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I have been trying to PvP for a long time now and I have hit a wall. It seems that even though I have better gear than I used to, I am still getting 1-2 shot and stun-chain killed just as much as when I had no gear. I think I must be set up wrong but can't find any information on what to do.
I play a righteous cleric. I have tenacity gear rating 130-137 for the 4 main slots (head chest boots etc). On the right side I do not have pvp gear, but I have 135-140 rated pve gear with no tenacity. I did that because it seems that from the pvp vendors I can only get blue level tenacity gear at much lower item level.
My total ilvl is about 2100. My runestones are average r7.
My questions are:
1. Should I get lower rated tenacity gear to replace my higher rated non-tenacity rings, belt, neck, etc?
2. Will that even make a difference? Is tenacity so great that it is worth it giving up 220 armor penetration to get 100 tenacity?
3. Even if I stack up all lionsmane gear, I can't see my ilvl getting much higher, so how is it that people are reaching ilvl of 3K-5K? How are folks getting 15K power?
4. Anything I'm not thinking of?
Assume that I have heard all the answers along the lines of 'you should be playing TR/GF/OP/CW, that is what you are doing wrong. Given the assumption of staying with the dps cleric, how can I improve my situation? Its so discouraging to unload all my burst on someone and watch their life either 1. not go down at all or 2. go down just a tiny bit. Followed by them turning on me and stunlocking me then killing me in 1-2 hits.
Please and Thank You
I play a righteous cleric. I have tenacity gear rating 130-137 for the 4 main slots (head chest boots etc). On the right side I do not have pvp gear, but I have 135-140 rated pve gear with no tenacity. I did that because it seems that from the pvp vendors I can only get blue level tenacity gear at much lower item level.
My total ilvl is about 2100. My runestones are average r7.
My questions are:
1. Should I get lower rated tenacity gear to replace my higher rated non-tenacity rings, belt, neck, etc?
2. Will that even make a difference? Is tenacity so great that it is worth it giving up 220 armor penetration to get 100 tenacity?
3. Even if I stack up all lionsmane gear, I can't see my ilvl getting much higher, so how is it that people are reaching ilvl of 3K-5K? How are folks getting 15K power?
4. Anything I'm not thinking of?
Assume that I have heard all the answers along the lines of 'you should be playing TR/GF/OP/CW, that is what you are doing wrong. Given the assumption of staying with the dps cleric, how can I improve my situation? Its so discouraging to unload all my burst on someone and watch their life either 1. not go down at all or 2. go down just a tiny bit. Followed by them turning on me and stunlocking me then killing me in 1-2 hits.
Please and Thank You
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btw many clerics are not righteous anymore, ask them what to do
My suggestion to you is figure out how to play in a way that will not get you killed every 5 seconds. I have been PvPing with my TR since I was around your iL, so I know what you re going through. The funny thing is that I was coming up through the ranks with some of the baddest dudes in PvP... but now I seem to be on par with them.
The key to playing around in PvP is to run away when you are out-gunned... if you can. I still do it to this day.
When you do end up getting your gear ranked up there... you will not only be more skilled than someone who has always been at the top you will also be able to beat those players with your skill. They grew accustomed to certain things being true...
I was talking about some of the players and characters that I have been in matches with since I was a very low iL. Many of them joined PvP guilds and geared up faster than others.
That 600 Tenacity is a huge difference. Remember, I played with 2k Tenacity for a long time... when I was under 2.5k iL. I was killed a lot... until I adopted my own playing style. Now I am 3.5k with the same 2k Tenacity... and there is a big difference. Granted my build is much different than anyone else's... and I attribute a lot of that to my build.
Tenacity was introduced to avoid one shots and it overall does its job right.
There is nothing like enough tenacity when gearing up.
2.1k ilvl is definitely low and while tenacity really helps you regardless your ilvl is not going to save you from sure death.
Even being a 4k ilvl player you still should expect to be 2 shotted pretty much often.
While this might not happen frequently to a gf/paladin and to a certain extend to gwf, hr are bound to be 2 shotted by everything able to touch you. There is no place for errors while playing a hunter ranger. Same goes for dcs, without astral up a wild gwf or gf are able and will kill you a couple of strong hits.
Sad isnt it? Tenacity is a flawed concept but i wouldnt be able to suggest something different.
Some classes have just too much damage that you can have all defenses you want but they are going to strike you hard regardless
Its discouraging how many matches quickly end with one team being obviously OP, and then everyone stops fighting, the losing team gets to capture a couple nodes to get some points to get rewards, and then everyone just sits down and waits for the end. This can't be what the devs want.
To answer your question... yes. Go tenacity! Stack tenacity and defence (not sure if that's what helps DCs?).
Get AS much tenacity as possible, get in a guild to get that SH boons
It's time to make it die for real. When only a handful of BiS guys and premades will be left playing with their d*cks while enjoying a 1 hour queue, then may be the devs will rework it and make it enjoyable.
Right now it's not just bis people premades playground. It's also the playground of geared trolls.
Make it die so it can be rebuilt from the ground up.
so long story short, if you are under 3k ilvl, then try to help CAP a node and STAY ALIVE instead of focusing on killing things, you will help the team better just surviving and defending/capping nodes
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An update on my slow grind through pvp. I now have 2 Lionsmane rings. That has raised my tenacity from about 2K to almost 3K. While not a huge difference, I would say that adding that tenacity has improved things marginally. I would say I've moved from the 5th percentile to maybe the 10-15th percentile. I notice now that there are some players who must have much less tenacity that I am decently competitive enough with, but the vast majority still overpower me in no time.
In fact I came up against a DC who killed me in one shot with her angel guardian daily power.
I have enough champion tokens to get the Lionsmane belt and necklace, which will give another almost 1K tenacity. At that point, I will have full Lionsmane on the right side and full Grim/Burning on the left side.
I think at this point my largest hurdle is to get my item level up. It is still languishing at just a bit over 2.1K. Given a large part of my gear will soon be 140 or 130/135, I think the main boosts to ilvl will be through upgrading runestones, enhancements, and artifacts, which will be slow slog (upgraded a runestone recently and noted that ilvl only went up 10 points).
My hope is to eventually get all Lionsmane gear, but the left hand side armor takes a lot of champion tokens and those are REALLY hard to come by. I would say that for every match that I am put on the "overpowering' team, I have about 6-7 that I am put on the "overpowered" team.
Next thing, stack recovery, since youre squishy with low ilvl but your dailies and encounters can make you godmode you will spam them more often.
When you get bigger budget you will want to focus on defense artifacts and stack more power for better heals, but for now focus on yourself pvp.
But now I hear that soon mounts will also give 2K-4K stats, which means I now need to include grinding for an epic mount into the calculation, because we all know that within 30 min all BiS folk will have their BiS mounts. Not sure if this is worth it.
By the way, what do I spend glory on? Yes I know that you can get the Burning set, but it seems the Lionsmane is better than Burning and you get Lionsmane with guild marks. I have Lionsmane or Grim/Burning already in every slot, and I am NOT going to spend Seals of Triumph on Burning gear because I need those for Lionsmane gear. But is there something else to spend glory on? The only thing I can think of is pvp potions.
Bye
PVP is for few guild's and your chance of winning is only if one of those PVP players join your team (happen sometime)
PVE is not so challenging so probably you can go ahead focus only on PVP equip/build.
but there is some threshold that even 5 ppl can't scratch a high level PVP player now, so don't expect to survive or do kills in the near future
I was hoping to hear this player would eventually become bis.. but they quit