I am totally disgusted by this blatant money grab. We only get parity when it suits PWE it seems.
The absolute ONE THING people were looking forward to with the tarm bar changes was the change to coal ward prices - for you to remove them completely is a total slap in the face to the ENTIRE XBox community.
Cryptic & PWE treat our community like cash cows to be milked when it suits them and absolutely no regard is given to what we want.
A company absolutely cannot treat its customer base with such manipulative disdain and survive - The amount of feedback here from new forum users should show you how motivated & disgusted the XBox community is over this issue and the one word I see most used in zone chat in PE is "liars".
This is nothing but short sighted profiteering and it will backfire on you. The Zen exchange climbed massively over the last week, my bet is that is will now crash.
The Cryptic clowns masquerading as business professionals are wrecking their product instead of getting it to grow.
Idiots.
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I would like to weigh in on this trade bar issue. First I play this game for countless hours and spend my hard earned money to buy my Zen directly from you guys. I do not buy HAMSTER from third party, like a lot of other people that you "BANNED". Yet they are back playing the game a few days later? You failed to take action with the gold/AD sellers for months. Then you finally ban the jerks for doing it and as soon as they write a whining letter asking to let them back in, you do? How about some real punishment for cheating I mean I see guild halls rank 15+for some of these AD buyers. For these AD buyers how about dropping the guilds of these folks and making them rebuild the SH for cheating or removing gear. There are plenty of other things that can be done. You know who the buyers are. They ruined the economy by cheating. Now after all that you punish the rest of the community by not put wards on the trade bar vendor. Wait it gets better! Hey since we removed wards from the trade bar vendor altogether and then kept it a secret, now lets removed double ASTRALS and replace it with RP in a effort to cash grab and FORCE you to buy Zen to buy wards from the market place because it's the only place to get them. Honestly, I do not know who you have making decisions but they need to be fired or replaced. You want to fix the economy get rid of the freaking gold/ AD buyers then all that AD will be removed from the game BOOM problem solved. At the very least put the freaking wards back on the Trade bar vendor at the old price for the time being.
I love this game and have been loyal all the way back to the beta. This bothers me to know end. Here is why, I spent 2 months prepping for this release day, countless gear runs to make 2500 IL and storing gear for double astral's. Then buying ZEN with CASH to open lock boxes to build up my trade bars in preparation upgrading the gear FIVE other characters. YES FIVE LEVEL 70's! I am one of many of the loyal customers you have thumbed your nose at. Well I for one am not going to stand for it. I want my my $200+ dollars back that I spent for the last 2 months prepping for this. I am one customer, Now multiply this anger what 200000 times for the rest of the players and what you get is a mass of people leaving this game. To mislead your players in this way and come back and say "We Never said wards would be on the trade bar vendor" is a cop out and totally disrespectful to the player base. You never said they wouldn't be either so I want my money back. You showed pictures of the the wards on the vendor, you hipped it up and got us excited to play and then BAM and big slap in the face. Nope. I know the folks in California have a way to get their money back and you will have to pay them. If this isn't fixed soon you will have lost a Loyal customer and I know I am not the only one.
-Ralos Dalziel soon to be former player of Neverwinter.
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To elaborate, my plan this week was: 1) Sell my old Terror weapon enchant. (Done) 2) Buy lots of Companion Fortification Kits. (Done) 3) Buy lots of Vorpal shards for my new weapon enchant. (Done) 4) Buy Coalescent Wards in Tarmalune Trade Bar Store. 5) Open Companion Fortification Kits with 2x Enchants. 6) Make a new Vorpal weapon enchant. Now I'm stuck until "some point in the future."
You all need to head over to the Live forum and post your feelings on there, from the stalling tactic it is clear they are going to try and ride this storm out hoping it will abate and we will just carry on bending over, well not likely I would suggest. All this will achieve is to inflame feelings still further. I have been waiting for Underdark and am so sickened by this I have literally just logged out after this blew up and am finding it very hard to motivate myself to explore the new content. Shameful turn of events.
First off, I want to say that we appreciate the continued feedback and are listening to absolutely everything that is being said right now. Our team is having discussions about the situation regarding the Trade Bar store item removals and the adjustment to the scheduled events, and are looking at what we can do. I know this isn't the answer that everyone wants right now and that swift action is requested. We aren't ready for that just yet, but are discussing options.
A full formal response will be coming (hopefully tomorrow as we continue our investigation), but we want to make sure that our community knows that we do hear everything that you are saying.
This is just your way of saying the items will be added to the tradebar store AFTER 2xRP.
Personally I am going to refine up the items with what I have saved and use the pres wards from the daily AD as normal, I am not going to treat the 2xRP as a proper one (where I would buy coal wards) and try to get things to where I would like them.
I will simply wait until after the 2xRP and the items go onto the tradebar store and then save for the next 2xRP.
Yes, this wasn't a case of misunderstanding - Cryptic ADVERTISED a change and PROFITED by people buying extra keys to build up their tarmalune bar numbers.
They then CANCELLED the change after reaping the profits of their false advertising.
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Yes, this wasn't a case of misunderstanding - Cryptic ADVERTISED a change and PROFITED by people buying extra keys to build up their tarmalune bar numbers.
They then CANCELLED the change after reaping the profits of their false advertising.
Well they just made the ad sellers a lot of money you can buy 5 c wards for 50 bucks from them or 5mil ad from seller and get about 30 do the math you just messed up bad
Over $500 spent of money I really dont have to buy coalescent wards to help my guild members advance and you spit in are face. It's sad that the suits threw Andy to the wolves. You talk about the games economy, we the consumers are whom pay your salaries, if you want to make changes to the game; call to arms needs an upgrade to the items you receive, moonstone mask should be renovated and stop punishing those that find the glitches that your programmers failed to see in the game. Players pay real $$$ for the use of the VIP bank, let them get there moneys worth out of it.
What we have here is called bate and switch and it's illegal in most states of the US. As well as I am sure it also brakes the terms of serves between Perfect World and Xbox Live. I plan on filing a complaint of unfair business practice with Xbox Live and I think most if not all of us who play this game should do the same. Perfect World should pay the price for ripping people off.
Clearly a money move (IS THAT YOU MARTIN SHKRELI??). Plz quit squeezing your cash cow by HAMSTER over your player base.
People have made decisions on how to proceed based on this information, which has money, time, and progression implications.
I forsee that this review will take until after the next double RP, amirite? ;-)
Trying to clearly articulate why the community is responding the way it is. Not sure how our perspective wasn't accounted for when launching this content . .
PS - ..and yeah, I get cryptic has the right to change and deploy content however they want. Just too bad they miss the mark on setting community expectations. A simple heads up @ last double RP would have sufficed. Cryptic is house, and house always wins....we get this already....
This is a stunt cpu players are more grinders the console pay counter parts sad thing is this was there plan from start to promise one thing the flip it so now you need to buy to upgrade ur ench this game needs a boycott and everyone needs to stop playing now not just stop buying things I all need to stop playing alltogeathr they released info stating the updatewill include coal price stop to 75 bar's then remove them is a ploy to get ur money cuz cpu players won't spend money more then console this game needs to be complained on to Microsoft in order to get change everyone needs to put it down
This is an act of fruad they promised something then players bought and spent money on keys to increase trade bar's and about 99percent did this on the bases of getting coal wards to find out thanks for the money now spend more cuz we removed double ad for rp plus now I have to buy coal with Zen oh I hope I disnt but keys 27th all ur ad hahahahaha
the trade bar store was said to b changin over feb n march with almost all companions, artifacts n mounts from bout mod 5 onward n the price of wards was changin from 200tb to 75tb for c/wards n bout 20tb for p/wards, but to remove them to force unsuspectin players to pay $$ or ££ for them untill they sort it is a joke, nothin more than theft. Finantial gains through misleadin n misrepresentation is a crime n definately one they are guilty of. I never saw this comin, saved all my trade bars (650) for weeks n got vip for enchant keys for this purpose to get C/wards since i never get enough ad an its all for NOTHIN
Maybe they just ported the wrong build from PC. And that is what they are investigating. May also explain why the calendar changed as well.
???? They've actually said, "yes, we did this on purpose." There is no "maybe it was a mistake," here. What's more, we were deliberately misled on the subject--just look at the fact that they silently updated their blog post this weekend to add the "your platform may be different" language.
I think this is deceptive and I am unhappy that the wards are no longer in the trade bar market. It is expensive to obtain trade bars as the number of keys needed to even save 200 trade bars is $40 worth of Zen, give or take a few keys. Now I have spent Zen on keys and saved the trade bars for a few needed wards yet the game now wants me to go spend more Zen...It is probably time to give up on this game.
No they cant this BAIT and switch is AGAINST many stated CONSUMER protection laws and violates Microsoft's terms of service
I think you misunderstood my post. I'm just saying that it has not been the case that they've gotten in trouble with the law for doing exactly what they did with the xbox tradebar store. A lot of that has more to do with the fact that no one took any legal action against them each time. I'd love to see them get in trouble because they should have gotten in trouble ages ago.
They pulled a similar trick with the Challenge of the Gods event on PC recently. They listed all of the items in the pack as being bind on equip and then when people started buying them from the zen store they were bound to character. Definitely deceptive advertising but no one sued them so they didn't do anything about it.
null No pwe has not broke laws before it wouldn't of been a BAIT n SWITCH if the has not promised up until the mod drop to five I something then flip it and say well where investigating something like what what is the big change from October and last month they sold many cosumers the idea of somthing and then pulled it after making a killing on it pwe has done the while qoops we messed up programming on stuff before but never have they switched out after pitching for months 75 bar's
No pwe has not broke laws before it wouldn't of been a BAIT n SWITCH if the has not promised up until the mod drop to five I something then flip it and say well where investigating something like what what is the big change from October and last month they sold many cosumers the idea of somthing and then pulled it after making a killing on it pwe has done the while qoops we messed up programming on stuff before but never have they switched out after pitching for months 75 bar's
Not sure if you just have poor reading comprehension or you're too angry to bother reading : |
But there's something you don't understand here. If no one sues them they won't get in trouble. It's unfortunate but they wouldn't have been getting away with it for years if that wasn't the case. Microsoft, the FtC or a consumer with the money to hire a lawyer are going to have to take this issue up in order for it to be resolved the way you want it to be.
Hopefully PWE poked the bear a few too many times and someone will finally do that, I certainly hope that happens, but yelling that they broke the law on a few forums isn't going to change much.
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The absolute ONE THING people were looking forward to with the tarm bar changes was the change to coal ward prices - for you to remove them completely is a total slap in the face to the ENTIRE XBox community.
Cryptic & PWE treat our community like cash cows to be milked when it suits them and absolutely no regard is given to what we want.
A company absolutely cannot treat its customer base with such manipulative disdain and survive - The amount of feedback here from new forum users should show you how motivated & disgusted the XBox community is over this issue and the one word I see most used in zone chat in PE is "liars".
This is nothing but short sighted profiteering and it will backfire on you. The Zen exchange climbed massively over the last week, my bet is that is will now crash.
The Cryptic clowns masquerading as business professionals are wrecking their product instead of getting it to grow.
Idiots.
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I love this game and have been loyal all the way back to the beta. This bothers me to know end. Here is why, I spent 2 months prepping for this release day, countless gear runs to make 2500 IL and storing gear for double astral's. Then buying ZEN with CASH to open lock boxes to build up my trade bars in preparation upgrading the gear FIVE other characters. YES FIVE LEVEL 70's! I am one of many of the loyal customers you have thumbed your nose at. Well I for one am not going to stand for it. I want my my $200+ dollars back that I spent for the last 2 months prepping for this. I am one customer, Now multiply this anger what 200000 times for the rest of the players and what you get is a mass of people leaving this game. To mislead your players in this way and come back and say "We Never said wards would be on the trade bar vendor" is a cop out and totally disrespectful to the player base. You never said they wouldn't be either so I want my money back. You showed pictures of the the wards on the vendor, you hipped it up and got us excited to play and then BAM and big slap in the face. Nope. I know the folks in California have a way to get their money back and you will have to pay them. If this isn't fixed soon you will have lost a Loyal customer and I know I am not the only one.
-Ralos Dalziel soon to be former player of Neverwinter.
"Prices are being reduced across the board on existing items. Coalescent wards for instance will now be sold for 75 trade bars, down from 200."
@strumslinger - really..?????
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1) Sell my old Terror weapon enchant. (Done)
2) Buy lots of Companion Fortification Kits. (Done)
3) Buy lots of Vorpal shards for my new weapon enchant. (Done)
4) Buy Coalescent Wards in Tarmalune Trade Bar Store.
5) Open Companion Fortification Kits with 2x Enchants.
6) Make a new Vorpal weapon enchant.
Now I'm stuck until "some point in the future."
I have been waiting for Underdark and am so sickened by this I have literally just logged out after this blew up and am finding it very hard to motivate myself to explore the new content.
Shameful turn of events.
Yeah this weekend was in the calendar to be x2 XP, enchantments, runestones and AD,
Low and behold its suddenly vanished.....
Personally I am going to refine up the items with what I have saved and use the pres wards from the daily AD as normal, I am not going to treat the 2xRP as a proper one (where I would buy coal wards) and try to get things to where I would like them.
I will simply wait until after the 2xRP and the items go onto the tradebar store and then save for the next 2xRP.
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So you pretty much lied to us
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/False+Advertising
They then CANCELLED the change after reaping the profits of their false advertising.
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Clearly a money move (IS THAT YOU MARTIN SHKRELI??). Plz quit squeezing your cash cow by HAMSTER over your player base.
People have made decisions on how to proceed based on this information, which has money, time, and progression implications.
I forsee that this review will take until after the next double RP, amirite? ;-)
Trying to clearly articulate why the community is responding the way it is. Not sure how our perspective wasn't accounted for when launching this content . .
PS - ..and yeah, I get cryptic has the right to change and deploy content however they want. Just too bad they miss the mark on setting community expectations. A simple heads up @ last double RP would have sufficed. Cryptic is house, and house always wins....we get this already....
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They've actually said, "yes, we did this on purpose." There is no "maybe it was a mistake," here. What's more, we were deliberately misled on the subject--just look at the fact that they silently updated their blog post this weekend to add the "your platform may be different" language.
No they cant this BAIT and switch is AGAINST many stated CONSUMER protection laws and violates Microsoft's terms of service
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I think you misunderstood my post. I'm just saying that it has not been the case that they've gotten in trouble with the law for doing exactly what they did with the xbox tradebar store. A lot of that has more to do with the fact that no one took any legal action against them each time. I'd love to see them get in trouble because they should have gotten in trouble ages ago.
They pulled a similar trick with the Challenge of the Gods event on PC recently. They listed all of the items in the pack as being bind on equip and then when people started buying them from the zen store they were bound to character. Definitely deceptive advertising but no one sued them so they didn't do anything about it.
No pwe has not broke laws before it wouldn't of been a BAIT n SWITCH if the has not promised up until the mod drop to five I something then flip it and say well where investigating something like what what is the big change from October and last month they sold many cosumers the idea of somthing and then pulled it after making a killing on it pwe has done the while qoops we messed up programming on stuff before but never have they switched out after pitching for months 75 bar's
Not sure if you just have poor reading comprehension or you're too angry to bother reading : |
But there's something you don't understand here. If no one sues them they won't get in trouble. It's unfortunate but they wouldn't have been getting away with it for years if that wasn't the case. Microsoft, the FtC or a consumer with the money to hire a lawyer are going to have to take this issue up in order for it to be resolved the way you want it to be.
Hopefully PWE poked the bear a few too many times and someone will finally do that, I certainly hope that happens, but yelling that they broke the law on a few forums isn't going to change much.