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Is GF burst damage appropriately balanced for pvp?

zeusomzeusom Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 810 Arc User
edited February 2016 in PvP Discussion
Guardian Fighter has very high base damage and they can easily self-buff their high damage by 300% to up to 800% (using Into the fray + knights challenge + multiple marks, etc). A best in slot offensive GF can 1rotate burst kill almost any best in slot player in the game.

This poll is a follow up to this post here: "GF Damage: Needs Nerf": http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter/#/discussion/1212577/gf-burst-damage-needs-nerf.

Note: The poll voting is public so that there is an option to later pick apart the poll results between GF-main and nonGF -main voters.
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Is GF burst damage appropriately balanced for pvp? 79 votes

No. Guardian Fighter base weapon damage is too high for pvp and needs reduction.
25%
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No. Guardian Fighter base weapon damage is fine but nerfs are needed to their self-buffs and buff stacking capacity (ITF, etc) needs.
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Yes, GF damage is fine and balanced the way it is.
16%
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Yes, and if anything GF damage is TOO LOW and needs a buff.
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  • primaxal1primaxal1 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 36 Arc User
    Yes, and if anything GF damage is TOO LOW and needs a buff.
    oh no, sophi died 2 times vs a GF and his kda is ruined, what a tragedy.. lets go to forums and make QQ nerf thread :smile:
  • revovlerjesus1revovlerjesus1 Member Posts: 481 Arc User
    Knight challange lmao, yeah its a pretty darn high risk. ESCP against a SW, gaddam time your bargain.. This is getting out of control Sophi. Maybe every GF shall make a poll about nerfing TRs cus they imobilize us. Yeah GFs damage is a tad to much, but all this threads is just to much.

    Still its a TEAMGAME maybe a SW isnt suppost to toe to toe with a GF, and let a TR do it instead? This nerfing threads are getting silly and i am about to vote as prim soon, only cus of your obsesion with gFs...
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  • revovlerjesus1revovlerjesus1 Member Posts: 481 Arc User
    defiantone99 said:

    This is not just about PVP. Look at the ITF buffs in PVE, way too much.

    This is the PVP forum, and GWF as i think u are playing are TO much in PVE too. But lets stick to pvp here mate.
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  • xgrandz02xgrandz02 Member Posts: 702 Arc User
    No. Guardian Fighter base weapon damage is fine but nerfs are needed to their self-buffs and buff stacking capacity (ITF, etc) needs.
    It's not only his high Burst damage also Prones, the quick skill-Animations / comparing to gwf we are like snails it takes too long to land a hit but GF's are like "insta Hits" which is crazy,.there no room to react on following hits.


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  • urabaskurabask Member Posts: 2,923 Arc User
    You're missing the "PvP in general is broken so why bother nerfing anything?" option.
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  • grimahgrimah Member Posts: 1,658 Arc User
    Yes, GF damage is fine and balanced the way it is.
    primaxal1 said:

    oh no, sophi died 2 times vs a GF and his kda is ruined, what a tragedy.. lets go to forums and make QQ nerf thread :smile:

    This is pretty much it. A SW has pitiful tools when it comes to PvP.

    And again I will say it is not ITF that is the problem, it is Anvil of Doom. As soon as the opponent is below 40% its GG.
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  • santralafaxsantralafax Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    There is no "I don't care" option.
  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    No. Guardian Fighter base weapon damage is fine but nerfs are needed to their self-buffs and buff stacking capacity (ITF, etc) needs.
    lets consider serious a gf player with 100/1 kda voting for "damage too low"
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  • primaxal1primaxal1 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 36 Arc User
    Yes, and if anything GF damage is TOO LOW and needs a buff.
    rayrdan said:

    lets consider serious a gf player with 100/1 kda voting for "damage too low"

    and a 400:1 SW that made these nerf threads
  • hawkendhawkend Member Posts: 179 Arc User
    No. Guardian Fighter base weapon damage is fine but nerfs are needed to their self-buffs and buff stacking capacity (ITF, etc) needs.
    @primaxal1

    Sure man, lets stay like now. Did you forget that you oneshot Stylin when he have 75% HP? He also used Courage Breaker on you.

    Typical reply from GF:
    [Tell] From [Bjorn@tonyk4]: the only on eht ebe bugged is hr andOP

    Easy solution to ITF:
    -> Lower that movement speed, its pretty annoying.
    -> 25% of DR per rank 1 is now reduced to 12,5%/15%.(just flag for PvP what have for example Wilds Medicine).





  • icyphishicyphish Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,255 Arc User
    No. Guardian Fighter base weapon damage is fine but nerfs are needed to their self-buffs and buff stacking capacity (ITF, etc) needs.
    Yes GF's damage is kinda over the top, but at least Prim does not play like a lot of other sissy GF that uses HARD TARGET LOCK or some even with Ambush ring on top of that, and think they are good, Prim at lease play like a man :)

    Btw, Ambush ring and all types of Drains has been banned from Absolute :)
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  • kweassakweassa Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    No. Guardian Fighter base weapon damage is too high for pvp and needs reduction.
    icyphish said:

    Yes GF's damage is kinda over the top, but at least Prim does not play like a lot of other sissy GF that uses HARD TARGET LOCK or some even with Ambush ring on top of that, and think they are good, Prim at lease play like a man :)

    Btw, Ambush ring and all types of Drains has been banned from Absolute :)

    In that case, for once, hats off to all Absolute members. NW PvP is probably gonna go belly-up soon anyways, but still, made the right choice, shown some class.

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  • mamalion1234mamalion1234 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,415 Arc User
    Yes, GF damage is fine and balanced the way it is.
    hawkend said:

    @primaxal1

    Sure man, lets stay like now. Did you forget that you oneshot Stylin when he have 75% HP? He also used Courage Breaker on you.

    Typical reply from GF:
    [Tell] From [Bjorn@tonyk4]: the only on eht ebe bugged is hr andOP

    Easy solution to ITF:
    -> Lower that movement speed, its pretty annoying.
    -> 25% of DR per rank 1 is now reduced to 12,5%/15%.(just flag for PvP what have for example Wilds Medicine).


    YEs gf is the problem you think. at least gf need to land bull charge( dodge) anvil(dodge). WHEN the paladins will wake up and play a damage dealing build you will see when a feature yes a class feature increase the damage in high levels based on hp (aura of courage). good luck to avoid burning light encounter perma stun and the divine judgement on your head.


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  • mamalion1234mamalion1234 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,415 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    Yes, GF damage is fine and balanced the way it is.
    clonkyo1 said:

    revovlerjesus1 said:

    Knight challange lmao, yeah its a pretty darn high risk. ESCP against a SW, gaddam time your bargain.. This is getting out of control Sophi. Maybe every GF shall make a poll about nerfing TRs cus they imobilize us. Yeah GFs damage is a tad to much, but all this threads is just to much.

    Yeah, pretty danm risk after Crescendo -> activate KC -> AoD ... Yes... pretty risky.... /sarcasm
    i agree. after the introduction of the sigil of devoted-snail etc etc we lost skill in pvp. perma shockings-opressives-crescendo-hammer of fate-army and and and................ without perma crescendo gf need some skill to land the rotation.
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  • mamalion1234mamalion1234 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,415 Arc User
    Yes, GF damage is fine and balanced the way it is.
    i will make another question before module 6 gf was able to buff 75% of his damage resistance you didnt notice that ? for the extra 25 % and the 20% on encounters boost you saw the problem? WEll suggestion anvil of doom double damage when target is below 25% instead 40%.
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  • icyphishicyphish Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,255 Arc User
    No. Guardian Fighter base weapon damage is fine but nerfs are needed to their self-buffs and buff stacking capacity (ITF, etc) needs.
    GF + Hard Target Lock + Cowardice Ring = invincible in 1 vs 1 :D

    Auto HTBlock till your opponent's repelled and rooted (by Cowardice Ring), buff yourself while they are rooted and BANG 2 shot bye bye :D
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  • kweassakweassa Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    No. Guardian Fighter base weapon damage is too high for pvp and needs reduction.
    icyphish said:

    GF + Hard Target Lock + Cowardice Ring = invincible in 1 vs 1 :D

    Auto HTBlock till your opponent's repelled and rooted (by Cowardice Ring), buff yourself while they are rooted and BANG 2 shot bye bye :D

    Oh don't get me even started on hardlock...
    Stop making excuses. Be a man.
    If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
    Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
  • urlord283urlord283 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,084 Arc User
    Yes, and if anything GF damage is TOO LOW and needs a buff.
    As expected I believe we need a buff....

    Look at GWF and Pallis

    And all the ranged fighters

    GF are not Powerhouses in PVP
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  • zeusomzeusom Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 810 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    No. Guardian Fighter base weapon damage is fine but nerfs are needed to their self-buffs and buff stacking capacity (ITF, etc) needs.
    Well, I saw a GF hit a player for 625,000 HP anvil of doom in pvp last night. And he was about 15,000 power short of Maze-engine power maxed. It is a bit much, dont you think?
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  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    No. Guardian Fighter base weapon damage is fine but nerfs are needed to their self-buffs and buff stacking capacity (ITF, etc) needs.
    I would recommend to round up the damage upwards to 1.000.000
  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    No. Guardian Fighter base weapon damage is fine but nerfs are needed to their self-buffs and buff stacking capacity (ITF, etc) needs.
    @metalldjt -.-" you are a troll lol (i mean for the vote)
  • dll32exedll32exe Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 26 Arc User
    Yes, GF damage is fine and balanced the way it is.
    zeusom said:

    Well, I saw a GF hit a player for 625,000 HP anvil of doom in pvp last night. And he was about 15,000 power short of Maze-engine power maxed. It is a bit much, dont you think?

    I saw sw for 1 sec drain all 150k hp from OP last night. It is a bit much, dont you think?

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  • revovlerjesus1revovlerjesus1 Member Posts: 481 Arc User
    zeusom said:

    Well, I saw a GF hit a player for 625,000 HP anvil of doom in pvp last night. And he was about 15,000 power short of Maze-engine power maxed. It is a bit much, dont you think?

    What i think you dont know is follow: The more HP the enemy has as base hp and the less hp the enemy has the anvil number will be higher.

    For an example, a Bubbladin has 200K HP, he is laying on the floor and just procced soulforged IF the GF hit him with anvil at this state the numbers can be HUGH, but it dosnt matter if it says 800 000 dmg or 10 000 the result is the same.. Just stop to try so hard on nerfing a class so much in an already extremly broken game.
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