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DRain isnt fair but stronghold boon is fair?
mamalion1234
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1. stamina drain and ap drain take away from enemies action points and stamina. ISNT fair since you need to be in a guild with this marketplace vs a new player or low level guild you will destroy them in seconds. Lets agree to this.
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2. WHEN your guild is high and have access to the drains and wards means that also you already you have structures for extra rating points ( power-armor penetration-defence-hp-ls). Lets say you choose penetration and hp as stats at rank 6 . BECAUSE of those extra stats you win a lower guild than you even if they are 4k item level and skilled players. 5000 penetration is more than the suppose( is lockbox) available for all axe beak 4000 penetration.
SO because you cant remove those boons if you want to be the absolutely fair guy leave your guild.
SO after many thoughts while i personal dont use drain if my teamate use it i will say its ok enemy go wear ward.
I AM using stronghold boons i feel hypocrit to shout to my enemies or my teamates anymore.
SO devs if you decide disable drains and wards then disable and the sh boons from pvp domination thanks.
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2. WHEN your guild is high and have access to the drains and wards means that also you already you have structures for extra rating points ( power-armor penetration-defence-hp-ls). Lets say you choose penetration and hp as stats at rank 6 . BECAUSE of those extra stats you win a lower guild than you even if they are 4k item level and skilled players. 5000 penetration is more than the suppose( is lockbox) available for all axe beak 4000 penetration.
SO because you cant remove those boons if you want to be the absolutely fair guy leave your guild.
SO after many thoughts while i personal dont use drain if my teamate use it i will say its ok enemy go wear ward.
I AM using stronghold boons i feel hypocrit to shout to my enemies or my teamates anymore.
SO devs if you decide disable drains and wards then disable and the sh boons from pvp domination thanks.
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Which is easier and more likely for a player to do ?? to leave his guild or to have the restraint not to use drains ?
mamalion1234 Wrote.
"SO after many thoughts while i personal dont use drain if my teamate use it i will say its ok enemy go wear ward. " You already admitted there is a big range in guild levels how will they get the ward and if they do have it then it negate and no point on using it anyways
Just LOL Your Logic is Flawed you are just promoting retaliatory tactics not fair play because they got beet up by somebody stronger using no drains on them they get to kill people with drains now that have no wards to feel better about them selves because they "earned them"
Next you are going to say dont pvp with mount insignia bonuses either right ?? Which are and available to all regardless of guild level
YOU want to see a big truth ? in mod 9 all can counter drain with ward but with the removal of coalescents from trade bar store not all will able to counter a transcended feytouched based on your theory that enchant reduce enemy damage by 18%. WITH your theory elven battle remove chill stacks so remove and it too?
SO the only way to play fair pvp is to play naked.
i WILL SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU DRAINS DO NOT COUNTER HIGH MAXED OUT TUNES WITH FULL GUILD BOONS!!! therefore why use them at all only to beet up on the weak and helpless or someone low on guild marks whos wards ran out or did not swap it on such that they stay in camp and the match ends sooner and they dont get to even try
mamalion1234 writes....
"if i stack power with enchants and go full penetration with axe beak + sh penetration boon? stronghold give us or not the opportunity to have almost all our stats high? "
You started off the topic by saying that the counter to this is to use drains/or ignore people / team members / friends that use them but a player that has max guild can counter it anyways so therefore again I say your logic is flawed ! Drains only allow you to pray on the weak it does not level the playing field at all anymore now you are just throwing other random stuff into the topic thats does not support nor has anything to do with the original topic of this post now its about if someone can get a feytouched or not LOL
throwing in naked pvp tho to diffuse or change the topic is unlikely to happen but i would support it
http://postimg.org/image/jfs6abyvh/ drain doesnt discourage us or anger us when the result is the win. they have level 2 we still have level 1. THEir shadowclad not wai cleric delayed their loss:/
Reading comprehension 101 Post was started with the assumption that *mammilion writes...
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SO because you cant remove those boons if you want to be the absolutely fair guy leave your guild.
SO after many thoughts while i personal dont use drain if my teamate use it i will say its ok enemy go wear ward.
I AM using stronghold boons i feel hypocrit to shout to my enemies or my teamates anymore. "
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@morenthar writes
"Yet people who have played BiS characters for quite some time, somehow felt victimized because they were getting killed by something they did not have yet" also not the point
you are trying to filter the discussion to one perceptive (bis players feeling victimized) and complaint. Finding a true statement and sprinkling it into your paragraph does not make the rest of your arguments true
many player will never ever get guild high enough to get wards
you just dont get it do you ? now that all bis guild have caught up there is no argument to use them in any circumstances they are only to stomp weak pugs with to make yourself feel better and tell them they should spend 10 grand on a stronghold right ?
aside from the fact that it makes each side waste guild boon on marks when they can be buying other things for themselves or thier strongho0ld only cryptic wins cause its drains you of guild marks
enter argument why weak pugs with no guild boon
SHOULD be allowed to use ambush ring for this very reason
@morenthar
The only Hypocrisy here is that you are treating them as equally debalacing items (drains vs boons) which they are not and I already stated my reason why to which you did not bother to comment on Also known as logic and facts
""Your Logic Is Flawed... If someone is draining someone else its because they have no counter it does not level the playing field and compensate for extra stat boons.. It also destroys defensive mechanics and powers that work regardless of item level . A Defensive player may have a chance against a higher level guilds boons and fight defensively/ using powers that do not rely on item level but not if he is being drained"" nor should he be forced to fight fire with fire and take his revenge out on someone that was not even draining him cause they can counter his drain anyways
like if high end players do not have both, drains are just wrong and most high end players with high end boons agree to not use them.
there is no excuse. drains are wrong, they kill basic pvp mechanics and players using them deserve only shame.
morenthar writes
"Drains only wipe lesser geared players faster. The outcome would be the same. "
no it would not if they live longer they can turn the node cause they are not running away from your drains
if they live longer they can help 2 v 1 etc
THATS IS WHERE YOUR SHOW YOUR TRUE COLORS AND ARE WRONG HOW ARROGANT typical what i would expect from a drain user
TRYING TO RATIONALIZE THINGS SO HIS ENEMY CANT GET AWAY CAP OR OUTPLAY HIM
JUST LOL
P.S even with being drained i hardly ever died I was speaking for the fairness and voices of the masses
morenthar writes...
Enter point that most of the complaining was coming from players like yourself, that did not yet have access to the drains.
ALSO FALSE.. TWISTED STATEMENT MOST OF USE RELIZED BY THEN HOW 1 RANK DRAINS WERE STUPID BROKEN AND DID NOT USE 2S AT ALL lol its was not about access to the drains it was about access to the wards to counter your broken drains and teach you a lesson
I can understand the medium guilds wanting to take a crack at the large guild for all the "un fairness" but then they turn around and uses drains etc on people much much weaker then them the gap being much larger then them with drains vs bis that is the hypocrisy right there
PSS SHOW ME 1 SCREEN SHOT OF ME EVER EVER USING A RANK 1 OR 2 ACTION POINT DRAIN AND I WILL DELETE MY ACCOUNT
i NEVER USED AN MARK OF ACTION POINT DRAIN EVER EVER EVER SO i COULD HOLD IT OVER THE HEADS OF PEOPLE like YOU
BOTH ARE BAD TO MAKE IT CLEAR BUT YOU ARE AGAINST ONLY DRAINS.
You want another example with the insignias?:) think you get power boon in pvp and u have the insignia artificer persuasion. 10 % of your power will go to your recovery ,action points and stamina gain every 60 sec for 10 sec ( artifact use) unless if is the forghammer of gond which is 30 sec cooldown even worse;p
i M SORRY IS THE NEW TOPIC WHAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN PVP ? Wards/ not being drained make the biggest difference in the world to an undergeared player that just want to live not run to the point on his fastest possible mount Is a player more likely to say he lost cause the enemy was faster on his mounts (close match) or that he was being drained ??
I am a realist everything adds up to unbalance in this game but drains are the least balanced as well as the ring of AMBUSH which devs are aware of now
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Yeah, i Know, there is rank2 Drain, and SH Market 8 is less accessible (take time), but, if the tooltips are correct ( rare in this game ), Rank 1 halve the % drained by Rank 2, still fair.
By far fairer than few rings, no ?
There are more important problems in pvp than Drains and Boons, and, 90% of guilded people who still playing this bugged game will be GH16+ before the next mod.
Now about gh lvl, I don't see much impact maybe i play premade a lot. But actually a full premade of bis players and GH 15 beat often a full premade of bis players with GH 20 (without drains), facts and no speculations.
I do not use drains, I never use ambush or cowardice rings, my guild is pve so we did not go for defence and arpen. I have a 3.7 GF and a 3.7 GWF (as of yesterday stronhold pvp gear only) and I have never queue with a premade at level 70.
I don't cry when I face players like Kalina or premades for instance because I made the choice of staying Pve and so I have to wait until my guild gets to that level. Complaining about guild boons is like complaining about not having pvp gear, should they remove their gear so that you dont feel squishy? This is not the game to come and talk about fairness in pvp. There has never been such a thing. The devs have made pvp to be just like pve and that means you have to grind to get the gear your need to be competitive and stay competitive.
I take pride in facing these guys and I try to do my best with the rest of my pug group. The only time I take offence is when those in large pvp guilds who cannot solo me get to kill me as a group and then proceed to t-bagging, but that is a maturity issue.
I usually dont post in the forums and the only reason I am now, is because I think I speak for the majority of us, who only pug pvp. For the large and medium guilds, they need to come up and realize that certain actions can just diminish the pvp population.
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yes gwfs damage is a little bit too high but the real problem is only one class: the gf and its damage scaling on an already high base damage thanks to defensive stats giving him damage....which is an utter no sense.
boons are not a problem. i mean they are like every piece of gear in game. Boons should give gs, bring the onld gs back and finally put some gs-matchmaking in pvp.
i would even considering to put some well defined hard cap. But boons per se arent a problem. for example 8k armor pen you say...thats after tenacity is 8k*0.3=2400 armor pen left which is less than 20% more armor pen for milions invested...yes a hr/cw/dc/tr doing 20% more damage...terrifying right?
mechasics are broken: a tank getting damage from 8k power and 8k defense + the already stacked 7k or so. THATs broken.
not being able to use your stamina...thats broken. No wards are not a counter, you will never fully stop a stamina drain.
I complain less about ap drains but still... broken.