I'd much rather see the return of previous dungeons before class balancing simply because 5 total playable dungeons is pretty embarassing and a hard sell to friends who I try to convince to play. Plus Castle Never was the bomb and I miss it.
I can say that there is nothing easy about eCC. Did 3 runs tonight: 3.8k HR, 3.0k CW, 2.6k DC. Describing them as mod 5 difficulty now is laughable at best and dishonest at worst. They are still brutally hard.
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juleadreamMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 372Arc User
eCC... everything up to Blackdagger is now a LOT easier than it used to be. Traven is still a crotchety old b**tard, so my guild is still doing 2/3 runs for the paltry amount of seals.
My guild tried eCC yesterday using two GWF, one SW, one pally and one DC to test out the new changes with IL around 2400. We were almost able to defeat the last boss without using an exploit. We got him down to a 1/4 of his hit points so it is at least now in the realm of possibility of doing. Groups that are in the 2100 to 2300 range should be able to make it regularly to the end boss now. However it still seems required to have a paladin in your group as well as a good healer to take on the last boss. As for the Mod 5 comparison I don't see that at all. A DPS character cannot Rambo it alone in eCC, you will die without the rest of the group to back you up.
T1s are easy for me because I already outgear them.But we kicked the dirt when we tried with 2k+ dungeons with new players because of inexperinece on our team's part.Dungeons are good for my opinion.You shouldnt fear the middle mobs as much as the semiboss or the big boss at the end.Every mobfight was like a bossfight before this patch.Hell I feared archers more than I fear Traven or Syndrinth itself.Now the main problem is every worthwhile loot is in t1 dungeons so people say dungeons are easy.Yeah 1.6k dungeon should be breeze with 3k players.They should make Tiamat as party entry so I can see those crying easy when they are looking for good zerg parties:)Because that is where you can test yourself as a 3K iLevel player
Gratz on planting the seeds to your next class nerf.
How about leave the arm pen the way it was designed and fix the OP class that is extremely overpowered like every new class introduced into NWO.
I'm pretty sure if the devs weren't so busy, major class changes would of found the OP this mod and 90 threads of "you broke my class" would of spawned. It's always happened, but NWO had some restructuring and it didn't happen this time. Live the dream while you can...You got two mods to play god instead of just one like the TR,HR,SW did.
PS. Post screens of you beating Blackdagger legit then put your bragging cap on.
..with Knight's Valor (even though I suspect it's bugged and it's not really working as it should
The GF feats and powers are severely bugged. I go to preview and confirm them when I can. There are threads... But I think it's low on the priority list. GF's usually are.
I think this fix should happen before recent adjustments to mob hp/damage in dungeons. I have yet to test difficulty with GFs - if they find dungeons too easy as well - maybe some changes should be reverted, at least on T2s. If they find the difficulty appropriate - OPs should be nerfed.
Why should be OPs nerfed? Were there a real nerf to SWs? No. They are still doing very much dmg!
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santralafaxMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,896Arc User
If dungeons is to easy for you then scale difficulty yourself. Try to run them without armor and post video on youtube that you did it. That can be challenge. Did run yesterday and did not see any big changes whatsoever.
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mamalion1234Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,415Arc User
edited August 2015
OK to talk a little serious. IF a pt has all the mitigation+ dr buffs will make an extremely easy run because now monsters respect the damage resist-mitigation. Get the 2 supports or the one 1 support and you will have fun.
I Will give an example when you can die easy and is normal. A control wizard has 10% damage resistance average. IF he encounter a group of mobs without dodging will die 1 hit. But if he is under knight valor or divine protector or in cleric astral shield can take 1-2 hit.
Maybe now, SW's and archer HR's have a fighting chance. Beforehand, they couldn't last 2 seconds.
Exactlly. My SW takes two hits and I am on the floor in eCC, and I have an IL of 2300. What this complainers need to do is run eGWD. Tell me then how "EASY" this dungeon is. It is a VERY small minority that will always complain it is to easy, while the majority of us struggle to get through.. I like it the way it is... You want a challenge.. go solo Tiamat.
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klangeddinMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 882Arc User
Maybe now, SW's and archer HR's have a fighting chance. Beforehand, they couldn't last 2 seconds.
Exactlly. My SW takes two hits and I am on the floor in eCC, and I have an IL of 2300. What this complainers need to do is run eGWD. Tell me then how "EASY" this dungeon is. It is a VERY small minority that will always complain it is to easy, while the majority of us struggle to get through.. I like it the way it is... You want a challenge.. go solo Tiamat.
They are quite easy as soon as you figure out the right amount of emphasis on avoiding things and standing still to do a lil more damage in hopes that you magically live through the obvious damage you are about to take for not moving. Pallies are OP mainly because they allow the average novice player the ability to ignore the learning curve and sit in red dps'ing with divine protectors on them. Good groups and premade teams have no issues with these encounters cause the players are aware of how to maximize their survivability and put the emphasis on that instead of praying they live through a hit they could have easily avoided. GWD is especially evident on success or failure based on the players ability to avoid since not avoiding stuff during the boss essentially wipes the group.
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santralafaxMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,896Arc User
The OP is a new class, yet it already has its defenders who play them and refuse to see anything broken with them. Most classes will tell you what is broken with their classes, not OPs though.
Heh, just did an eToS run. Our healer DC immediately kicked the bucket, and the OP tank kept the party alive with the OP prism... Nope, not broken at all...
As for the Mod 5 comparison I don't see that at all. A DPS character cannot Rambo it alone in eCC, you will die without the rest of the group to back you up.
Oh but it will be similar to mod5 as soon as they got the 20% lifesteal boon...
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icyphishMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,255Arc User
OP is very strong in low ilvl and overpowered when they are 3.5-4k ilvl. Even the top tier OP admits that. (such as our guild's OP with BIS and 180k+ HP... good luck bringing him down...) Personally I welcome the fix on armpen as it gives the newer players a better chance to enjoy the dungeons, not frustrstion. The old timers might find the dungeons easy but that because u now have both the gear and experience on the dungeons and they should be noticibly easier; think for the new comers.
Personally I had a guild run on eLOL, eCC and eTOS yesterday, our group had a 2.8k cw the rest are 3.5-4k players (OP, SW, GWF and 2 CWs), we cleaned out eLOL in less than 10 mins. ETOS and ECC legitly all around 15mins. We basically non stop pulled 2-4 groups of mobs consitently without break and nuke them all, however I would not say it would be easy if we didnt have the OP... yes thats how OP they are...
Personally I had a guild run on eLOL, eCC and eTOS yesterday, our group had a 2.8k cw the rest are 3.5-4k players (OP, SW, GWF and 2 CWs), we cleaned out eLOL in less than 10 mins. ETOS and ECC legitly all around 15mins. We basically non stop pulled 2-4 groups of mobs consitently without break and nuke them all, however I would not say it would be easy if we didnt have the OP... yes thats how OP they are...
you might as well have had the wizards tank and added another. 4k il....
T2 dungeons are now way too easy. I tanked eTOS on my 2.4k IL OP without a healer and didn't use any potions or healstones. This group wasn't DPS heavy either. It did have 1 good GWF, but the rest were average DPS at best. I'm not saying this to brag, but that dungeons should be a challenge, and the fix went too far.
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OP is very strong in low ilvl and overpowered when they are 3.5-4k ilvl. Even the top tier OP admits that. (such as our guild's OP with BIS and 180k+ HP... good luck bringing him down...) Personally I welcome the fix on armpen as it gives the newer players a better chance to enjoy the dungeons, not frustrstion. The old timers might find the dungeons easy but that because u now have both the gear and experience on the dungeons and they should be noticibly easier; think for the new comers.
Personally I had a guild run on eLOL, eCC and eTOS yesterday, our group had a 2.8k cw the rest are 3.5-4k players (OP, SW, GWF and 2 CWs), we cleaned out eLOL in less than 10 mins. ETOS and ECC legitly all around 15mins. We basically non stop pulled 2-4 groups of mobs consitently without break and nuke them all, however I would not say it would be easy if we didnt have the OP... yes thats how OP they are...
Another one who needs to go F himself
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How about leave the arm pen the way it was designed and fix the OP class that is extremely overpowered like every new class introduced into NWO.
I'm pretty sure if the devs weren't so busy, major class changes would of found the OP this mod and 90 threads of "you broke my class" would of spawned. It's always happened, but NWO had some restructuring and it didn't happen this time. Live the dream while you can...You got two mods to play god instead of just one like the TR,HR,SW did.
PS. Post screens of you beating Blackdagger legit then put your bragging cap on. The GF feats and powers are severely bugged. I go to preview and confirm them when I can.
There are threads... But I think it's low on the priority list. GF's usually are.
No need to actually make a party with tank+heal. You just burst through with 4-5 dps.
Were there a real nerf to SWs? No. They are still doing very much dmg!
I Will give an example when you can die easy and is normal. A control wizard has 10% damage resistance average. IF he encounter a group of mobs without dodging will die 1 hit. But if he is under knight valor or divine protector or in cleric astral shield can take 1-2 hit.
Personally I had a guild run on eLOL, eCC and eTOS yesterday, our group had a 2.8k cw the rest are 3.5-4k players (OP, SW, GWF and 2 CWs), we cleaned out eLOL in less than 10 mins. ETOS and ECC legitly all around 15mins. We basically non stop pulled 2-4 groups of mobs consitently without break and nuke them all, however I would not say it would be easy if we didnt have the OP... yes thats how OP they are...
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