Do me a favor and post your GT and guild so I can be certain to ignore you on live and in game. Players who are completely selfish and not willing to offer help to others I prefer to just avoid.
Quitting cause of quitters and not the dragons, frowned upon too? I'll usually stay but sometimes when more than half the group quits, it's harder and I burn more pots. This makes me want to quit sometimes =T.
That pulls up a player with 350 gamer score and zero friends and no activity feed. It's understandable you dont want to post your real gamertag and guild. If it is really you, then blocked to be sure.
If you're not willing to fight to the end, you shouldn't enter at all. Saying "oh it's helpless, we're just gonna lose anyway" is a cop-out, fine you got a bad group, so did 24 other people and I guarantee there will be at least 10+ of them who aren't bitching about it.
There are bans for leaving PvP and there should definitely be bans for leaving Tiamat. I agree that a 24 hour ban would be more than fair for leaving and an idle timer of 60 seconds should be active whilst in the spawn chamber that resets ONLY on death and results in yo being removed and banned when it reaches 0.
Upping the rewards for failures, really? You fail, so you shouldn't get anything lol. In any case, the whole idea of punishing those of us who leave in impossible situations still makes no sense. Lets say they have a penalty for leaving, then we would just sit at the campfire. Lets say they have a penalty for not attacking anything for X amount of time, then we would run out hit one thing then run back. So in any case we just don't want to waste our time for a loss.
There is a penalty for leaving PVP early. Using your logic, everyone should be sitting at the campfire if their team is losing. While that does happen occasionally, it is rare. More often than not, teams fight hard until the bitter end. I've seen teams come back from a 500-10 deficit and win. The same might occur in Tiamat. Some of the people who currently quit in winnable situations would continue to fight and not just sit at the campfire, turning those close losses into wins.
Edit: Once again, I am not one who leaves at the beginning. I have only left when we do not get at least 2 heads first round. I know it is possible to beat even when red is not touched until round 2.
I have never encountered that low of DPS in my 100+ Tiamat fights. That must require a serious chunk of your team not playing the game at all. I am complaining about players quitting when the situation is winnable (black + green both get down to 25%, but red is only hurt a little or not at all) - their quitting is what causes the loss. So far I have never seen a fight where quitting was justified (with the exception of the two times I have seen the black head glitched), so penalizing it is an excellent idea.
It goes without saying that the black head glitch would/should be fixed with/before this penalty is implemented.
Oh, you have not run Tiamat with some of the people I have lol. I have literally only left early maybe 5 times, through 2 characters and countless Tiamat fights. People on here probably think, because of my posts, that I leave every other fight, which is not the case. Those 5 times have gone like this:
1.) Didn't START Black head until 10mins in. Got Black head 1st round, and 1/4 of Green. Yes that is, we downed 1/4 of green, not that there was 1/4 left.
2.) Black Head Glitch, cant do anything about that
3.) We seemed okay. Got black head done, then somehow we only got green to half health.
4.) Same as #1
5.) Fairly recent one here. We were golden, or so I thought. We got 1st round done with even getting red to 1/2 health. But then by the end of round two we literally only scratched White head. And since we only had 2mins left to protect clerics AND get Round three done (which included a fully healed white head)...I left.
So can you honestly tell me that each of those times I should have stayed?
So if u cant get the black dragon head down on the first run then u want everyone to stay? For what? I know ppl leave early when its still possible to win but sometimes its just possible. And u can tell pretty early on if it is. Not before the dragon heads of course. Doesnt mattet anyway. They already said they would not raise gs. So im pretty sure they wont punish anyone for leaving
Oh, you have not run Tiamat with some of the people I have lol. I have literally only left early maybe 5 times, through 2 characters and countless Tiamat fights. People on here probably think, because of my posts, that I leave every other fight, which is not the case. Those 5 times have gone like this:
1.) Didn't START Black head until 10mins in. Got Black head 1st round, and 1/4 of Green. Yes that is, we downed 1/4 of green, not that there was 1/4 left.
2.) Black Head Glitch, cant do anything about that
3.) We seemed okay. Got black head done, then somehow we only got green to half health.
4.) Same as #1
5.) Fairly recent one here. We were golden, or so I thought. We got 1st round done with even getting red to 1/2 health. But then by the end of round two we literally only scratched White head. And since we only had 2mins left to protect clerics AND get Round three done (which included a fully healed white head)...I left.
So can you honestly tell me that each of those times I should have stayed?
Of course not, but the point is that adding in a penalty for leaving will GREATLY increase the win %. So you wouldn't have been able to leave those 5 times you mentioned, but you would certainly win a LOT more of the matches that you've lost. That's a pretty good trade-off, in my opinion.
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I would say i will boot you out of the next dungeon I see you in, but my guild leader is telling everyone to stop boot n looting or they will personally get kicked out the guild by him, because someone was spamming our guild name in the enclave calling us boot n looters and he wants us to lose our bad "rep"
Sounds an awful lot like you are in the 'Well Endowed' guild. If so, that town crier; that was me. Based on your Guild Leader's reaction, it seems to have had the desired effect.
sponsame, are you the one; the one that laughed about boot n looting when you entered the party chat. When I challenged him on the act and mentality, it only further exposed a person rife with character flaws and weak moral aptitude. 'It's how you make money man' this person said. 'On the backs of others who worked just as hard as you?' I asked. His reply, 'everyone does it man.' No, everyone does not do that; only cowards do that as they fear a dice roll.
If that was you, sponsame, you deserve more vitriol than your anonymity here provides for.
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There are bans for leaving PvP and there should definitely be bans for leaving Tiamat. I agree that a 24 hour ban would be more than fair for leaving and an idle timer of 60 seconds should be active whilst in the spawn chamber that resets ONLY on death and results in yo being removed and banned when it reaches 0.
There is a penalty for leaving PVP early. Using your logic, everyone should be sitting at the campfire if their team is losing. While that does happen occasionally, it is rare. More often than not, teams fight hard until the bitter end. I've seen teams come back from a 500-10 deficit and win. The same might occur in Tiamat. Some of the people who currently quit in winnable situations would continue to fight and not just sit at the campfire, turning those close losses into wins.
I have never encountered that low of DPS in my 100+ Tiamat fights. That must require a serious chunk of your team not playing the game at all. I am complaining about players quitting when the situation is winnable (black + green both get down to 25%, but red is only hurt a little or not at all) - their quitting is what causes the loss. So far I have never seen a fight where quitting was justified (with the exception of the two times I have seen the black head glitched), so penalizing it is an excellent idea.
It goes without saying that the black head glitch would/should be fixed with/before this penalty is implemented.
1.) Didn't START Black head until 10mins in. Got Black head 1st round, and 1/4 of Green. Yes that is, we downed 1/4 of green, not that there was 1/4 left.
2.) Black Head Glitch, cant do anything about that
3.) We seemed okay. Got black head done, then somehow we only got green to half health.
4.) Same as #1
5.) Fairly recent one here. We were golden, or so I thought. We got 1st round done with even getting red to 1/2 health. But then by the end of round two we literally only scratched White head. And since we only had 2mins left to protect clerics AND get Round three done (which included a fully healed white head)...I left.
So can you honestly tell me that each of those times I should have stayed?
Of course not, but the point is that adding in a penalty for leaving will GREATLY increase the win %. So you wouldn't have been able to leave those 5 times you mentioned, but you would certainly win a LOT more of the matches that you've lost. That's a pretty good trade-off, in my opinion.
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Not even remotely close and logically fallacious.
Sounds an awful lot like you are in the 'Well Endowed' guild. If so, that town crier; that was me. Based on your Guild Leader's reaction, it seems to have had the desired effect.
sponsame, are you the one; the one that laughed about boot n looting when you entered the party chat. When I challenged him on the act and mentality, it only further exposed a person rife with character flaws and weak moral aptitude. 'It's how you make money man' this person said. 'On the backs of others who worked just as hard as you?' I asked. His reply, 'everyone does it man.' No, everyone does not do that; only cowards do that as they fear a dice roll.
If that was you, sponsame, you deserve more vitriol than your anonymity here provides for.
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