icyphishMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,255Arc User
Hmm.... Ring of Natural Order is the only one that concerns me, those that gives other interesting skills/procs that can only be good situationally sounds fun, but not those that removes all buffs, selected buffs yes, such as potions or buffs given by others such as Gift, but definitely not everything, especially the ones that removes a class/paragon's core function, it seems the devs are working on changing ring of natural order, lets see how it turns out
this is an unrealistic offer everybody knows that a GWF at IL 2,2 has not much to tell except you give him: a negation and a feytouched to be at permanent DR capped and do insane damage, lolset on top and you are ready to rumble
Every cookie-cutter-GWF-build I face in PVP, that wears negation, feytouched, lolset has not at all any problems to take care of a warlock at same level with same enchants, not one, no repel...no ability to puch him away and hes got stamina endlessley
its known since ages that GWF grow with equip The GWF´s with no weapon enchants nor Negation nor lolset are no threat most time and its easy to understand why our dots tick high on them, thats it They got 25+15% DR all in all at 80% cap, having a bit arp you can get them far under cap and kill them. A 3k GWF upwards , with broken enchants finishes your warlock in no time, easily, at every time, being more mobile having more stamina more stats more power more defence more buffs more more you also could offer to meat at level 30 to face each other The fact that you do not run feytouched negation and lolset, doesn´t give you any argument to tell ppl GWF in balanced in PVP. Obviously you do have no clear insight in doing PVP with warlock against some higher geaered builds.
The reason why GF says " GWF are easy"? GWF has to be in combat with a shielded tank, that can double mark himself, having 13-15k arp he can tank more than GWF and dish out higher burstdamage...whats the point ?
So basically what you wrote is: GWF class has not much, but when using all the broken items it can become super-powerful.
The very fact i do not run the broken items gives me, unlike most player, a clear view about what THE CLASS itself can do. Instead, what you guys look at, is THE INTERACTION between a specific class and BROKEN/ OVERPERFORMING ITEMS. More specifically, the fact that there's a STRONGER SINERGY between GWF mechanics and current broken items.
Example: eLoL set scales with weapon damage AND is overperforming. Now, while it overperforms on every DPS class with good crit chance, it specifically gets a boost on GWF. If you "fix" the bonus to do not overperform, all classes are hit, but the class the set works better on (GWF) is hit even more--->indirect nerf, but specifically aimed at the source of imbalance.
Example: T.Fey protects from burst damage with 100% uptime. All classes benefit but one class is designed to be vulnerable/ weak to initial burst damage more than others, and then grow stronger to fill the gap accumulated at the start of the fight, and T.Fey specifically allows that class to "overcome" his weakness. Interaction between the broken triplet and destroyer mechanics have been explained in detail, look for some old posts of mine or ayroux or icy for more detailed explanations.
So again i suggest you to re-read your post: what you keep repeating is that GWF itself is not that strong but yeah, that broken triplet makes him a beast. So please, nerf the class, not the items. Makes sense?
If you want to see how a class really performs, you must look at it out of the broken BiS combos cause these "BiS" combos are nothing more than exploitations of broken interactions with specific gear.
Unrealistic offer asking to test classes out of broken items, to see how powerful and balanced CORE MECHANICS really are?
Players want to "balance" classes but don't want to take the time to understand what comes from real mechanics, what comes from gear and what comes from gear-mechanics interactions. Example: a "certain" GWF telling me, like you, that "it's not his fault if i use Soulforged". Not realizing that Negation is useless vs a GF burst with high ArP, cause the stacks have no time to build up.
You test classes mechanics to see how they perform. If the lack of balance comes from mechanics, it makes no difference what gear the two enemies use, as long as it's not the "broken" ones. For example, some classes play at BiS level without T.Fey-T.Negation restriction. They can pick up a vorpal or different (but still powerful) enchants, and still compete. A GWF "must" be a T.Fey-T.Neg type or you go from "monster" to "weak".
Shouldn't this tell you enough about what comes from the class itself and what comes from broken items and their sinergy with the class? Cause while all broken items are broken on all classes, they specifically, as explained, sinergize with GWF mechanics "mitigating" the counter to the class (burst damage at the start) and being overbuffed by weapon damage (eLoL set). Same as Elven Battle on tank classes like OP/DC. On another class (say CW) the enchant is (was?) overperforming, nullifying all CC, but on a tank class like DC tanks, it becomes a lot more unbalanced because it specifically nullifies the foundamnetal mechanic that is a counter to the class defenses (heavy CC).
You must first achieve enchant balance, then balance classes. You cannot balance a CLASS based on its performance with a specific set of broken items that specifically interact better with that class' mechanics.
Theoretically... Practically there is no balance about enchants and broken classes like OP and lots of more So do we discuss theory or do we have to talk about reality wich happens ingame due to tons of broken enchants powers builds feats etc.
Like, "in theory damnation path deals poor damage!" In reality you even out damage some GWF
i am agree about this new Rings will give some class mekanic indirect nerf more hard than others.. but thats is the point we got the same option to be able to use those ring.. the fact that some class get countered worst like TR, OP, GWF,exct is hard evidence that those class got more benefit from their buff are more OP than other class
to make it straight i am talking about endgame PVP with almost BIS VS BIS scenario
remember when devs raise tenacity and nerf crit damage? as an HR i hate it.. but it's nerf all class as equal and TR who was OP before been striken worst.. and in my opinion it become better now
remember when devs launch AP drain and stamina drain? all class got the same opportunity to use it..(except those who not yet be able to acsses it yet) so why some class got worst indirect nerf than other class? the fact is some class got a better daily power and shift mekanic more than other class
try to think this is not indirect nerf only to your class.. all class will be striken by it and make pvp become more varies as an HR i hate ring of natural,it can erase my fox cunning,master trapper,move speed,aspect serpent,deft strike buff as an HR i hate ring of vision, it can make me expose my self when i am in forest ghost as an HR i hate ring of vanishing pressence, it can cancel my combo rotation and being eat up by CW or other class rotation this about what are your build gameplay..? use the ring that can counter the most class you hate we can only wear 2 ring so look at different view.. if you are GWF/OP/CW/DC/SW/GF and been facing player who use ring of vision what good those ring to your oppenent? the important issue is devs need prohibit player to be able to change ring equip inside pvp map and all gonna be fine
personaly i thank devs for going to the right direction to balancing pvp, just please make it work as intended with no fatal bug, just one man opinion
What sight range will have that new ring with Stealth detection? I think this is very important. This is the first mmorpg with this kind of reform. In other mmorpgs does not exist items for detecting player Stealth. If the developers made such disgraceful thing like that ring, so, goodbye Lashing Blade, TR control too short, no Stealth, no ITC, and what is happening? "They" removed from the Lion (TR) his claws, teeth, legs, and said: let survive!!
What sight range will have that new ring with Stealth detection? I think this is very important. This is the first mmorpg with this kind of reform. In other mmorpgs does not exist items for detecting player Stealth. If the developers made such disgraceful thing like that ring, so, goodbye Lashing Blade, TR control too short, no Stealth, no ITC, and what is happening? "They" removed from the Lion (TR) his claws, teeth, legs, and said: let survive!!
PS. Create a new ring against the CW control.
in other mmopg TR class don't have cc imune + 100% deflect change with 75% severity , will be reveal after make first contact, can't perform permastealth, there are skill by another class or useable item to reveal stealth.. please stop your nonsense, no offense
What sight range will have that new ring with Stealth detection? I think this is very important. This is the first mmorpg with this kind of reform. In other mmorpgs does not exist items for detecting player Stealth. If the developers made such disgraceful thing like that ring, so, goodbye Lashing Blade, TR control too short, no Stealth, no ITC, and what is happening? "They" removed from the Lion (TR) his claws, teeth, legs, and said: let survive!!
PS. Create a new ring against the CW control.
in other mmopg TR class don't have cc imune + 100% deflect change with 75% severity , will be reveal after make first contact, can't perform permastealth, there are skill by another class or useable item to reveal stealth.. please stop your nonsense, no offense
Of all the MMOs I've played nothing is close to being as OP as TRs can be in this game. That's not to say there aren't any, but I haven't seen it yet.
What sight range will have that new ring with Stealth detection? I think this is very important. This is the first mmorpg with this kind of reform. In other mmorpgs does not exist items for detecting player Stealth. If the developers made such disgraceful thing like that ring, so, goodbye Lashing Blade, TR control too short, no Stealth, no ITC, and what is happening? "They" removed from the Lion (TR) his claws, teeth, legs, and said: let survive!!
PS. Create a new ring against the CW control.
in other mmopg TR class don't have cc imune + 100% deflect change with 75% severity , will be reveal after make first contact, can't perform permastealth, there are skill by another class or useable item to reveal stealth.. please stop your nonsense, no offense
In this game you also have skills for detecting Stealth. Item to reveal player Stealth in what game tell me please? Are you talking for standing still in dark invisibility skill, or true Stealth skill? In other games Rogue is also OP for pvp. Nonsense? Because ITC is the only surviving skill for TR, and it will be obsolete you calling that nonsense? Why the devs developed saboteur path if they will ruin perma stealth? That is nonsense. TR without perma build, and ITC will die easily. No nonsense, and non taken.
What sight range will have that new ring with Stealth detection? I think this is very important. This is the first mmorpg with this kind of reform. In other mmorpgs does not exist items for detecting player Stealth. If the developers made such disgraceful thing like that ring, so, goodbye Lashing Blade, TR control too short, no Stealth, no ITC, and what is happening? "They" removed from the Lion (TR) his claws, teeth, legs, and said: let survive!!
PS. Create a new ring against the CW control.
in other mmopg TR class don't have cc imune + 100% deflect change with 75% severity , will be reveal after make first contact, can't perform permastealth, there are skill by another class or useable item to reveal stealth.. please stop your nonsense, no offense
In this game you also have skills for detecting Stealth. Item to reveal player Stealth in what game tell me please? Are you talking for standing still in dark invisibility skill, or true Stealth skill? In other games Rogue is also OP for pvp. Nonsense? Because ITC is the only surviving skill for TR, and it will be obsolete you calling that nonsense? Why the devs developed saboteur path if they will ruin perma stealth? That is nonsense. TR without perma build, and ITC will die easily. No nonsense, and non taken.
you mention that "in other games Rogue is also OP for PVP", so you accept that your class are OP in PVP thx for your honesty ITC as only surviving skill for TR? cc imune +100% change deflec and 75% severity not mention stealth and long roll, really??? you need to try play HR againts TR or GWF as i said before it's not like the ring effect can be spawnable or have no boundry please read and learn more in prev sorry i don't feed the troll
What sight range will have that new ring with Stealth detection? I think this is very important. This is the first mmorpg with this kind of reform. In other mmorpgs does not exist items for detecting player Stealth. If the developers made such disgraceful thing like that ring, so, goodbye Lashing Blade, TR control too short, no Stealth, no ITC, and what is happening? "They" removed from the Lion (TR) his claws, teeth, legs, and said: let survive!!
PS. Create a new ring against the CW control.
in other mmopg TR class don't have cc imune + 100% deflect change with 75% severity , will be reveal after make first contact, can't perform permastealth, there are skill by another class or useable item to reveal stealth.. please stop your nonsense, no offense
In this game you also have skills for detecting Stealth. Item to reveal player Stealth in what game tell me please? Are you talking for standing still in dark invisibility skill, or true Stealth skill? In other games Rogue is also OP for pvp. Nonsense? Because ITC is the only surviving skill for TR, and it will be obsolete you calling that nonsense? Why the devs developed saboteur path if they will ruin perma stealth? That is nonsense. TR without perma build, and ITC will die easily. No nonsense, and non taken.
you mention that "in other games Rogue is also OP for PVP", so you accept that your class are OP in PVP thx for your honesty ITC as only surviving skill for TR? cc imune +100% change deflec and 75% severity not mention stealth and long roll, really??? you need to try play HR againts TR or GWF as i said before it's not like the ring effect can be spawnable or have no boundry please read and learn more in prev sorry i don't feed the troll
Of course is OP. You welcome. Please just don't wright about HR perma root class lol, but yes i can agree that HR is weak class. There is a better way to make changes for OP classes. Really no need for those rings.
Seems you do enjoy the advantages you will gain over other classes. More easy kills for you, because you aren't effected at all, while other classes will suffer pretty hard... typical TR logic.
Stealth reveal ring any bells? Every HR would be using one, no stealth equals easy prey for thorned roots. If the devs want to fold (again) on everyone's complaining over stealth then add more damage to our at will powers and lower our 17-20 second cool down times on our encounters. All of our damage comes from stealth and even then it's barely on par with the next guy's damage output. Let alone the heavy hit to crit from Tenacity.
Super Saiyan God- TR Lvl 70 (PVP) Unleash The Wolves- HR Lvl 70 (PVE) <font color="Aquamarine">"Non-Pay-To-Win"</font> I hunt GWF "Magik" on sight.
What sight range will have that new ring with Stealth detection? I think this is very important. This is the first mmorpg with this kind of reform. In other mmorpgs does not exist items for detecting player Stealth. If the developers made such disgraceful thing like that ring, so, goodbye Lashing Blade, TR control too short, no Stealth, no ITC, and what is happening? "They" removed from the Lion (TR) his claws, teeth, legs, and said: let survive!!
PS. Create a new ring against the CW control.
in other mmopg TR class don't have cc imune + 100% deflect change with 75% severity , will be reveal after make first contact, can't perform permastealth, there are skill by another class or useable item to reveal stealth.. please stop your nonsense, no offense
this is not other mmo this is spart...opps this is cryptic
(EDIT) So, after this explanation, mind if TR players can explain why this ring of stealth reveal hurts them THAT badly? (/EDIT)
That's not the only ring effecting a TR. Now when exactly was the last time you've gone up against a capable HR or CW with a TR? Without stealth you mine as well not even bother. If you have never used a TR competitively then you couldn't possible have an objective opinion on the matter. I would love to see how long you would last against an capable HR or CW without stealth. When you do come back and let us know how things went.
Super Saiyan God- TR Lvl 70 (PVP) Unleash The Wolves- HR Lvl 70 (PVE) <font color="Aquamarine">"Non-Pay-To-Win"</font> I hunt GWF "Magik" on sight.
How about devoting some time to fix glitches and broken enchantments, and refine each class individually instead of adding more content into a play mode that's already broken.
Super Saiyan God- TR Lvl 70 (PVP) Unleash The Wolves- HR Lvl 70 (PVE) <font color="Aquamarine">"Non-Pay-To-Win"</font> I hunt GWF "Magik" on sight.
(EDIT) So, after this explanation, mind if TR players can explain why this ring of stealth reveal hurts them THAT badly? (/EDIT)
That's not the only ring effecting a TR. Now when exactly was the last time you've gone up against a capable HR or CW with a TR? Without stealth you mine as well not even bother. If you have never used a TR competitively then you couldn't possible have an objective opinion on the matter. I would love to see how long you would last against an capable HR or CW without stealth. When you do come back and let us know how things went.
Strip stealth and dodge away completely and you might find out what it's like to be a SW at the moment.
Stealth or not i will be sure to <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> off most of you, im working on it. Still its just wrong. If stealth rings are going to be a thing i want a no unstoppable/no astral shield/ no bubble for 10 sec every 30 seconds. Its just plain fair.
Stealth or not i will be sure to HAMSTER off most of you, im working on it. Still its just wrong. If stealth rings are going to be a thing i want a no unstoppable/no astral shield/ no bubble for 10 sec every 30 seconds. Its just plain fair.
Bubble Paladin is the biggest mistake in the history of PVP. 10 players can't kill one Paladin in GG, but they will RIP TR!!
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mamalion1234Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,415Arc User
edited November 2015
as cw i will try get the power critical rings for god sake i dont need to reveal stealth on a tr i have the eyes to find him. RING need to go is the stealth one. Imagine a guardian fighter to anvil from nowhere.
yep you can cry you can laugh at me as much as you want as last no more op players i can take your entire op buffs and exploits and actually have a chance to kill you skill vs skill !!!
i like it and cant wait to do pvp against all those "top pvpers" that suddenly will need ohh my god: skill to kill
wont make a blind bit of difference till pvp is completely overhauled pvp now is a universal joke any who don't agree must exploit some broken feats/enchants/power/class/path ect to gain a massive advantage we need to overcome this sill motion that its ok to exploit broken things to get an advantage its ruins what could be a really fun pvp environment.
What sight range will have that new ring with Stealth detection? I think this is very important. This is the first mmorpg with this kind of reform. In other mmorpgs does not exist items for detecting player Stealth. If the developers made such disgraceful thing like that ring, so, goodbye Lashing Blade, TR control too short, no Stealth, no ITC, and what is happening? "They" removed from the Lion (TR) his claws, teeth, legs, and said: let survive!!
PS. Create a new ring against the CW control.
in other mmopg TR class don't have cc imune + 100% deflect change with 75% severity , will be reveal after make first contact, can't perform permastealth, there are skill by another class or useable item to reveal stealth.. please stop your nonsense, no offense
this is not other mmo this is spart...opps this is cryptic
yea please explain it to ivcakamikaze.. seriusly read prev post before you even quote and response anyone post
skill vs skill. Don't make me laugh. With TR u no need skills, actually even if u play with one hand, also in same time drinking coffee/tea/beer/vine or whatever, even u don't look to pc/laptops screen u still beat anyone.. 1 hit enemy dead. Then Hide>strike>hide>strike. Like it require skills huh? For total new player in mmorpg world, would require like ~15 training and he will have such "skills" to go as u say. against top pvpers... real skills comes when underpowred class beat overpowred class.
lol. Like GWF does... hidden daggers, one hit from WMS, click click click when unstopable full tab and click click click. Rinse and repeat
stock and stone I can master, but there's a Wizard to manage here!
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romotheoneMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 729Arc User
So I can counter immortal GWFs who 1hit people now? I'm sold!
So I can counter immortal GWFs who 1hit people now? I'm sold!
yes a CW can counter A Cookie Cutter GWF, a warlock can´t I personally saw a CW wearing actual 4 PVE pieces 2,8k GS+ 2 PVP rings + Valindra Set, using repel very effectively+ Iceknife I guess +...shield? can´t say (named eron with a V first) he easily outplayed far better geared known Cooki-Cutter-GWF`s in a row in 4 following pug matches (GWF standart: Lolset T Fey and T Negation 3,5k GS--> everyone knows what that means) they could not stack buffs and get near him effectively, only controled them and repelled, when not unstoppable, dodging some hits, repel etc. ..... leading to a 8:0 for the CW and he did sweat at all, watching him, it looked easy peasy, so maybe skill + right build
warlock its a 0:8, having full PVP set on top, simply because the class has no repel no shield and no dodge, leading to the fact that the GWF stands all time on your feet stacks buffs as hell and kills you in no time ... so jaelous about that but a warlock kills the CW so the circle is closed again
Ok i will try to stay polite, this is what we call in good old Europe in the industry "economic programming". This kind of cost effective programming never brings any kind of success.
I tell you how we do it. I use exactly the same products we manufacture. I go out to the raw products into the machinery hall, totally unexpected, it might be nights. I pick one of the given products, take it and put it into my bike for example. I go out with it next day to ride about 180kms and i use it a year long at least. Does it fail under me, then there is no turkey money, no extra holiday, zero to my staff. Does it fail again, then comes my favorite from Matrix: "Our way or the highway".
Trust me guys, it works 100%, by the unemployment these days my employees don't make hasty and garbage products.
Oh yeah and do not forget, they have to use it themselves too. So if it's garbage, they will feel it first, on their skin, even before it sees a single customer. Of course if the given product is made out of steel, they will have to use the steel one, no magic allowed, no titanium product for my testers. The entire testing would fail, if they did it.
Well that's the old way, it worked for ages and it will still work.
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yep you can cry you can laugh at me as much as you want as last no more op players i can take your entire op buffs and exploits and actually have a chance to kill you skill vs skill !!!
i like it and cant wait to do pvp against all those "top pvpers" that suddenly will need ohh my god: skill to kill
skill vs skill. Don't make me laugh. With TR u no need skills, actually even if u play with one hand, also in same time drinking coffee/tea/beer/vine or whatever, even u don't look to pc/laptops screen u still beat anyone.. 1 hit enemy dead. Then Hide>strike>hide>strike. Like it require skills huh? For total new player in mmorpg world, would require like ~15 training and he will have such "skills" to go as u say. against top pvpers... real skills comes when underpowred class beat overpowred class.
thanx for the vote of confidence
you forgot to mention i drink vodka while pvping and also watch HAMSTER and jerk off at the same time (hi why not have some fun at the same time ahh?) i guess you were bullied a lot by trs when you were little am i right? get over it and learn how to counter trs. dont know how to do it? ask other gwfs how they destroy trs yes even cookie cutter builds.
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The very fact i do not run the broken items gives me, unlike most player, a clear view about what THE CLASS itself can do.
Instead, what you guys look at, is THE INTERACTION between a specific class and BROKEN/ OVERPERFORMING ITEMS. More specifically, the fact that there's a STRONGER SINERGY between GWF mechanics and current broken items.
Example: eLoL set scales with weapon damage AND is overperforming. Now, while it overperforms on every DPS class with good crit chance, it specifically gets a boost on GWF. If you "fix" the bonus to do not overperform, all classes are hit, but the class the set works better on (GWF) is hit even more--->indirect nerf, but specifically aimed at the source of imbalance.
Example: T.Fey protects from burst damage with 100% uptime. All classes benefit but one class is designed to be vulnerable/ weak to initial burst damage more than others, and then grow stronger to fill the gap accumulated at the start of the fight, and T.Fey specifically allows that class to "overcome" his weakness.
Interaction between the broken triplet and destroyer mechanics have been explained in detail, look for some old posts of mine or ayroux or icy for more detailed explanations.
So again i suggest you to re-read your post: what you keep repeating is that GWF itself is not that strong but yeah, that broken triplet makes him a beast. So please, nerf the class, not the items. Makes sense?
If you want to see how a class really performs, you must look at it out of the broken BiS combos cause these "BiS" combos are nothing more than exploitations of broken interactions with specific gear.
Unrealistic offer asking to test classes out of broken items, to see how powerful and balanced CORE MECHANICS really are?
Players want to "balance" classes but don't want to take the time to understand what comes from real mechanics, what comes from gear and what comes from gear-mechanics interactions.
Example: a "certain" GWF telling me, like you, that "it's not his fault if i use Soulforged". Not realizing that Negation is useless vs a GF burst with high ArP, cause the stacks have no time to build up.
You test classes mechanics to see how they perform. If the lack of balance comes from mechanics, it makes no difference what gear the two enemies use, as long as it's not the "broken" ones.
For example, some classes play at BiS level without T.Fey-T.Negation restriction. They can pick up a vorpal or different (but still powerful) enchants, and still compete.
A GWF "must" be a T.Fey-T.Neg type or you go from "monster" to "weak".
Shouldn't this tell you enough about what comes from the class itself and what comes from broken items and their sinergy with the class?
Cause while all broken items are broken on all classes, they specifically, as explained, sinergize with GWF mechanics "mitigating" the counter to the class (burst damage at the start) and being overbuffed by weapon damage (eLoL set).
Same as Elven Battle on tank classes like OP/DC. On another class (say CW) the enchant is (was?) overperforming, nullifying all CC, but on a tank class like DC tanks, it becomes a lot more unbalanced because it specifically nullifies the foundamnetal mechanic that is a counter to the class defenses (heavy CC).
You must first achieve enchant balance, then balance classes. You cannot balance a CLASS based on its performance with a specific set of broken items that specifically interact better with that class' mechanics.
Practically there is no balance about enchants and broken classes like OP and lots of more
So do we discuss theory or do we have to talk about reality wich happens ingame due to tons of broken enchants powers builds feats etc.
Like, "in theory damnation path deals poor damage!"
In reality you even out damage some GWF
but thats is the point we got the same option to be able to use those ring.. the fact that some class get countered worst like TR, OP, GWF,exct is hard evidence that those class got more benefit from their buff are more OP than other class
to make it straight i am talking about endgame PVP with almost BIS VS BIS scenario
remember when devs raise tenacity and nerf crit damage? as an HR i hate it.. but it's nerf all class as equal and TR who was OP before been striken worst.. and in my opinion it become better now
remember when devs launch AP drain and stamina drain? all class got the same opportunity to use it..(except those who not yet be able to acsses it yet) so why some class got worst indirect nerf than other class? the fact is some class got a better daily power and shift mekanic more than other class
try to think this is not indirect nerf only to your class.. all class will be striken by it and make pvp become more varies
as an HR i hate ring of natural,it can erase my fox cunning,master trapper,move speed,aspect serpent,deft strike buff
as an HR i hate ring of vision, it can make me expose my self when i am in forest ghost
as an HR i hate ring of vanishing pressence, it can cancel my combo rotation and being eat up by CW or other class rotation
this about what are your build gameplay..? use the ring that can counter the most class you hate
we can only wear 2 ring so look at different view.. if you are GWF/OP/CW/DC/SW/GF and been facing player who use ring of vision what good those ring to your oppenent?
the important issue is devs need prohibit player to be able to change ring equip inside pvp map and all gonna be fine
personaly i thank devs for going to the right direction to balancing pvp, just please make it work as intended with no fatal bug, just one man opinion
This is the first mmorpg with this kind of reform. In other mmorpgs does not exist items for detecting player Stealth.
If the developers made such disgraceful thing like that ring, so, goodbye Lashing Blade, TR control too short,
no Stealth, no ITC, and what is happening? "They" removed from the Lion (TR) his claws, teeth, legs, and said: let survive!!
PS. Create a new ring against the CW control.
please stop your nonsense, no offense
Nonsense? Because ITC is the only surviving skill for TR, and it will be obsolete you calling that nonsense?
Why the devs developed saboteur path if they will ruin perma stealth? That is nonsense.
TR without perma build, and ITC will die easily. No nonsense, and non taken.
ITC as only surviving skill for TR? cc imune +100% change deflec and 75% severity not mention stealth and long roll, really???
you need to try play HR againts TR or GWF
as i said before it's not like the ring effect can be spawnable or have no boundry please read and learn more in prev
sorry i don't feed the troll
Please just don't wright about HR perma root class lol, but yes i can agree that HR is weak class.
There is a better way to make changes for OP classes. Really no need for those rings.
Unleash The Wolves- HR Lvl 70 (PVE)
<font color="Aquamarine">"Non-Pay-To-Win"</font>
I hunt GWF "Magik" on sight.
Unleash The Wolves- HR Lvl 70 (PVE)
<font color="Aquamarine">"Non-Pay-To-Win"</font>
I hunt GWF "Magik" on sight.
Unleash The Wolves- HR Lvl 70 (PVE)
<font color="Aquamarine">"Non-Pay-To-Win"</font>
I hunt GWF "Magik" on sight.
RING need to go is the stealth one. Imagine a guardian fighter to anvil from nowhere.
@ivcakamikaze one warlock can do that 1 vs 1, sometimes needs little support, so my 2,8k warlock killed a 3,7k OP in SH PVP
seriusly read prev post before you even quote and response anyone post
hidden daggers, one hit from WMS, click click click when unstopable full tab and click click click. Rinse and repeat
I personally saw a CW wearing actual 4 PVE pieces 2,8k GS+ 2 PVP rings + Valindra Set, using repel very effectively+ Iceknife I guess +...shield? can´t say (named eron with a V first)
he easily outplayed far better geared known Cooki-Cutter-GWF`s in a row in 4 following pug matches (GWF standart: Lolset T Fey and T Negation 3,5k GS--> everyone knows what that means)
they could not stack buffs and get near him effectively, only controled them and repelled, when not unstoppable, dodging some hits, repel etc. ..... leading to a 8:0 for the CW
and he did sweat at all, watching him, it looked easy peasy, so maybe skill + right build
warlock its a 0:8, having full PVP set on top, simply because the class has no repel no shield and no dodge, leading to the fact that the GWF stands all time on your feet stacks buffs as hell and kills you in no time
... so jaelous about that
but a warlock kills the CW so the circle is closed again
I tell you how we do it. I use exactly the same products we manufacture. I go out to the raw products into the machinery hall, totally unexpected, it might be nights. I pick one of the given products, take it and put it into my bike for example. I go out with it next day to ride about 180kms and i use it a year long at least. Does it fail under me, then there is no turkey money, no extra holiday, zero to my staff. Does it fail again, then comes my favorite from Matrix: "Our way or the highway".
Trust me guys, it works 100%, by the unemployment these days my employees don't make hasty and garbage products.
Oh yeah and do not forget, they have to use it themselves too. So if it's garbage, they will feel it first, on their skin, even before it sees a single customer. Of course if the given product is made out of steel, they will have to use the steel one, no magic allowed, no titanium product for my testers. The entire testing would fail, if they did it.
Well that's the old way, it worked for ages and it will still work.
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
you forgot to mention i drink vodka while pvping and also watch HAMSTER and jerk off at the same time (hi why not have some fun at the same time ahh?) i guess you were bullied a lot by trs when you were little am i right? get over it and learn how to counter trs. dont know how to do it? ask other gwfs how they destroy trs yes even cookie cutter builds.