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andorrabell
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It would be *very* helpful for us to get some confirmation on what AD pricing is being looked at and a confirmation if anything specific will be changing (and ideally when).
I feel locked on my alts since I really can't afford companions/boons/etc right now but have no idea when or if tax relief is coming and I have to hoard for potential guild coffer upgrade amounts....
I feel locked on my alts since I really can't afford companions/boons/etc right now but have no idea when or if tax relief is coming and I have to hoard for potential guild coffer upgrade amounts....
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...isn't that great?
Just: IMHO it isn't...
For example, a single key and a single stack of 10 preservation wards each cost close to a dollar. With the adjustment to pres wards making them 1 bar each, one key can now get you 1-20 pres wards, plus the actual lockbox drop. But you can still take your dollar and simply buy a stack of 10 wards. A stack of ten keys should get you a coalescent ward on average, plus the other contents of 10 boxes, but you can take the retail price of those keys and just buy the ward if you want.
*Actual numbers appear to be ~8 bars/box.
(tl;dr There are plenty of issues with pricing to complain about, but wards isn't high on my list.)
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Using older lockboxes it's quite easy to generate AD, actually create AD similar to leadership, in greater amounts than the cost of VIP. Which means free account armies with VIP generating tons of AD for the "main" account. People are already doing it, and it's only going to get worse with the trade bar store changes.
The only real limit is the number of these older lockboxes available, if and when there's another lockbox resurgence that limit disappears. But even with just the newer lockboxes, it's not hard to be more than self-sustaining with VIP, it's just you have to get your AD from learning what to sell, what to open - then sell, and what to buy with trade bars - then sell.
Sooner or later the VIP nerf will have to happen.
Okay, Panic.
As for selling lockbox winnings, I don't think they care so much about moving AD around in the economy as long as the transactions are carried out between legit players.
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The moment they take AD out from Campaign boons and tasks, and crafting tasks, so it's only an exchange/trade currency, it might just become credible.
Also, you remember that Tarmalune itmes are BoA/BoP???
I don't know, maybe it's their hope that VIP will eventually run its course, destroying key sales but also taking large amounts of AD out of the economy as it reaches a balance where it no longer reliably pays for itself. Doesn't seem like a good idea to me though, as it's killing player expectations from lockboxes.
It's really hard to care about keys even now because aside from the 1 in 100+ chance of getting a mount or artifact there's very little that can gotten from them that you can't simply buy on the AH for much less than the cost of a key.. If they had another 15% off keys sale right now, I have to wonder how many people would actually buy any compared to previous sales.
Okay, Panic.
Those #s are hidden from us, they might see a stable purchase platform as more ideal then what the had previous.
They wont remove the VIP program for quite awhile, (year or two) dont fret about that.. its just like leadership, when they saw #s from zen going down , they axed it, they would do the same to the VIP program whenever they see it.
Some of you way over-complicate and theorize and conjecture about this part of the economy and that part, its pretty simple. What makes them money, is what will be pushed at that time.
ITs not, never will be and isnt a open supply and demand economy, it may have a aspect of it to the players, but its definitely not this to the company.
They really dont care about how you purchase the vip program, as long as lots of zen is being sold.. thats the bottom line to them.
...well, let's just not mention it, else this might get the thread closed...
pretty little life forms.. your cool if you get that reference all together btw.
Serious though, can we not just get these things fixed, so I and many others can move on and be happy with your game again? Im tired of being negative, but I cant stay positive when it costs so much a day just to stay active.
Come on guys.
if someone made a list of all the costs they want looked at, and proposed new fairer prices, im sure it would make the devs job easier.
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I just think 20k+ for a boon is ridiculous and 50k for an appearance change on an item is pure insanity.
Selling lockbox contents is 80% redistribution and 20% recreation... or there about. I don't mean to give Cryptic to much credit, however they are not that stupid. They (or their friends at PWE) have done a fine job of grasping how an economy works.
Right now they are at a forced redistribution point. They won't be worrying about giving people new easy ways to CREATE AD until they control inflation. Its the same thing that happens in the real world when a government to combat inflation will increase interest rates to reduce the flow of New currency. They will often follow that up decreasing bond prices, making savings more attractive and removing liquid currency from the system. They are now going to do that by adding and reducing prices in the tradebar store... and if it doesn't get the job done they will pull out a string of Xmas sales.
Bottom line the economy in this game was tanked by the easy creation of wealth which lead to run away inflation. There fix may have been quick and dirty, however don't think for a second they don't have a plan. The longer they take to implement each part the more currency redistributes and the more is withheld and saved. MMO economies have to be nurtured a lot more then real $ due to the smaller scale... no one wants to play a game where things where the currencies are rounded to the 20th place value because Hyper inflation. No one wants to deal with a game where day one $20 = 2000 coins... and on day 600 $20 = 2,000,000,000 coins or the reverse wher e $20 = 20 coins. Cryptic did a bad job tending the economy to start out, and the AD bonanza was one major issue. Its going to take a few more months for them to control inflation in a real way... lets just hope they are smarter about it and pay more attention going forward. (its a good example of why most of the larger MMO studios employee economists)
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On the other hand, appearance changes on gear that you are very likely going to be replacing on a regular basis are quite exorbitant. I'm really unhappy with how about half of my characters' equipment looks right now, but there is absolutely zero point in doing anything about it but wait. Yup, I'd be willing to accept that. As much as I think boons have value, I don't want to pay for them when there's any chance the prices will be reduced. More communication, please.
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