Stamina Drain Glyphs too OP

indylol · December 2015

Ha... I haven't equipped these yet, let alone logged on to buy my lionsmane, but now that they're on the loose on xb1, do you fear the no dodge / no block meta?

But seriously, good luck anyone whos guildless.

superjellybaby · December 2015

ap drain is intense too, played a game against lgpg on my pally and i was bubbleless all game almost, we miss you indy. in 1-2 weeks most people will have no option but to use the prevention glyphs i think

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xrollxtidex · December 2015

I fear that this game is done. We will have these very soon ourselves and once we have them, it is game over for this game. It will take a few more weeks and then no one outside of the few big guilds will PvP. There will be no new players entering the arena and what will be left will be a small dwindling pool of familiar faces hanging on til the end.

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lightweight · December 2015

We will have ours this week and I also fear that they will destroy anyone outside of the top 5 guilds in pvp. The days of solo q will be numbered within the next few months. This is really upsetting because running premades is the dumbest pvp I have ever played in a game period. With two pallys, a haste DC, and 2 dps... It's just see who can push the other team off the node. No one dies.

indylol · December 2015

@xrollxtidex

It seems we both are familiar with how MMOs die, neverwinter will certainly be around but you're absolutely right. id say LGPG, Asylum, Denial, Paragon Gaming, Tacktics(sp?), Jesus had a soulforge, The Nation, and Well Endowed are the last remaining real guilds. Give in 2 months and see how many of those names still exist.

shoukons · December 2015

xrollxtidex said:
I fear that this game is done. We will have these very soon ourselves and once we have them, it is game over for this game. It will take a few more weeks and then no one outside of the few big guilds will PvP. There will be no new players entering the arena and what will be left will be a small dwindling pool of familiar faces hanging on til the end.

Just as it did on PC.

So anyone wanna group up on Smite or SW Battlefront?

s4v10rx · December 2015

xrollxtidex said:
I fear that this game is done. We will have these very soon ourselves and once we have them, it is game over for this game. It will take a few more weeks and then no one outside of the few big guilds will PvP. There will be no new players entering the arena and what will be left will be a small dwindling pool of familiar faces hanging on til the end.

yeah, i agree with you. i can't believe that the devs was putting the AP drain on this MMO, they r literally shooting themselves in the foot as that will turn lots of fans off D&D and this game away. hopefully they r able to see the bigger picture as on the PC side have a hard time retaining or getting new players to this game and i don't want to see the xbox1 to end up on the same situation.

indylol · December 2015

@shoukons
I hear kuran plays a pretty mean carry on smite. I played a moba on the side last year and haven't had much drive to try a new one since, smite seems good though.

s4v10rx · December 2015

indylol said:
@xrollxtidex

It seems we both are familiar with how MMOs die, neverwinter will certainly be around but you're absolutely right. id say LGPG, Asylum, Denial, Paragon Gaming, Tacktics(sp?), Jesus had a soulforge, The Nation, and Well Endowed are the last remaining real guilds. Give in 2 months and see how many of those names still exist.

i would say lgpg, denial and asylum will remain as LGPG already have their AP drain SH boons and denial will have it soon base on the guildies that i talk and party with. We in Asylum have been working hard farming all day to get our SH AP drain boons and hopefully we can get it within this 2 weeks, i know i will b spending 6 to 8 hours working on it and i'm sure our other guildies will do the same too.

shoukons · December 2015

indylol said:
@shoukons

I hear kuran plays a pretty mean carry on smite. I played a moba on the side last year and haven't had much drive to try a new one since, smite seems good though.

We should make NW Team and go to The Division. Call ourselves Look Asylum Play Denial.

Yea I've been casually playing Smite. It's fun.

indylol · December 2015

Isn't that a tom clancy game? I haven't read anything about it but the only thing I remember is a few mod4 players saying that game would kill both nw and eso lol.

shoukons · December 2015

indylol said:
Isn't that a tom clancy game? I haven't read anything about it but the only thing I remember is a few mod4 players saying that game would kill both nw and eso lol.

Not sure if it's going to kill NW and ESO. It'll take me away from NW for sure though. NW will kill itself as it's beend oing on PC and xbox. No one but Cryptic can take the credit for that. The Division is going to be a good, tactical shooter that's more like the Ghost Recon games they made.
We all should get together on that game though. The PvP in it is great. You shoot up another squad of 4 and take all the stuff they found. THEN, you can betray your team and take all their items and never get an inv to their party ever again.

azuosed89 · December 2015

The big guilds COULD make an agreement and if we really fear the game will die, we could agree to not use it at all... it is just a thought.
I think people on PC tried that, but it didn't work as someone would always use to benefit.
I think it is nice they rewarded the big guilds and donations with boons and this stuff, but it feels like the huge numbers of these boons+ ap drain and stuff were a bit exagerated. There is no place for small guilds in Neverwinter.
They either make it cheaper and faster for small guilds reach, or they reduce the effectiveness of the boons and those glyphs.

Maybe the glyphs could work in Siege only to make it fair or something. The PvP won't be attractive for new players anymore...
you know what is sad? just when the pvp was getting better (better class balance, cheaper to get geared and stuff), they go and they add something totally weird and throw random numbers out there and put us in a situation that we don't know what will happen with the game any longer.

brockgully · December 2015

Overwhelming self satisfaction of certain players, is already dictating neverwinter. Where if some agreement were made to abstain use, there would still be the greedy few. Guilds are now encouraged to run cheese compilations, and glitches. When will we learn this has gone to far? When neverwinter dies?

I like to win as much as the next person, but still enjoy the thrill of competition. The most respected pvp guilds have died, but at least some of their morals should be impacted on others. These titans frowned on cheating, and cheese compilations, usually served by a boot from guild.

"Waves goodbye to PvP"

s4v10rx · December 2015

azuosed89 said:
The big guilds COULD make an agreement and if we really fear the game will die, we could agree to not use it at all... it is just a thought.
I think people on PC tried that, but it didn't work as someone would always use to benefit.
I think it is nice they rewarded the big guilds and donations with boons and this stuff, but it feels like the huge numbers of these boons+ ap drain and stuff were a bit exagerated. There is no place for small guilds in Neverwinter.
They either make it cheaper and faster for small guilds reach, or they reduce the effectiveness of the boons and those glyphs.

Maybe the glyphs could work in Siege only to make it fair or something. The PvP won't be attractive for new players anymore...
you know what is sad? just when the pvp was getting better (better class balance, cheaper to get geared and stuff), they go and they add something totally weird and throw random numbers out there and put us in a situation that we don't know what will happen with the game any longer.

they tried that agreement in pc and did not work and this game on xb1 will died out the same as pc does and the devs don't really care on the pvp aspect of this game and this game on xb1 will have the same affect as the pc where gamers that love pvp from smaller guild will switch to big guild

azuosed89 · December 2015

s4v10rx said:

azuosed89 said:
The big guilds COULD make an agreement and if we really fear the game will die, we could agree to not use it at all... it is just a thought.
I think people on PC tried that, but it didn't work as someone would always use to benefit.
I think it is nice they rewarded the big guilds and donations with boons and this stuff, but it feels like the huge numbers of these boons+ ap drain and stuff were a bit exagerated. There is no place for small guilds in Neverwinter.
They either make it cheaper and faster for small guilds reach, or they reduce the effectiveness of the boons and those glyphs.

Maybe the glyphs could work in Siege only to make it fair or something. The PvP won't be attractive for new players anymore...
you know what is sad? just when the pvp was getting better (better class balance, cheaper to get geared and stuff), they go and they add something totally weird and throw random numbers out there and put us in a situation that we don't know what will happen with the game any longer.
they tried that agreement in pc and did not work and this game on xb1 will died out the same as pc does and the devs don't really care on the pvp aspect of this game and this game on xb1 will have the same affect as the pc where gamers that love pvp from smaller guild will switch to big guild

this is sad actually. sometimes it feels they just trying to squeeze our wallets a little longer before the game is shut down. lol.

s4v10rx · December 2015

azuosed89 said:

s4v10rx said:

azuosed89 said:
The big guilds COULD make an agreement and if we really fear the game will die, we could agree to not use it at all... it is just a thought.
I think people on PC tried that, but it didn't work as someone would always use to benefit.
I think it is nice they rewarded the big guilds and donations with boons and this stuff, but it feels like the huge numbers of these boons+ ap drain and stuff were a bit exagerated. There is no place for small guilds in Neverwinter.
They either make it cheaper and faster for small guilds reach, or they reduce the effectiveness of the boons and those glyphs.

Maybe the glyphs could work in Siege only to make it fair or something. The PvP won't be attractive for new players anymore...
you know what is sad? just when the pvp was getting better (better class balance, cheaper to get geared and stuff), they go and they add something totally weird and throw random numbers out there and put us in a situation that we don't know what will happen with the game any longer.
they tried that agreement in pc and did not work and this game on xb1 will died out the same as pc does and the devs don't really care on the pvp aspect of this game and this game on xb1 will have the same affect as the pc where gamers that love pvp from smaller guild will switch to big guild

this is sad actually. sometimes it feels they just trying to squeeze our wallets a little longer before the game is shut down. lol.

well perfect world entertainment is after all a big corporation with shareholders , so in the end all they care about is their bottom line instead of putting gamers first and gamers is the core of their business, without gamers this game is nothing

yourenext2die · December 2015

This should be in the feedback section, the one the devs pay attention to... when they decide to.

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shoukons · December 2015

s4v10rx said:

azuosed89 said:

s4v10rx said:

azuosed89 said:
The big guilds COULD make an agreement and if we really fear the game will die, we could agree to not use it at all... it is just a thought.
I think people on PC tried that, but it didn't work as someone would always use to benefit.
I think it is nice they rewarded the big guilds and donations with boons and this stuff, but it feels like the huge numbers of these boons+ ap drain and stuff were a bit exagerated. There is no place for small guilds in Neverwinter.
They either make it cheaper and faster for small guilds reach, or they reduce the effectiveness of the boons and those glyphs.

Maybe the glyphs could work in Siege only to make it fair or something. The PvP won't be attractive for new players anymore...
you know what is sad? just when the pvp was getting better (better class balance, cheaper to get geared and stuff), they go and they add something totally weird and throw random numbers out there and put us in a situation that we don't know what will happen with the game any longer.
they tried that agreement in pc and did not work and this game on xb1 will died out the same as pc does and the devs don't really care on the pvp aspect of this game and this game on xb1 will have the same affect as the pc where gamers that love pvp from smaller guild will switch to big guild

this is sad actually. sometimes it feels they just trying to squeeze our wallets a little longer before the game is shut down. lol.
well perfect world entertainment is after all a big corporation with shareholders , so in the end all they care about is their bottom line instead of putting gamers first and gamers is the core of their business, without gamers this game is nothing

If they were smart for their shareholders they'd put into action the obvious way of making the AD sites retreat from this game. I watch the market and have wanted to invest in this company, but historically they are weak in the market and they have bad practices across their game platforms. Difficult to fully enjoy the game and not a good financial investment =(

The game industry is a capitalist enough market. If we don't like what's going on we just need to put our money and time elsewhere. Corporations are much more likely to listen to the shareholders and not the users. Also, after they milk this game, and this game collapse, doesn't really matter since the corporation is smart and has put their eggs in many baskets. Not good for players of the individual game for it takes away incentive to make the game better for us.

Markey, motivation etc is complicated, but it creates the frustrations we have on the forums and the hopelessness we feel when we know the individual player is not heard. We may not see what's going on, but we see the end product.

There is also a complacent mentality in our culture + our lack of many MMO's for us to choose from so we're also in a bind. We have NW, ESO, Onigiri and Warframe. If an actual MMO such as The Old Republic came to console it would be immense. Also, there's a reason some of those great MMOs on PS4 don't make it here on XBox. I personally had hope for Onigiri but it's a HAMSTER poor port from the computer.

indylol · December 2015

I would play wow on xbox, then lose 6 years of my life and wake up saying "wtf happened."

But id still do it...

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shoukons · December 2015

indylol said:
I would play wow on xbox, then lose 6 years of my life and wake up saying "wtf happened."

But id still do it...

If WoW came to XBox I'd have to get rid of my console. I'd destroy my life on that game...too many years playing that one as it is. WoW started my youtube channel.

yourenext2die · December 2015

poopoomcmuffns said:
The devs don't pay attention to anything here.

Panderus comes on here to soak up feedback.

yourenext2die · December 2015

If everyone were to get together and send him a plethora of PM's regarding what a HAMSTER idea is was to implement these new glyphs into the game, then maybe we can get a response.

armadeonx · December 2015

I think it's astounding that players are even needing to talk about boycotting the use of some enchantments du to the negative impact they have on game play.

It truly amazes me that the game developers introduce aspects that shorten the life of their own product.

You couldn't make it up.

shoukons · December 2015

armadeonx said:
I think it's astounding that players are even needing to talk about boycotting the use of some enchantments du to the negative impact they have on game play.

It truly amazes me that the game developers introduce aspects that shorten the life of their own product.

You couldn't make it up.

Humans implementing behavior destructive to their own well being a surprise? It should be a surprise, but it's not. We just gotta give away all the offense/defense glyphs and the gear to everyone possible to negate the stupidity of these glyphs. I know Asylum opened an official thread and doing it for free and I know Denial will do the same when we get our Market place up so it doesn't all fall on Asylum to do so.

If everyone ran the defense glyphs it would erase people using the offensive ones, and the ones who did would affect the players who were running the defensive glyphs since, in tooltip theory, it should negate the drain. There is a PROBLEM though somewhere because there are boons that help with draining and defending against draining so we'll see what happens as more guild halls progress. Maybe the major guilds can agree to not make those buildings for those boons and if a guild does we come together and farm them relentlessly until they destroy that building.

We're all really working too hard to keep a companies game a live, and we're doing it for free. That's what's truly amazing.

azuosed89 · December 2015

shoukons said:

armadeonx said:
I think it's astounding that players are even needing to talk about boycotting the use of some enchantments du to the negative impact they have on game play.

It truly amazes me that the game developers introduce aspects that shorten the life of their own product.

You couldn't make it up.
Humans implementing behavior destructive to their own well being a surprise? It should be a surprise, but it's not. We just gotta give away all the offense/defense glyphs and the gear to everyone possible to negate the stupidity of these glyphs. I know Asylum opened an official thread and doing it for free and I know Denial will do the same when we get our Market place up so it doesn't all fall on Asylum to do so.

If everyone ran the defense glyphs it would erase people using the offensive ones, and the ones who did would affect the players who were running the defensive glyphs since, in tooltip theory, it should negate the drain. There is a PROBLEM though somewhere because there are boons that help with draining and defending against draining so we'll see what happens as more guild halls progress. Maybe the major guilds can agree to not make those buildings for those boons and if a guild does we come together and farm them relentlessly until they destroy that building.

We're all really working too hard to keep a companies game a live, and we're doing it for free. That's what's truly amazing.

from what I heard, with the boons, the drain will always overcome the wards... which suck. but not sure.

s4v10rx · December 2015

shoukons said:

s4v10rx said:

azuosed89 said:

s4v10rx said:

azuosed89 said:
The big guilds COULD make an agreement and if we really fear the game will die, we could agree to not use it at all... it is just a thought.
I think people on PC tried that, but it didn't work as someone would always use to benefit.
I think it is nice they rewarded the big guilds and donations with boons and this stuff, but it feels like the huge numbers of these boons+ ap drain and stuff were a bit exagerated. There is no place for small guilds in Neverwinter.
They either make it cheaper and faster for small guilds reach, or they reduce the effectiveness of the boons and those glyphs.

Maybe the glyphs could work in Siege only to make it fair or something. The PvP won't be attractive for new players anymore...
you know what is sad? just when the pvp was getting better (better class balance, cheaper to get geared and stuff), they go and they add something totally weird and throw random numbers out there and put us in a situation that we don't know what will happen with the game any longer.
they tried that agreement in pc and did not work and this game on xb1 will died out the same as pc does and the devs don't really care on the pvp aspect of this game and this game on xb1 will have the same affect as the pc where gamers that love pvp from smaller guild will switch to big guild

this is sad actually. sometimes it feels they just trying to squeeze our wallets a little longer before the game is shut down. lol.
well perfect world entertainment is after all a big corporation with shareholders , so in the end all they care about is their bottom line instead of putting gamers first and gamers is the core of their business, without gamers this game is nothing
If they were smart for their shareholders they'd put into action the obvious way of making the AD sites retreat from this game. I watch the market and have wanted to invest in this company, but historically they are weak in the market and they have bad practices across their game platforms. Difficult to fully enjoy the game and not a good financial investment =(

The game industry is a capitalist enough market. If we don't like what's going on we just need to put our money and time elsewhere. Corporations are much more likely to listen to the shareholders and not the users. Also, after they milk this game, and this game collapse, doesn't really matter since the corporation is smart and has put their eggs in many baskets. Not good for players of the individual game for it takes away incentive to make the game better for us.

Markey, motivation etc is complicated, but it creates the frustrations we have on the forums and the hopelessness we feel when we know the individual player is not heard. We may not see what's going on, but we see the end product.

There is also a complacent mentality in our culture + our lack of many MMO's for us to choose from so we're also in a bind. We have NW, ESO, Onigiri and Warframe. If an actual MMO such as The Old Republic came to console it would be immense. Also, there's a reason some of those great MMOs on PS4 don't make it here on XBox. I personally had hope for Onigiri but it's a HAMSTER poor port from the computer.

what u say is true, tho if the shareholder or cryptic and pwe really listened to the gamer feedback, they will get rid of the stamina and ap drained from the game on the pc side but so far the devs did not do anything on pc n the pc have seen a tremendous decline on the player base. imho, the devs is more of a pve mentality which is why they create all this to discourage ppl from pvp and instead just do pve grind. being a long time supporter after i saw how bad they become after they become a big company, decided to sell my share of this company 2 weeks ago and i can say i make a good dividend and ROI especially it's all tax free

Stamina Drain Glyphs too OP

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