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zeusom
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So players doing mastercraft are in a state of confusion about whether the materials produced from Masterwork I recipes (Gold nuggets, Adamant blooms, Aqua fortis, etc.) are intended to be 20% success with 4 epic tools or are supposed to be 60% success. The epic tool we get from the Artisan after the first two quests (turning in pre-mastercraft items) gives no quality/increased chance. Is this intended or not? The confusion stems from these words from Asterdahl:
"Once you've completed the second quest you'll receive a masterwork tool that can be used interchangeably in any recipe where the first tool can be used, and provides as much quality as any other epic asset (+40%.)"
By""completed the second quest" did Asterdahl mean the second actual task (Masterwork I recipes and the first tool received) or does it mean the second quest overall (Masterwork I recipes = first quest, Masterwork II recipes = 2nd quest)? Which? Is this 20% chance being patched to 60% by fixing the Masterwork I tool or kept as it?
A peeve I have with this mastercraft is that the Forgehammer of Gond artifact provides a big advantage in this process.
Fine, but many dare I say a majority of the people who have the ultrarare Forgehammer of Gond got it as a forced drop from spam exploiting the Gift of Simril event heavily :And having an advantage because of that is just wrong. For this reason, the Forgehammer really ought to be manageable (and legitimately) farmable during this year's winter event or added to the trade bar store to help with these professions and not just for the select few who have this advantage (an extra 10% on a 20% chance is +50% better).
"Once you've completed the second quest you'll receive a masterwork tool that can be used interchangeably in any recipe where the first tool can be used, and provides as much quality as any other epic asset (+40%.)"
By""completed the second quest" did Asterdahl mean the second actual task (Masterwork I recipes and the first tool received) or does it mean the second quest overall (Masterwork I recipes = first quest, Masterwork II recipes = 2nd quest)? Which? Is this 20% chance being patched to 60% by fixing the Masterwork I tool or kept as it?
A peeve I have with this mastercraft is that the Forgehammer of Gond artifact provides a big advantage in this process.
Fine, but many dare I say a majority of the people who have the ultrarare Forgehammer of Gond got it as a forced drop from spam exploiting the Gift of Simril event heavily :And having an advantage because of that is just wrong. For this reason, the Forgehammer really ought to be manageable (and legitimately) farmable during this year's winter event or added to the trade bar store to help with these professions and not just for the select few who have this advantage (an extra 10% on a 20% chance is +50% better).
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currently the 2nd quest does not reward a 40% quality item (i posted screenshots of this) just posting here to make sure you see the posts
We are searching for slave labor, will pay with food from our farm!
Here some excel results to show a little how enormous of a difference the extra 15% quality from Gond really makes.
Jewelcrafting upgrade for ex. with and without Gond artifact:
With 20% Chance per task: (1:5 chance)
1 Final orange item >> 5 Gold Coins >> 25 Gold Ingot >>250 Gold Nugget, 150 Conc AqReg >> 750 Aqua Fort >> 7500 Alum/Nitre/Sal >> 3750 Oil of Vitriol...5.6 years for 1 toon and 6.5million Guildmarks (DIY) or 475 million AD and about 1 year crafting (use AH/crafting combo)
With 35% Chance per task : (about 1:3 chance)
1 Final orange item >> 3 Gold Coins >> 9 Gold Ingot >>81 Gold Nugget, 36 Conc AqReg >> 108 Aqua Fort >> 648 Alum/Nitre/Sal >> 324 Oil of Vit...160 days for 1 toon and 670,000 guildmarks (DIY) or 41million AD and about 40 days crafting (use AH/crafting combo)
Anyone can see for themselves after spending a few minutes in excel with any of these mastercraft trees... Every one of them requires a Tier6 orange item at the end and because of that exponential Tier0>Tier1>T2>T3>T4>T5>Tier6 structure, the result is that without Gond, players simply will not succeed while those w ith ultrarare Gond have a good shot -- the time and resources needed are within reach. The difference is enormous. I don't think players without Gond (most!) know what they are getting themselves into. I don't have Gond so I am out. No hope in those numbers.
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With Gond (35% success)................Without Gond (20% success)
4 months............................................5 years crafting time
600k guildmaks................................6.5million guildmarks in maps
40 million AD....................................0.5 Billion AD
650 Alum/Nitre..............................7500 Alum/Nitre
I am sure Mastercraft professions were not intended to be something that was accessible first (and therefore most profitable and fun) and practically achievable only to those with Gond artifact (cough) but that is the result. Because of the exponential crafting tree structure, doing it with and without Gond is similar to the difference between 3^6 power (729) and 5^6 power (15,625) in terms of how much resource you will need towards that final Tier6 item.
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Im being very serious. I cant even buy a super-duper asset with +% whatever success with Zen. Why is that?
Why can I not buy a140% mount with zen or straight up cash money?
Better yet, why can I not buy 140% mount account-wide mount similar to the 110 mount I got when I bought the Guardian pack
How about offering the "Bamazing Profession Booster Pack" with all kinda neat things to help with the ridonkulous requirements?
You guys seriously need to get your act together.
Realize your entire player base has pretty much written off masterwork professions. Weeks ago even. And you guys still think its because of a UI or Tooltip issue?
Sophi just spelled it our for you and you ignored it...
Good Lord man!
I'm mostly interested in Jewelrycrafting. Any hope for that one?
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And as far as I know, final recipes require a lot of t2 craftable resources, so you'll either spend even more AD to upgrade other professions, or even more AD to get those resources with 20% chance. And when finally crafting a ring with 60-75% chance, you still can fail.
Also, jewelcrafting quest is one of the hardest, since in quest 2.2 aside from gold nuggets you'll need concentrated agua regia from alchemy and this is a t3 resource. Meaning you'll have to craft nitric acid with 20% chance, then some other thing with 20% chance and finally concentrated agua regia - again, with 20% chance.
So, if you have a spare hundred million AD, then feel free to start this madness.
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To me it sounds like they sucked all the AD dry and then flitted this stuff in front of us as a poor joke. Not as bad as the joke of EE, but right up there. Apparently it was foo much grinding for them to re-work the existing failed crafting system.