The penalty should be one hour, account wide. This should incentive people to stay for silver. And maybe make people play a little smarter (I'm looking at you green-trash openers, GFs who don't tank demo, and OPs who tank everything but end up kiting for their lives)
GFs who tank demo.. wow you sure are awesome to assume all GFs should be played in one way and are meant to tank demo.
*there is no hint of sarcasm here. cause it's full of it.
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urlord283Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,084Arc User
The penalty should be one hour, account wide. This should incentive people to stay for silver. And maybe make people play a little smarter (I'm looking at you green-trash openers, GFs who don't tank demo, and OPs who tank everything but end up kiting for their lives)
GFs who tank demo.. wow you sure are awesome to assume all GFs should be played in one way and are meant to tank demo.
*there is no hint of sarcasm here. cause it's full of it.
Who is the egoist here, the player, who thinks, that a tank tanks or the tank who cant tank and plays as a mediocre DD. IF you play a buff GF, you can tank without a problem, if you want.
I look forward to full premade ques, when ppl just burden themself with their individualistic builds. I played many MMORPGs. This is the only one, where ppl cant que premade for endcontent and ppl expect, to clear it, even if they have no gear, no group synergy and most knows next to nothing about their class.
Here ppl complain about other players telling them to use certain skills, to buff the group dmg output, and later the same ppl complain, that the run failed.
I see this a lot and I don't understand it. I've even seen it where a GF is the only tank in the room and he refuses to tank ...
Why are you even playing the class in PvE if you don't want to tank?
In demo you have three things that you were taken into a party to do. Tank demo in the first phase, buff in the second and third phases, and taunt demo over to the sanity well by spawn in the third phase (although in some groups the DPS/buffs is/are so ridiculous this isn't really necessary).
Suck it up and die a couple of times if it means making the run smoother.
There is a rather obvious solution, which is to stop random queueing and start forming parties, believe it or not, edemo is rather easy and quite enjoyable in premade groups, with a good enough group you can 5 man it quite comfortably.
i don't get it why people solo queue and then rant about it. go form a group and tada, more chances of winning with less chance of getting people who solo queue for reasons of wanting to win without working for it.
It's a lot easier to find 4 random schmucks that might be good than to find 4 pre-selected guys who are good. If you're talking about going into PE and looking for a group, for the most part you might as well just pug it: you have no idea if they're any good unless you're restricting yourselves to 3k+, at which point if you're dps then you can pretty much carry most any pug party on your own. I'm a 2.9k TR and I can carry through T1 dungeons, at least if that kid would stop ddos'ing every time I end up doing so. Maybe he's the one playing these godawful GFs that always seem to be in the parties I'm carrying...
Listen, I dont give a flying @#ck what class you play. This issue is about people quitting out of Demo and the wishy washy responses to the issue by the devs. If your not going to stick out the encounter, dont queue for it in the first place. It's that simple.
Listen, I dont give a flying @#ck what class you play. This issue is about people quitting out of Demo and the wishy washy responses to the issue by the devs. If your not going to stick out the encounter, dont queue for it in the first place. It's that simple.
If you can't be competent in the encounter, don't queue for it and expect me to deal with you in the first place. I'm not your babysitter. I'm not your teacher. I'm not your mom. Play how you want, be weak if you like it or just are weak (for now?), but you're not entitled to my better graces. If I can (help) carry an instance, I'll try, but there's a point at which it is obviously not worth it, and a point at which it is obviously impossible to succeed. I'm not sticking around for either case, and you're crazy if you think anyone should.
Why are you guys wasting time replying to what seems like a troll? That is not good for your hearts.
Sometimes it's fun.
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lantern22Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,111Arc User
At the moment, if you ask me the system needs fixing. I just queued, there were 6 ppl who declined, I ended up in an instance with 4 ppl (one was disconnected). So I left and got a 30 min ban ?????
Sorry but that is plain stupid and unfair, giving the players a 30min ban because the game Code is sub optimal and allows/forces ppl into unplayable instances, is just poor form. You can't even leave the queue once you have accepted.
Well cheer up guys, mod 9 will give us thing we wanted from day one - full premade q's that will make Demo fun again! It took "some" time but this is one of the few things I'm looking forward in mod 9
Nancy - Dragonborn, SM Guardian Fighter A proud member of "mythical horde of DPS GFs"
1). Is SW more dps or tank based? 2). Yes. I am panzer! 3). Get ACT if you want to celebrate your epeen. 4). Horniness will not stand between me and what I believe - "MM"
i play my GF, i was suppose to taunt and lure to yellow portals. it is much faster that way, if someone tried to upsurpe and ruin my tauntings, then i wont help, they all try doing dps for "most damages" to be in Top 5 players just to be arrogant.
that why, i wasnt sure if there is a few came in pugging are either griefing or refuse to work as teamplayer.
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zekethesinnerMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 805Arc User
i play my GF, i was suppose to taunt and lure to yellow portals. it is much faster that way, if someone tried to upsurpe and ruin my tauntings, then i wont help, they all try doing dps for "most damages" to be in Top 5 players just to be arrogant.
that why, i wasnt sure if there is a few came in pugging are either griefing or refuse to work as teamplayer.
Since garisto aiming atk is not affected by taunting, all what u need to do i keep him relatively steady, provide KV and ITF.
Better u do with those 3 things, better the outcome.
(Sin)cerely Kain
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
best groups have no need of yellow portal anyways.. in fact its a effing pain when someone decides to go rogue and throw them at it. Wasting time..
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plasticbatMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 12,406Arc User
At the moment, if you ask me the system needs fixing. I just queued, there were 6 ppl who declined, I ended up in an instance with 4 ppl (one was disconnected). So I left and got a 30 min ban ?????
Sorry but that is plain stupid and unfair, giving the players a 30min ban because the game Code is sub optimal and allows/forces ppl into unplayable instances, is just poor form. You can't even leave the queue once you have accepted.
Poor form guys, poor.
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This I definitely agree is a problem. It applies to all queues, not just edemo, but it can get worse there for sure. I hate when I accept an epic dungeon, but then 3 (or even 4) people decline and no one else joins (which I concede is smart of them), and the game still decides to load me up into this epic dungeon. Y u do dis? I swear that lately there has been a regular group of people trolling queues for up to hours on end. You doom pretty much any queue and instance as soon as 2 or more people reject/ditch it at once. Even one rejection is pretty much the death knell (though sometimes the smoothest runs I've ever had were in runs that had one or even two rejections/drops, but you're really rolling the dice on no competent healer/tank in hopes of an immortal GWF or some BiS to make up for the broken party composition).
Otherwise, your strategy for dealing with a queue you see with multiple rejections is the same as when you find yourself in an instance that can't succeed: switch characters. The first character will still load up into that instance, so you know, but you can save yourself the 30 minute ban in exchange for 10-15 minutes running another character while you wait for edemo to autocomplete.
Ppl leave, coz its no point to lose more time than needed on pugs with no aiming skills, no dps, both or just trolls.
I see this that way: if u cant have worthy input, dont join, u r just destroying my experience, tho i do only 5man premades usually, 4 other ppl i can trust do they job, even if next 5 ppl will just be trolls or worthless.
I have other idea, give us 5man edemo, with 10x hp and 10x chance for ring (so 0.1%), we still will do it, and pugs may scream on each other for being weeklings.
So far i saw plenty of pugs entering on 2.5k IL (2.5k il made from literally scraps, just to enter), out of all those, i literally found one worthy player, DC with hp set, actually doing something, tho he changed set to HP after entering and droped under 2.4k IL. rest of those pugs spend more time dead than running, not mentioning attacking. Sorry but no sorry, u enter to leech, u dont deserve my time.
(Sin)cerely Kain
depends in what guild you belong. a 2.5k with power or penetration- defence or ls sh boons level 5-6 is a lot stronger than a guildless. two days ago i had in my pt 2 great weapon fighters 2.5k as you like to judge with item levels me 2.5k gf ( forced to be 2.5 with some random enchants otherwise i can tank in here and with 2k ) and i can chose and the worst defensive boon ( i mean ls instead dr) and still able. THOSE two great weapon fighters top paingiver 5 times in raw and i am saying that to see how wrong you are about the item level and 5 easy gold in raw without any bubble around. THAT Also maybe shows the other 7 was weaker-inexpierenced maybe the other 5 didnt have a gf to buff BUT THE RESULT was: 5 gold ,
HAVing in mind a player start to do an epic version dungeon when reach level 70 at item level 1600, at 2500k that player should know his class. Because you need farm to improve and with that i mean if you gonna say about leadership alts help you need to farm ad to buy the slots. SO the player from 1600 until he goes 2500 should already know how to play his class.
OR we have to be ignorant? gf tanking edemo for example first phase and some of the supposed expierenced clerics standing with the others casting perma annointed army and never look to the corner does gf need some help because he cant get life back in a case he loses his encounter ( and yes i am not so close to sanity because i am thinking and the others maybe the boss can stand inside in a bad moment)? i have to thank cassandra pvp based cleric came always when i needed to do some heals and we werent in same pt !.
Ehhh. I never judge by IL alone, tho its strong indicator, not adequate in all means, but it usually is reflected in 90% of cases.U have also a big difference between 2.5k IL DC which changes in edemo to his HP set and have 2.3k IL inside, so basically his 2.5k il set is his entering set, and 2.5k healing dc, and usually healing badly dc. The first one triples every1 else dps, making it a run of 30 ppl, not 10. The second one is doing second to nothing with good team, or keeps team of squishies alive.
U can see much not from IL alone, but from items making this 2.5k IL. If its trashes not matching to build, just scraps, that person is a bad player.
That said Im quite happy for u for getting 2.5k GWFs toping PAINGIVER chart. That was gold u say, so im sure second team had rly strong dc or/and maybe mof. Coz believe me, one good gf/dc/mof can turn around tables. U will learn that when one day u will make good gf. Which im sincerely wish for u.
Oh really? From your posts, seems to me the only 2.5 iLvl toon that you deem worthy is a DC exploiting an armor set that is no longer available. Which essentially means all 2.5 iLvL are not worthy and leeches.
Oh really? From your posts, seems to me the only 2.5 iLvl toon that you deem worthy is a DC exploiting an armor set that is no longer available. Which essentially means all 2.5 iLvL are not worthy and leeches.
Well that would be correct, as before in ECC where you had 2001ilvl players who stacked everything they could to boost the itemlevel and enter ECC without even bothering to visit 1600ilvl instances, collect alliance sets or for god's sake refine their enchants.
Yes a player with 2.5k ilvl is useless in EDemo, - you may have the skills of a god but your items fail you
That does not mean that a 3.5k ilvl player is good just that he has the option to be good/useful
Please fix Zhentarim Warlock companion's skill "Arcane Warping" to the originally intended "Arcane Boost" zhentarim-warlock-companion
Oh really? From your posts, seems to me the only 2.5 iLvl toon that you deem worthy is a DC exploiting an armor set that is no longer available. Which essentially means all 2.5 iLvL are not worthy and leeches.
Well that would be correct, as before in ECC where you had 2001ilvl players who stacked everything they could to boost the itemlevel and enter ECC without even bothering to visit 1600ilvl instances, collect alliance sets or for god's sake refine their enchants.
Yes a player with 2.5k ilvl is useless in EDemo, - you may have the skills of a god but your items fail you
That does not mean that a 3.5k ilvl player is good just that he has the option to be good/useful
IF FOR EXample using a level 12 frost on great weapon fighter and bloodtheft level 12 as armor enchant? draconics level 8 on the other slots ? movement artifacts?:P. sure that 3k has the option to be good.
Ehhh. I never judge by IL alone, tho its strong indicator, not adequate in all means, but it usually is reflected in 90% of cases.U have also a big difference between 2.5k IL DC which changes in edemo to his HP set and have 2.3k IL inside, so basically his 2.5k il set is his entering set, and 2.5k healing dc, and usually healing badly dc. The first one triples every1 else dps, making it a run of 30 ppl, not 10. The second one is doing second to nothing with good team, or keeps team of squishies alive.
U can see much not from IL alone, but from items making this 2.5k IL. If its trashes not matching to build, just scraps, that person is a bad player.
That said Im quite happy for u for getting 2.5k GWFs toping PAINGIVER chart. That was gold u say, so im sure second team had rly strong dc or/and maybe mof. Coz believe me, one good gf/dc/mof can turn around tables. U will learn that when one day u will make good gf. Which im sincerely wish for u.
(Sin)cerely Kain
i am fine that second one keep team of squishies alive Which means he do good job. I DONT understand you a cleric keep squishes alive is useless? USING encounters buffs-dailies buffs and some heals for the good teams doesnt contribute so the run will go faster? i will not cry if i dont have a prophet cleric or bubble seems you have those issues.
what is the good gf ? a 2k gf can tank in here as tactician . question do you play swordmaster?
Ehhh. I never judge by IL alone, tho its strong indicator, not adequate in all means, but it usually is reflected in 90% of cases.U have also a big difference between 2.5k IL DC which changes in edemo to his HP set and have 2.3k IL inside, so basically his 2.5k il set is his entering set, and 2.5k healing dc, and usually healing badly dc. The first one triples every1 else dps, making it a run of 30 ppl, not 10. The second one is doing second to nothing with good team, or keeps team of squishies alive.
U can see much not from IL alone, but from items making this 2.5k IL. If its trashes not matching to build, just scraps, that person is a bad player.
That said Im quite happy for u for getting 2.5k GWFs toping PAINGIVER chart. That was gold u say, so im sure second team had rly strong dc or/and maybe mof. Coz believe me, one good gf/dc/mof can turn around tables. U will learn that when one day u will make good gf. Which im sincerely wish for u.
(Sin)cerely Kain
i am fine that second one keep team of squishies alive Which means he do good job. I DONT understand you a cleric keep squishes alive is useless? USING encounters buffs-dailies buffs and some heals for the good teams doesnt contribute so the run will go faster? i will not cry if i dont have a prophet cleric or bubble seems you have those issues.
what is the good gf ? a 2k gf can tank in here as tactician . question do you play swordmaster?
If 2.5k il player (or any other squish) cant keep himself alive there occurs one of 2 problems: either he has no LS, so is badly builded, or he has low dmg (bad build, slow rotation, whatever) and his LS is healing for nothing, either is bad. only moment when player is permited to die and absolved of that death is irresistible dazze proc, u can do nothing about that+agrro as cw/hr, tr/gwf has toosl so survive easlly tho, tho tr need to chose to take ITC. Anything else has no excuse, if my cw with 40k hp and 10% LS (tho i admit i can die pretty often on her, but nothing less to expect from 40k hp toon) can survive most of the time, there is no reason for ppl builded for dps to not be able to it just with they build.
About ur question, i answered u when we accidentally met in edemo, i will expand my answer here.
Im Swordmaster. Im using SD in none of edemo's phases. My standard setup in any content is GA + EM, only advantage im taking from SM is WMS, which is amazing at-will, probably the best in game dps/range-wise. I also use KV + ITF + ET from start of phase 1 to finish of phase 3 (i admit i sometimes need to drop KV in phase 1 where im all alone, without slightest heal, and for some reasons ppl likes to take 100k+ hits, 5 hits at once that is...)
About second (first question) its hard to tell what is good gf, basically despite build every gf can do his job, but there r special snowflakes among them, i could provide ur long list of handles, but we cant shame here. Basically even as conq u can slot ST + SD (i was doing that at 2.8k IL, with 35% DR, im still playing as conq tho, just much higher IL [decided that i cant stay at 2.8k forever] and much different stat/abilities allocation, and ofc different bar) and do just as fine in edemo. GF has that advantage over every other class, its build is a flavor (feats part).
Ppl leave, coz its no point to lose more time than needed on pugs with no aiming skills, no dps, both or just trolls.
I see this that way: if u cant have worthy input, dont join, u r just destroying my experience, tho i do only 5man premades usually, 4 other ppl i can trust do they job, even if next 5 ppl will just be trolls or worthless.
I have other idea, give us 5man edemo, with 10x hp and 10x chance for ring (so 0.1%), we still will do it, and pugs may scream on each other for being weeklings.
So far i saw plenty of pugs entering on 2.5k IL (2.5k il made from literally scraps, just to enter), out of all those, i literally found one worthy player, DC with hp set, actually doing something, tho he changed set to HP after entering and droped under 2.4k IL. rest of those pugs spend more time dead than running, not mentioning attacking. Sorry but no sorry, u enter to leech, u dont deserve my time.
(Sin)cerely Kain
The epeen is strong in this one... :*
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zekethesinnerMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 805Arc User
Ppl leave, coz its no point to lose more time than needed on pugs with no aiming skills, no dps, both or just trolls.
I see this that way: if u cant have worthy input, dont join, u r just destroying my experience, tho i do only 5man premades usually, 4 other ppl i can trust do they job, even if next 5 ppl will just be trolls or worthless.
I have other idea, give us 5man edemo, with 10x hp and 10x chance for ring (so 0.1%), we still will do it, and pugs may scream on each other for being weeklings.
So far i saw plenty of pugs entering on 2.5k IL (2.5k il made from literally scraps, just to enter), out of all those, i literally found one worthy player, DC with hp set, actually doing something, tho he changed set to HP after entering and droped under 2.4k IL. rest of those pugs spend more time dead than running, not mentioning attacking. Sorry but no sorry, u enter to leech, u dont deserve my time.
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*there is no hint of sarcasm here. cause it's full of it.
So I just fight
Don't like tanking
I look forward to full premade ques, when ppl just burden themself with their individualistic builds. I played many MMORPGs. This is the only one, where ppl cant que premade for endcontent and ppl expect, to clear it, even if they have no gear, no group synergy and most knows next to nothing about their class.
Here ppl complain about other players telling them to use certain skills, to buff the group dmg output, and later the same ppl complain, that the run failed.
Why are you even playing the class in PvE if you don't want to tank?
In demo you have three things that you were taken into a party to do. Tank demo in the first phase, buff in the second and third phases, and taunt demo over to the sanity well by spawn in the third phase (although in some groups the DPS/buffs is/are so ridiculous this isn't really necessary).
Suck it up and die a couple of times if it means making the run smoother.
Sorry but that is plain stupid and unfair, giving the players a 30min ban because the game Code is sub optimal and allows/forces ppl into unplayable instances, is just poor form. You can't even leave the queue once you have accepted.
Poor form guys, poor.
L
It took "some" time but this is one of the few things I'm looking forward in mod 9
A proud member of "mythical horde of DPS GFs"
1). Is SW more dps or tank based?
2). Yes. I am panzer!
3). Get ACT if you want to celebrate your epeen.
4). Horniness will not stand between me and what I believe - "MM"
that why, i wasnt sure if there is a few came in pugging are either griefing or refuse to work as teamplayer.
Better u do with those 3 things, better the outcome.
(Sin)cerely
Kain
Otherwise, your strategy for dealing with a queue you see with multiple rejections is the same as when you find yourself in an instance that can't succeed: switch characters. The first character will still load up into that instance, so you know, but you can save yourself the 30 minute ban in exchange for 10-15 minutes running another character while you wait for edemo to autocomplete.
HAVing in mind a player start to do an epic version dungeon when reach level 70 at item level 1600, at 2500k that player should know his class. Because you need farm to improve and with that i mean if you gonna say about leadership alts help you need to farm ad to buy the slots. SO the player from 1600 until he goes 2500 should already know how to play his class.
OR we have to be ignorant? gf tanking edemo for example first phase and some of the supposed expierenced clerics standing with the others casting perma annointed army and never look to the corner does gf need some help because he cant get life back in a case he loses his encounter ( and yes i am not so close to sanity because i am thinking and the others maybe the boss can stand inside in a bad moment)? i have to thank cassandra pvp based cleric came always when i needed to do some heals and we werent in same pt !.
Ehhh. I never judge by IL alone, tho its strong indicator, not adequate in all means, but it usually is reflected in 90% of cases.U have also a big difference between 2.5k IL DC which changes in edemo to his HP set and have 2.3k IL inside, so basically his 2.5k il set is his entering set, and 2.5k healing dc, and usually healing badly dc. The first one triples every1 else dps, making it a run of 30 ppl, not 10. The second one is doing second to nothing with good team, or keeps team of squishies alive.
U can see much not from IL alone, but from items making this 2.5k IL. If its trashes not matching to build, just scraps, that person is a bad player.
That said Im quite happy for u for getting 2.5k GWFs toping PAINGIVER chart. That was gold u say, so im sure second team had rly strong dc or/and maybe mof. Coz believe me, one good gf/dc/mof can turn around tables. U will learn that when one day u will make good gf. Which im sincerely wish for u.
(Sin)cerely
Kain
Yes a player with 2.5k ilvl is useless in EDemo, - you may have the skills of a god but your items fail you
That does not mean that a 3.5k ilvl player is good just that he has the option to be good/useful
zhentarim-warlock-companion
Pure -> Transcendent Plague Fire weapon enchantment giving 80damge/20 seconds for 500k+ AD is a joke.
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what is the good gf ? a 2k gf can tank in here as tactician . question do you play swordmaster?
About ur question, i answered u when we accidentally met in edemo, i will expand my answer here.
Im Swordmaster. Im using SD in none of edemo's phases. My standard setup in any content is GA + EM, only advantage im taking from SM is WMS, which is amazing at-will, probably the best in game dps/range-wise. I also use KV + ITF + ET from start of phase 1 to finish of phase 3 (i admit i sometimes need to drop KV in phase 1 where im all alone, without slightest heal, and for some reasons ppl likes to take 100k+ hits, 5 hits at once that is...)
About second (first question) its hard to tell what is good gf, basically despite build every gf can do his job, but there r special snowflakes among them, i could provide ur long list of handles, but we cant shame here. Basically even as conq u can slot ST + SD (i was doing that at 2.8k IL, with 35% DR, im still playing as conq tho, just much higher IL [decided that i cant stay at 2.8k forever] and much different stat/abilities allocation, and ofc different bar) and do just as fine in edemo. GF has that advantage over every other class, its build is a flavor (feats part).
(Sin)cerely
Kain
(Sin)cerely
Kain