IBS is about the most predictable encounter in game, and hits fairly weak if destroyer stacks aren't built up, dagger buff isn't active, and the target isn't marked.
If you cant avoid IBS even by stepping to its side (unless they improved it a lot, which i dont know because i dont use IBS since mod 6 at all...), then, it's clearly a L2P issue.
did I say anything like that? and did you play anything else than a GWF and tried to face a BIS GWF with a 3k warlock? I guess not Level a warlock and join PVP pugging (no premade.... muah), good luck by that meet me ingame and we will see how you perform against 4k player, that´s gonna get very funny for sure if you want I can give you a taste of that with a linked video, not BIS but nearby and no scrub in PVP at all
I really should get a signature like " don´t talk to me in case you run 24/7 "fotm classes" until you tried PVP without it"
How much lifesteal do you have? Yeah, a gwf is tough for most sw's, but a properly built fury sw can wreck most classes 1v1.
so you run a warlock and you wreck 4k toons down with your fury lock? show me please, I am very curious about that I met 4k GWF I could defeat, but tbh that´s not the GWF I want to talk about one second, there are really good ones without maxed gear like xsajyinx (Riu), who performs better than most BIS player imo (hehe now the flaming starts ) I got 30% LS infight but that´s not the point, no lifesteal helps out in case you do not deal enough damage to him most fury warlocks can´t stand that burst running out stamina, except they are BIS warlocks, wich I am not I talk about 1 vs. 1 not : me (and my DC/OP) killed that GWF but all in all I said GWF is "challenging", nothing else, and on same level I defeat them most time
I linked a vid for clonkyo, that´s what awaits you being 3k and undergeared facing your class, no offence I never premade, DOM yesterday, just uploaded so quality will be improve in a few minutes https://youtube.com/watch?v=M8jbEd27XZY
1 - did I say anything like that? 2 - and did you play anything else than a GWF and tried to face a BIS GWF with a 3k warlock? I guess not 3 - Level a warlock and join PVP pugging (no premade.... muah), good luck by that 4 - meet me ingame and we will see how you perform against 4k player, that´s gonna get very funny for sure if you want I can give you a taste of that with a linked video, not BIS but nearby and no scrub in PVP at all
5 - I really should get a signature like " don´t talk to me in case you run 24/7 "fotm classes" until you tried PVP without it"
1 - Sorry, then, but you sounded like that. And yes, i do it (avoiding IBS by going to GWF's sides) time to time i were able to do this since i noticed that players could even dodge it by jumping... On the other hand, which other encounter grants a GWF THAT burst damage?? Time to time, Restoring strike... But the GWF must be really buffed and the target really debuffed.
2 - I play all classes but OP (obvious reasons) or SW because dont know how to play with it at all on PvP. So, just to start playing with, my encounters are "Dread", "Warlock's Bargain" and "Hadar grasp". "Hand" and "essence" as at-wills, "Brood" and "Flames" as dailies and class-feat dont know which i should use. Right now, i use "Shadow walk" and "Borrowed time". Any other suggestions would be more than welcome.
3 - Did a few times but, as i said, i dont know how to play the class on PvP at all. So, if you want to post your tips, more than welcome i will be (as Yoda i speak . XD)
4 - With my SW??? really bad.
5 - So, as you should have read, i usually don't play "FotM" classes besides my main GWF, but that is because my main GWF has been "SM Destroyer", since Open Beta. My MI exec doesn't rely on S.E. build . My GF is tac. My CW is opp and so on. Want to know why??? Because i want to play the game on my own terms, not on other players' terms. EDIT: With this, i mean that i don't use "fotm" builds BUT i can do so if i wanted to". After all, i can get the gear really fast.
2. sounds perfect 3. most player go fury, I would invest in movement being undergeared, since even a GF on adrenalin (ITF) can rush to you being to slow
generally that post was direct to some other forummember, who are giving tips (thanks for that, I appreciate that, honestly) and hints about classes they never run nor know anything about, telling me "look up for this build ask that one", not knowing they refer to a player, who does 24/7 premade side by side with an OP or DC and are never seen in DOM pugging that´s not relevant to me because they can´t stand on their own
I have a great video to demo 1 rotate stealth GF. Very funny and well done too. Mini GF takes revenge on me Several stealth GF 1-rotates towards end. GF (video maker) was wearig stealth ring the whole time.
how are you supposed to face a player that can deal 200k in a single hit ???, by mitigating it maybe???, but it doesnt work, 200k reduced to 100k is a free kill for the GF, since most of players dont have guild boons. And stack HP only to counter and survive the GF is a bad design.
make difficult to build and maintain the amount of self buffs they can stack and things will be fine. lower the amount of damage the shield blocks when they use KC so they have to think twice before abusing it. make AoD animation like IBS so ppl can anticipate and dodge/avoid it (if not proned ofc). keep the prone and the DR buff on BC, but for god sake fix the damage.
note: 100k BC are not common, 40k-60k are, but it happens from time to time wich means something is utterly wrong.
Hello I'm a player who has 4 pg coming 1 GWF WITH 3.4 GS 1 TR WITH 2.6 OF GS 1 DC WITH 2.8 GS 1 OP 2.8 gs in pvp but it is possible that you find me doing pvp against GF that kill me with my GWF 2 shots? from 3.4 gs? and I thought it was a tank class ,,,,,,, not only they kill you worse than tr but then they also have a lot of strength and life .... Then much that we can do something for the TR that are invisible and elusive perma and have the daily that if it does not kill just missing? if fighting should not be able to return invisible (as in all games) It is really awkward to play with a tr Then you put all the champions now a necklace that speeds up action points, they get up the recovery as much as possible a good dc artifact (if that's not enough) and always have a daily, do dungeons or PvP with them is RIDICULOUS you can fix? or you have to give up a game that once you make it around the block classes op? IN PVP currently stronger class is the GF Following the same points from TR and the 'OP
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icyphishMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,255Arc User
edited February 2016
The picture of people being hit by an invisible train comes into my mind.... PEW~ (u r proned) Bang~ (dead before u can get up) ....
Can someone tell me how CW should fight against this?
Even having ring of siege active (30% DR) the moment he proned you and AoD´d you, you got onerotated with ease...lol BC was animation canceled, anvil of doom animation canceled, as far as I could see, there is nothing you can do against instant casted encounter, was a daily involved? As long as a weaponenchant like feytouched bugs with a class making them monster --> GWF and GF deal 100k+ damage with one encounter this game has to be considered as "not existant" for PVP focussed player. Just enjoy the game, I am sure next mod it will be much better
but hey you can fight back with a GF like this guy , he copied your name
Can someone tell me how CW should fight against this?
Even having ring of siege active (30% DR) the moment he proned you and AoD´d you, you got onerotated with ease...lol BC was animation canceled, anvil of doom animation canceled, as far as I could see, there is nothing you can do against instant casted encounter, was a daily involved? As long as a weaponenchant like feytouched bugs with a class making them monster --> GWF and GF deal 100k+ damage with one encounter this game has to be considered as "not existant" for PVP focussed player. Just enjoy the game, I am sure next mod it will be much better
but hey you can fight back with a GF like this guy , he copied your name
tbh only way to fight back is using ambush and stamina-drains rank 2 if you got them, nothing else will eagalize match against a GF these days
It was GF of my friend- i just rebuild this char after he quit the game and take this same name.
PS. To be honest- Prim is only one GF who is making such high dmg-He is not even BiS? But i think he found some bug during tens of hours spent on previev serwer, and now enjoy.
Can someone tell me how CW should fight against this?
Even having ring of siege active (30% DR) the moment he proned you and AoD´d you, you got onerotated with ease...lol BC was animation canceled, anvil of doom animation canceled, as far as I could see, there is nothing you can do against instant casted encounter, was a daily involved? As long as a weaponenchant like feytouched bugs with a class making them monster --> GWF and GF deal 100k+ damage with one encounter this game has to be considered as "not existant" for PVP focussed player. Just enjoy the game, I am sure next mod it will be much better
but hey you can fight back with a GF like this guy , he copied your name
tbh only way to fight back is using ambush and stamina-drains rank 2 if you got them, nothing else will eagalize match against a GF these days
It was GF of my friend- i just rebuild this char after he quit the game and take this same name.
PS. To be honest- Prim is only one GF who is making such high dmg-He is not even BiS? But i think he found some bug during tens of hours spent on previev serwer, and now enjoy.
he has got 27k power, I think thats enough, more than most BIS GF got, maybe he has invested in combat advantage and some other stuff and went consequently maximum damage. I more think he is fast in animation canceling and chains BC+AoD very effectivly, wich feels like a onehit maybe the defense or anything else is lowered being proned, so if you can chain BC+AoD with cancelling fast enough you deal that damage...but I don´t know I do not believe it´s a bug, it´s WAI
haha lol, heard this already too but it wasn't my keyboard- when i am recording you can't hear my voice or any sound, i have muted it all time- it was something from Ryoshin room But in fact it sounds funny ^^
Lmao found some bug? IV GF with combat Sup and SWW + WoE and he catch u with a daily. Ofc u will drop like a fly. Imho jumping towwards a GF with those buffs isnt to smart. And maybe CWs will accept going back to beeing a suportclass again and not pew pew you die from range class.
Remeber that OP took GFs spot as a tank, a lot of players went for support as a protector before. No need for that now when OP is around, so we choose dmg tree. But game is broken in so many aspects and PVP losing a lot of players all the time. I used to play all the time, now i do 2-3 PvPs per day. Then getting bored and playing CSGO :P
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ionvnegativoMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 119Arc User
in 1vs1.....are BiS TRs the only ones that can face a GF....????, cuz looks like any other class is being smashed by prone+finisher.
in 1vs1.....are BiS TRs the only ones that can face a GF....????, cuz looks like any other class is being smashed by prone+finisher.
A pally can handle them and beat them. A TR..has to be cautious but a MI sab with firststrike will do good against them I bet saw one BIS TR nearly onehittet by that GF above standing 5 feet away If GF prones that class between his dodges , or a TR gets cc´d by another class , it´s the same damage ITF+BC canceled + AoD canceled but it´s much, much harder to do so i am sure
Another way to see the issue, since the rings are going to stay, is to just rework PvP so that burst damage and healing are reduced. Now you have players losing health, not as fast as now, healing some but not coming back to full health. Basically, what PvP should have, is a system where players, during combat, die. Slower in 1v1, faster when 2-3-4v1, proportionally. Now, if the devs do that, even the impact of ambush rings is greatly reduced. Cause even "ambushing" a player doesn't grant victory. The enemy can still fight back. And using the ambush ring you give up stats. Stats that the other player can have, and that can help him overpower you during the fight. All these rings have drawbacks. Many classes need to stop when they attack. It means, for example, that all the "X effect as long as you move" are not that good for many classes.
Another way to solve the issue is to increase the detection range on ambush rings, or slot visibility rings.
Another way to see the issue, since the rings are going to stay, is to just rework PvP so that burst damage and healing are reduced. Now you have players losing health, not as fast as now, healing some but not coming back to full health. Basically, what PvP should have, is a system where players, during combat, die. Slower in 1v1, faster when 2-3-4v1, proportionally. Now, if the devs do that, even the impact of ambush rings is greatly reduced. Cause even "ambushing" a player doesn't grant victory. The enemy can still fight back. And using the ambush ring you give up stats. Stats that the other player can have, and that can help him overpower you during the fight. All these rings have drawbacks. Many classes need to stop when they attack. It means, for example, that all the "X effect as long as you move" are not that good for many classes.
Another way to solve the issue is to increase the detection range on ambush rings, or slot visibility rings.
That´s exactly what PVP at low level is like. I did one DOM last week with a lev 12 toon. You fight on node hard to get anyone healed up, the HP goes constantly down. But it takes at least 30 sec to >1 minutes to get a player down. It was hard to contest and you had to teamwork a lot more imo, and none of the player got oneshooted.
That's also how PvP looked like when the devs first introduced tenacity and healing depression. We went from immortal tanks, to tanks that were dying in the same time span (30s-1min), and players in general got the time to fight and come up with teamwork and strategies. Now we are back to one-rotating tanks and immortals, which is exactly where we were with tenebrous builds in pre-tenacity PvP.
Look. This is @ayroux testing tenacity when it first came out:
That's also how PvP looked like when the devs first introduced tenacity and healing depression. We went from immortal tanks, to tanks that were dying in the same time span (30s-1min), and players in general got the time to fight and come up with teamwork and strategies. Now we are back to one-rotating tanks and immortals, which is exactly where we were with tenebrous builds in pre-tenacity PvP.
Look. This is @ayroux testing tenacity when it first came out:
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IBS is about the most predictable encounter in game, and hits fairly weak if destroyer stacks aren't built up, dagger buff isn't active, and the target isn't marked.
Xerxes - GWF
Eazy - DC
Tyrian - TR
and did you play anything else than a GWF and tried to face a BIS GWF with a 3k warlock? I guess not
Level a warlock and join PVP pugging (no premade.... muah), good luck by that
meet me ingame and we will see how you perform against 4k player, that´s gonna get very funny for sure
if you want I can give you a taste of that with a linked video, not BIS but nearby and no scrub in PVP at all
I really should get a signature like " don´t talk to me in case you run 24/7 "fotm classes" until you tried PVP without it"
Xerxes - GWF
Eazy - DC
Tyrian - TR
I met 4k GWF I could defeat, but tbh that´s not the GWF I want to talk about one second, there are really good ones without maxed gear like xsajyinx (Riu), who performs better than most BIS player imo (hehe now the flaming starts
I got 30% LS infight but that´s not the point, no lifesteal helps out in case you do not deal enough damage to him
most fury warlocks can´t stand that burst running out stamina, except they are BIS warlocks, wich I am not
I talk about 1 vs. 1 not : me (and my DC/OP) killed that GWF
but all in all I said GWF is "challenging", nothing else, and on same level I defeat them most time
I linked a vid for clonkyo, that´s what awaits you being 3k and undergeared facing your class, no offence
I never premade, DOM yesterday, just uploaded so quality will be improve in a few minutes
https://youtube.com/watch?v=M8jbEd27XZY
3. most player go fury, I would invest in movement being undergeared, since even a GF on adrenalin (ITF) can rush to you being to slow
generally that post was direct to some other forummember, who are giving tips (thanks for that, I appreciate that, honestly) and hints about classes they never run nor know anything about, telling me "look up for this build ask that one", not knowing they refer to a player, who does 24/7 premade side by side with an OP or DC and are never seen in DOM pugging
that´s not relevant to me because they can´t stand on their own
Mini GF takes revenge on me
GF (video maker) was wearig stealth ring the whole time.
Sopi SW Youtube channel pvp brickabrack
3600 Tenacity.
175k HP.
1rotated, from stealth.
Sopi SW Youtube channel pvp brickabrack
"Knight´s Challenge for the win"....
at 3k itlvl with no HP guild boon: one shooted
http://imgur.com/T9a6jwi
how are you supposed to face a player that can deal 200k in a single hit ???, by mitigating it maybe???, but it doesnt work, 200k reduced to 100k is a free kill for the GF, since most of players dont have guild boons. And stack HP only to counter and survive the GF is a bad design.
make difficult to build and maintain the amount of self buffs they can stack and things will be fine.
lower the amount of damage the shield blocks when they use KC so they have to think twice before abusing it.
make AoD animation like IBS so ppl can anticipate and dodge/avoid it (if not proned ofc).
keep the prone and the DR buff on BC, but for god sake fix the damage.
note: 100k BC are not common, 40k-60k are, but it happens from time to time wich means something is utterly wrong.
I'm a player who has 4 pg coming
1 GWF WITH 3.4 GS
1 TR WITH 2.6 OF GS
1 DC WITH 2.8 GS
1 OP 2.8 gs
in pvp
but it is possible that you find me doing pvp against GF that kill me with my GWF 2 shots? from 3.4 gs?
and I thought it was a tank class ,,,,,,,
not only they kill you worse than tr but then they also have a lot of strength and life ....
Then much that we can do something for the TR that are invisible and elusive perma and have the daily that if it does not kill just missing?
if fighting should not be able to return invisible (as in all games)
It is really awkward to play with a tr
Then you put all the champions now a necklace that speeds up action points, they get up the recovery as much as possible a good dc artifact (if that's not enough) and always have a daily, do dungeons or PvP with them is RIDICULOUS
you can fix? or you have to give up a game that once you make it around the block classes op?
IN PVP
currently stronger class is the GF
Following the same points from TR and the 'OP
Author of GWF Speed Demon PvP Build (Mod 11) <- Click to reveal the Speedy Beast! >:)
Can someone tell me how CW should fight against this?
BC was animation canceled, anvil of doom animation canceled, as far as I could see, there is nothing you can do against instant casted encounter, was a daily involved?
As long as a weaponenchant like feytouched bugs with a class making them monster --> GWF and GF deal 100k+ damage with one encounter this game has to be considered as "not existant" for PVP focussed player.
Just enjoy the game, I am sure next mod it will be much better
but hey you can fight back with a GF like this guy , he copied your name
tbh only way to fight back is using ambush and stamina-drains rank 2 if you got them, nothing else will eagalize match against a GF these days
PS. To be honest- Prim is only one GF who is making such high dmg-He is not even BiS? But i think he found some bug during tens of hours spent on previev serwer, and now enjoy.
I more think he is fast in animation canceling and chains BC+AoD very effectivly, wich feels like a onehit
maybe the defense or anything else is lowered being proned, so if you can chain BC+AoD with cancelling fast enough you deal that damage...but I don´t know
I do not believe it´s a bug, it´s WAI
Remeber that OP took GFs spot as a tank, a lot of players went for support as a protector before. No need for that now when OP is around, so we choose dmg tree. But game is broken in so many aspects and PVP losing a lot of players all the time. I used to play all the time, now i do 2-3 PvPs per day. Then getting bored and playing CSGO :P
A TR..has to be cautious but a MI sab with firststrike will do good against them I bet
saw one BIS TR nearly onehittet by that GF above standing 5 feet away
If GF prones that class between his dodges , or a TR gets cc´d by another class , it´s the same damage
ITF+BC canceled + AoD canceled
but it´s much, much harder to do so i am sure
Now, if the devs do that, even the impact of ambush rings is greatly reduced. Cause even "ambushing" a player doesn't grant victory. The enemy can still fight back. And using the ambush ring you give up stats. Stats that the other player can have, and that can help him overpower you during the fight. All these rings have drawbacks. Many classes need to stop when they attack. It means, for example, that all the "X effect as long as you move" are not that good for many classes.
Another way to solve the issue is to increase the detection range on ambush rings, or slot visibility rings.
I did one DOM last week with a lev 12 toon.
You fight on node hard to get anyone healed up, the HP goes constantly down.
But it takes at least 30 sec to >1 minutes to get a player down.
It was hard to contest and you had to teamwork a lot more imo, and none of the player got oneshooted.
Now we are back to one-rotating tanks and immortals, which is exactly where we were with tenebrous builds in pre-tenacity PvP.
Look. This is @ayroux testing tenacity when it first came out:
pretty sweet, if you ask me. No immortals. No one-rotating. Fair fight, and a long enough one.