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  • s4v10rxs4v10rx Member Posts: 389 Arc User
    azuosed89 said:

    s4v10rx said:

    azuosed89 said:

    The big guilds COULD make an agreement and if we really fear the game will die, we could agree to not use it at all... it is just a thought.
    I think people on PC tried that, but it didn't work as someone would always use to benefit.
    I think it is nice they rewarded the big guilds and donations with boons and this stuff, but it feels like the huge numbers of these boons+ ap drain and stuff were a bit exagerated. There is no place for small guilds in Neverwinter.
    They either make it cheaper and faster for small guilds reach, or they reduce the effectiveness of the boons and those glyphs.

    Maybe the glyphs could work in Siege only to make it fair or something. The PvP won't be attractive for new players anymore...
    you know what is sad? just when the pvp was getting better (better class balance, cheaper to get geared and stuff), they go and they add something totally weird and throw random numbers out there and put us in a situation that we don't know what will happen with the game any longer.

    they tried that agreement in pc and did not work and this game on xb1 will died out the same as pc does and the devs don't really care on the pvp aspect of this game and this game on xb1 will have the same affect as the pc where gamers that love pvp from smaller guild will switch to big guild

    this is sad actually. sometimes it feels they just trying to squeeze our wallets a little longer before the game is shut down. lol.
    from the feedback i receive on the pc side, that is true
    azuosed89 said:

    shoukons said:

    armadeonx said:

    I think it's astounding that players are even needing to talk about boycotting the use of some enchantments du to the negative impact they have on game play.

    It truly amazes me that the game developers introduce aspects that shorten the life of their own product.

    You couldn't make it up.

    Humans implementing behavior destructive to their own well being a surprise? It should be a surprise, but it's not. We just gotta give away all the offense/defense glyphs and the gear to everyone possible to negate the stupidity of these glyphs. I know Asylum opened an official thread and doing it for free and I know Denial will do the same when we get our Market place up so it doesn't all fall on Asylum to do so.

    If everyone ran the defense glyphs it would erase people using the offensive ones, and the ones who did would affect the players who were running the defensive glyphs since, in tooltip theory, it should negate the drain. There is a PROBLEM though somewhere because there are boons that help with draining and defending against draining so we'll see what happens as more guild halls progress. Maybe the major guilds can agree to not make those buildings for those boons and if a guild does we come together and farm them relentlessly until they destroy that building.

    We're all really working too hard to keep a companies game a live, and we're doing it for free. That's what's truly amazing.

    from what I heard, with the boons, the drain will always overcome the wards... which suck. but not sure.
    from the respond i receive on the pc side, that is true that the drain will always overcome the wards.

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  • indylolindylol Member Posts: 544 Arc User
    Doomsayers (not to be confused with the TR in my guild) in NW have been around since mod 4 saying "ESO will kill NW." Then in mod5 it was Tiamat becauze oh no T2 piece prices, Mod6 was damage in pve, and Mod7 is drain glyphs. I could already tell you what you can prepare to cry about in mod8, but its meta will always be changing. OP one day, worthless the next.
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  • shoukonsshoukons Member Posts: 325 Arc User
    edited December 2015
    indylol said:

    Doomsayers (not to be confused with the TR in my guild) in NW have been around since mod 4 saying "ESO will kill NW." Then in mod5 it was Tiamat becauze oh no T2 piece prices, Mod6 was damage in pve, and Mod7 is drain glyphs. I could already tell you what you can prepare to cry about in mod8, but its meta will always be changing. OP one day, worthless the next.

    Closer to the word everyone is trying to get to is "irrelevant." NW will become irrelevant at some point. It won't be dead, for people will still play, but the crowd moves on. This has a 100% chance of happening and Cryptic can have a hand in pushing this back or pushing this forward. Everyone is feeling that they are pushing this forward and the numbers show that this is true over 2 mediums.

    One day Indy will stop getting temp bans =D, I'll stop bubbling, Gannicus will stop speed running, Roll Tide will stop Bull Charging and we all will be somewhere else being elitist there. We all came from somewhere before NW and we all will go somewhere else after NW. If you make friends and move on with them to the next place, then you beat the game.
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  • azuosed89azuosed89 Member Posts: 565 Arc User
    edited December 2015
    indylol said:

    Doomsayers (not to be confused with the TR in my guild) in NW have been around since mod 4 saying "ESO will kill NW." Then in mod5 it was Tiamat becauze oh no T2 piece prices, Mod6 was damage in pve, and Mod7 is drain glyphs. I could already tell you what you can prepare to cry about in mod8, but its meta will always be changing. OP one day, worthless the next.

    I don't think the game will die any time soon. In fact, I played on PC since mod 1 to the end of mod 3. I saw though, many players quitting, and the more advanced the game is, less attractive it become to new players. Let's be real Indy. How big do you think is the PvP community in this game right now? and do you think the PvE community is growing anything?
    I don't think so, not at least in a scale where we can see more competition and fun games to be honest.
    The P2W gap and the other stuff, now glyphs and guild boons will just increase the gap IMO. May not kill the game indeed, as the game has been surviving these "doomsday" waves..., but it clearly is not as populated as ESO, or other MMOs.

    Truth is, the combat system in NW is amazing. the game could be a lot better if the Devs did care more for class balance and pvp balance... they don't. they did promise a good class balance in the near future, but hard to believe that when they have those new rings idea at the same time they promised that...

    My first guild in PC was called the Silent Blade. And my old gm there said something I do agree very strongly. The devs accidentally made a game with an awesome combat system. however they have no idea what to do with it.
    I still remember the Devs playing BiS characters and getting destroyed 1000 x 0 against all the pvp guilds, including the not so good ones.
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  • tonecaponepatrontonecaponepatron Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    I still say we make Look Asylum Play Denial on The Division!!! My place of employment will have at least 40 good to great players and will constantly be playing 16 hours+ of the day. We have a few months to discuss and can definitely make a sep thread. Shou this is your guildie Departure btw incase you want to talk more ingame.
  • shoukonsshoukons Member Posts: 325 Arc User
    edited December 2015

    I still say we make Look Asylum Play Denial on The Division!!! My place of employment will have at least 40 good to great players and will constantly be playing 16 hours+ of the day. We have a few months to discuss and can definitely make a sep thread. Shou this is your guildie Departure btw incase you want to talk more ingame.

    I call tank/turrent. If there is a bubble in that game, I'll find it.
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  • tonecaponepatrontonecaponepatron Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    L.A.P.D I didnt even put that together until now hahahahha!! Dibs on support/techy sh*t!!
  • shoukonsshoukons Member Posts: 325 Arc User

    L.A.P.D I didnt even put that together until now hahahahha!! Dibs on support/techy sh*t!!

    I'm glad someone saw that finally =D
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  • indylolindylol Member Posts: 544 Arc User
    @shoukons

    U owe my GF an apology for makin me laugh so hard while still in bed.

    @Azoused89

    The P2W gap doesn't exist. Its a disproportionate requirement of time investment to achieve BiS (or even just being better), VS what a new player can achieve in the limited time they have had in the game, which nudges them in the direction of "spend spend spend." This isnt a new issue with mmos, and its not cryptic's fault. This is the life cycle of MMOs where eventually the "Haves" become so powerful that the only way to relevel the playing field is a level cap increase.

    However i will agree with whomever you spoke to that this game has such a top tier combat system it's incredible that they developed it but then they put all the delicious shinys behind zen, time gates, and huge donation targets. I get the same vibe from hearthstone if anyone plays it. Great game mechanics but way too much real life investment required to make it still seem like a "game."
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  • shoukonsshoukons Member Posts: 325 Arc User
    indylol said:

    @shoukons



    U owe my GF an apology for makin me laugh so hard while still in bed.



    @Azoused89



    The P2W gap doesn't exist. Its a disproportionate requirement of time investment to achieve BiS (or even just being better), VS what a new player can achieve in the limited time they have had in the game, which nudges them in the direction of "spend spend spend." This isnt a new issue with mmos, and its not cryptic's fault. This is the life cycle of MMOs where eventually the "Haves" become so powerful that the only way to relevel the playing field is a level cap increase.



    However i will agree with whomever you spoke to that this game has such a top tier combat system it's incredible that they developed it but then they put all the delicious shinys behind zen, time gates, and huge donation targets. I get the same vibe from hearthstone if anyone plays it. Great game mechanics but way too much real life investment required to make it still seem like a "game."

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  • indylolindylol Member Posts: 544 Arc User
    @shoukons

    That pleasure tho.... ;)
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  • yourenext2dieyourenext2die Member Posts: 614 Arc User
    edited December 2015
    ^ O_o :Slowly backs out of the thread:
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  • respectpaysrespectpays Member Posts: 344 Arc User
    lets face it the second the went from mod 5 to mod 6 and on they killed the game
  • respectpaysrespectpays Member Posts: 344 Arc User
    just need like 10k ppl to file complaints to the support team for them 2 fix it
  • shoukonsshoukons Member Posts: 325 Arc User

    just need like 10k ppl to file complaints to the support team for them 2 fix it

    Maybe who knows. I've been looking at SWTOR and giving it a serious reconsideration. Deciding how much life I am willing to lose.
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  • azuosed89azuosed89 Member Posts: 565 Arc User
    shoukons said:

    just need like 10k ppl to file complaints to the support team for them 2 fix it

    Maybe who knows. I've been looking at SWTOR and giving it a serious reconsideration. Deciding how much life I am willing to lose.
    considering the river of tears from PC, I doubt it;p. it is more likely they will bring stuff that will kill the game even more (those new stupid rings for example).

    Is SWTOR coming toxbox for sure?
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  • s4v10rxs4v10rx Member Posts: 389 Arc User
    shoukons said:

    just need like 10k ppl to file complaints to the support team for them 2 fix it

    Maybe who knows. I've been looking at SWTOR and giving it a serious reconsideration. Deciding how much life I am willing to lose.
    SWTOR is ok...if i decided to switch mmo i will go back to WOW =)
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  • azuosed89azuosed89 Member Posts: 565 Arc User
    One ESports MMO that is coming to NA and is very competitive and zero p2w, absolutely zero, is blade and soul. too bad is for PC only. In korea it is huge, national torunatments, huge pay offs and HAMSTER.
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  • shoukonsshoukons Member Posts: 325 Arc User
    SWTOR isn't on xbox, I dusted off my laptop to see if it'll explode or not. I'm more realistically going to try warframe while waiting to PvP on NW. I gave that game about 10 minutes and stopped.
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  • mercbenz360mercbenz360 Member Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited December 2015
    It's really overpowered. I expected it to drain a % of your total over time and a cooldown. In a few days, all the big guilds will have it so I guess it'll even out in a stupid way. No feedback whatsoever on the stamina drain is just super amateur on Cryptic's part.
  • shoukonsshoukons Member Posts: 325 Arc User

    It's really overpowered. I expected it to drain a % of your total over time and a cooldown. In a few days, all the big guilds will have it so I guess it'll even out in a stupid way. No feedback whatsoever on the stamina drain is just super amateur on Cryptic's part.

    Well, this is how it happened on the PC. No goats given by the devs to not make the same mistake again. What's that say about their motivation with this game?
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  • s4v10rxs4v10rx Member Posts: 389 Arc User
    shoukons said:

    SWTOR isn't on xbox, I dusted off my laptop to see if it'll explode or not. I'm more realistically going to try warframe while waiting to PvP on NW. I gave that game about 10 minutes and stopped.

    i know, i have played it on pc same goes with WOW but i prefer wow. now started playing wow again since i got ban for d*mb reason..lol..is partly my fault too for calling it as what it is =)

    Guild: Asylum
    Character:
    7thS1n---Trickster Rouge LV 70(perma-Stun build)
    7ThH3AL3R-- Devoted Cleric LV 70 (Divine Oracle Haste/DPS build)
    7ThM4G3-- Control Wizard
    7ThW4rL0CK-- Scrooge Warlock
    7THW4R--Great Weapon Fighter
  • s4v10rxs4v10rx Member Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited December 2015
    azuosed89 said:

    One ESports MMO that is coming to NA and is very competitive and zero p2w, absolutely zero, is blade and soul. too bad is for PC only. In korea it is huge, national torunatments, huge pay offs and HAMSTER.

    i have played the korean version of the game and i freaking love it...was always playing blade and soul and wow when i was still playing PC. is coming in early 2015, in facf they are giving free beta keys to everyone, did you get urs yet?
    Guild: Asylum
    Character:
    7thS1n---Trickster Rouge LV 70(perma-Stun build)
    7ThH3AL3R-- Devoted Cleric LV 70 (Divine Oracle Haste/DPS build)
    7ThM4G3-- Control Wizard
    7ThW4rL0CK-- Scrooge Warlock
    7THW4R--Great Weapon Fighter
  • mercbenz360mercbenz360 Member Posts: 120 Arc User
    You really would think they could learn to not repeat history, but you're right they just keep doing it.
    shoukons said:

    It's really overpowered. I expected it to drain a % of your total over time and a cooldown. In a few days, all the big guilds will have it so I guess it'll even out in a stupid way. No feedback whatsoever on the stamina drain is just super amateur on Cryptic's part.

    Well, this is how it happened on the PC. No goats given by the devs to not make the same mistake again. What's that say about their motivation with this game?
  • zman81420zman81420 Member Posts: 972 Arc User
    edited December 2015
    @shoukons
    "If you make friends and move on with them to the next place, then you beat the game"

    This is probably the best way of thinking as a gamer and bravo for thinking so. I may have never met you but I like you already based on that statement.
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  • tonecaponepatrontonecaponepatron Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    @shoukons did u play TC:TD ALPHA?? Soooooo much WIN!!
  • azuosed89azuosed89 Member Posts: 565 Arc User
    I was playing The Nation, and this happened:
    http://xboxclips.com/Gannicus1389/6c4b15a7-6793-4c25-b29f-53fd97d79f65
    I called this Kai GWF out, and he kept glitching me time after time.

    Then I went to stronghold, and figured out how he did it: (watch until the end): http://xboxclips.com/Gannicus1389/d13f62bc-1c2c-4306-8843-2fdfbf3a13a7 Now if you are a harder DPS spec, these dots are even stronger.

    And guess what is causing this? a combination of certain encounters with the new stamina drain glyphs. Good job cryptic
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  • armadeonxarmadeonx Member Posts: 4,952 Arc User
    lol I think the only thing that stopped you from dropping my health even further yesterday were my boons that kicked in with the hit you showed me :dizzy:

    You'd think they'd just program in a line that limits interactions with glyphs so it has a closed effect.
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  • snoborder101snoborder101 Member Posts: 145 Arc User
    I've refused to use the drain glyphs, but I constantly see people running them in pvp further killing this game. I'm only running the wards, if you're so bad you need to run the drains, then feel free to do so. I refuse to be a part of it.
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