
For now- CW is playable and annoying class but in endgame pvp you will not win against other classes.
- Forget about oppressor- you will be not able to kill anything + you vs Elven forget about control also.
- Thauma is also not worthy- only rene is viable for now, and even if you are not agree with me- look at party boons which provide rene. Drowned weapon + life steal +growth etc. etc... this amount of healing will provide you some survivability.
- Negation= Wrong. Only elven, in my case combined with severe reaction you are able to make 4/5 dodges one by one.
- Shield on TAB= this is must
- If you want to more survivability....i don't like it- this is mod 3 relic build and i think only kalina is still using it - combined with OP bubble it provide more survivability d(^.^)b .you can try deflection build- but it make no sense for me because you can reach 25% deflection maybe some more- now compare this with GWFs and especialy TRs who can reach even 70%+ deflection chance. 25% is to little in my opinion + you loose a big part of your damage.
- There are some classes against whom you will never have a chance:
a) Guardian fighter- i think good ilustration here:
b) Great weapon fighter- With 27k power + 14k arm pen- 5k Ice knife...lmao ^^
c) Bubladin- need any comment?
against rest you can survive thanks to great life steal + healing + amount of HP (i have 150+) or even kill them, but for example i was not able to outdps their healing if they were using elven vs me- it was immortal fight.
You can still have some fun from PvP CW but...for real PvP in this game isn't funny anymore. Devs have no idea what are they doing.
More question?^^ post comments.
Grettings, Obsy.
Relic (according to you )or not I still Had the Best kill to death ratio last mod being a purely defensive build Therefore Making it viable
42 to 1 kills to deaths no invisible rings no drains Guess I was losing a big part of my damage lol by going deflect
...no I stay alive longer such that I can deal more damage you cant deal any damage if you are dead asside from the fact that people want to gank me 3 and 4 vs 1 you need to hold the node so you can turn it
He is trying to build his cw on a budget for now FYI
For me Elven battle Is wrong not negation then again you can swap to both in combat depending on situation
There are other ways to CC break Maelstrom of chaos daily is my elven / ogmas token of free movement
I have 4 dodges even without elven due to build choices
A Video Of a Good CW Playing poorly on purpose how many times have you posted that already?? how well did your elven
and extra dodges save you there ?? Poor position poor movement why are you jumping when you dont need to and up and down at that not even away are you using an invisible ring there instead of a tenacity one making you even more squishy why is your back to the wall instead of the stairs for more movment and maneuverability why why why why ? are you using guradian wards ?? I think not ... falsifying data ...frankly I would have been embarrassed to post that video you are holding back on purpose
why should i not be using a build that allows me to compete and help other to do so ? perhaps you require help with your build to over come your difficulties and short comings I am here to help : D
also some of the best new mount insignia bonuses synergize with deflect or being knocked back or stunned etc to provide even more healing so ranger / trs etc are actually healing you when stunned etc
how is stacking deflection taking away from your damage (defensive slots) unless it by swapping artfacts that dont have deflect on them or mount bonuses and even most artifacts with defection have power on them
My artifacts and guild boons are swapped situationaly anyways... the key is being able to read the play and team comp / who you are fighting and switch on the fly between defensive and offensive modes that sets apart the better Cws
P.S If your build cant compete anymore then you are the relic : D
By far the best option, compared to any other CW i met so far in the last mods.
It's, again with a big distance, the most tanky build i met. You even won't need to cheat and abuse ambushring by that AS lot's oft CW's do.
I can see the utility of having 50% Deflect Probability; what is the Deflection severity associated with it? I guess it takes a looooooong time to get to that place
Thanks for your comments guys. I am sure Kalina's build is great. But I chose Oppressor because of the control specifically. My initial ability rolls maxed out intelligence and Wisdom, not Charisma. I also continued to invest in those 2 stats leveling up to 60. My charisma is at 16 right now, while WIS and INT above 20.
So let me ask the following question: as non-Oppressors, what role do you assign to control abilities (as opposed to DPS)? I am wondering basically if it is useless for an Oppressor in spite of very high Wisdom and slotted Orb of Imposition + Glacial Movement. I know Glacial Movement is bugged - I tested it on a couple of dummies today in Protector's Enclave and it seemed to prolong duration of control effects by 35% and not 75% as it should. So as Renegades or Thaumaturges, do you really give up on control? Also I am curious: you mention Kalina "full icy control": did you have in mind the Oppressor path with this or some hybrid Thaumaturge (or Renegade) with Icy Veins?
i am playing buffing -debuffing builds( is squishier ofcourse but that way i like) i think a ring of brutality is a lot better than a tenacity ring because 10% damage for 10 seconds can make the difference ( see feytouched 18% damage makes the difference). or critical ring ( i use this to proc the nightmare wizardry combat advantage for everyone since we dont run always with a gf to mark or gwf has 3 charges only on threatening rush).
i am planning or get rosegold or try get those deflections +5 to be more tanky in future.
ABOUT a guardian fighter go farm +4 is ok rising defence and the +4 sudden defence those two will boost so much the into the fray beat 100% rosegold rings.
mamalion1234 well written i will respond soon yes double +4 rings are good as well for double defensive slots that is a good choice however the uptimes is what i dont like and rosegold rings are always active and on and have stats that are always active and on not random proccing at the wrong times possibly and in the case of most of the rings only giving a few % more stat
this has nothing to do with your class CW itself,
GF Burst is Bugged as hell and hurts everyone,
this can happen to a GWF with 160k HP too one rotation by GF,
that GF-Burst is same a Piercing ignore DR/tenacity basically everything,
Devs keep ignoring that High-Burst/Prone combo, which was a main reason to nerf gwf and remove prones,
but this is another story...
2. " I had a best ratio"...bla bla bla, with OP in your back.
3. I was using ambus ring to Trolling people, it was pretty funny when whole party was trying to kill you. I stopped to play a while ago- Tenacity rings was about 15kk per item.
4. I like jumping- i will jump all time ;0
5. I know you are the best d(^.^)b Just like then you said" nobody can kill me" but i smashed you with 2 rotations on my GF.
You are the one that runs 24/7 ambush all day being bis CW , every match I met you 100%.
Never saw karina wearing this bugged thing, not once.
And never saw her queing with a trollcombo..I would say 90% solo pug or 100%.
No Class or player get's any respect by running all time 100% permainvisible in DOM.
The only thing I associate with a player doing so is, he has big L2P issues and can't stand without cheating
caught off guard most people can get 1 rotated sometime..I am not disputing that
1.You had no chance in negation vs me in elven.
2. " I had a best ratio"...bla bla bla, with OP in your back.
3. I was using ambush ring to Trolling people, it was pretty funny when whole party was trying to kill you. I stopped to play a while ago- Tenacity rings was about 15kk per item.
4. I like jumping- i will jump all time ;0
5. I know you are the best d(^.^)b Just like then you said" nobody can kill me" but i smashed you with 2 rotations on my GF.
1. so you admit your class is overpowerd ? some Gf i can stale mate indefinably some not / and some time optimal gf powers and artifacts are not always up when facing the gf in the match gfs have few few rotations to suit situations wheras cws have many a cw is at even more of a disadvantage if wrong powers are slotted or incorrect armor enchant
2. what percentages of matches do you imagine in your head i had an op at my back? deduct and scale calculate for those then what percentages of matches do you imagine anyone has an op running with them ?!
3. admitted to using an ambush ring to troll and kill people
4. admitted to like jumping : D
5. Never said no body can kill me where did i say that ??? (how would the game be fun then?)but im sure you died more times then me last mod even with your invisible ring. At least you did not smash me in 1 rotation lol
6. what does that say about you ?
7. Im sure you are admired as the pillar of the community : D
It Clear Why someone who likes trolling and jumping would post here because? he is a big fan of mine thanks for keeping the post alive
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