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perma stealth in PvP: counter?

onlymatonlymat Member Posts: 350 Arc User
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Is there something what could be done against perma stealth? I think there should be something to counter this. As a cleric or other there should be a power you can use to see all stealth people. So you can counter it.

I think: The way perma stealth is implemented is unfair. You can only stand there and wait until you are dead - you even can't do anything against it.

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  • hanoth2hanoth2 Member Posts: 66 Arc User

    Perma Stealth cant out dps a clerics heals (unless they suck) and AoE's or lucky hits knock off 15% of the TR's stealth bar on each hit.
    Also AoE CC's are the best as they effect TR's in perma stealth and can easily screw up our rotations.

    That ice floor CW Encounter and the HR roots work best.

    Or try a Lantern of Revelations.
  • trentbail21trentbail21 Member Posts: 433 Arc User
    For me perma stealths are kind of easy.. but im a GWF and I use COME AND GET IT and DARING SHOUT. It knocks them out of cloak and does like 10k damage =D
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  • nullvaluepointnullvaluepoint Member Posts: 88 Arc User
    SW has Infernal Spheres. I leveled it to 3 hoping it would do something. It doesn't. It triggers only when they're right on top of you and is to late by then. They remain stealthed and it does shoddy damage. Waste of an encounter slot.
  • sslumdogsslumdog Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    False. Find the millisecond window. Of all TRs, stealths are my favorite to fight because they do less nonsense damage. If you have a move that marks them in stealth (icy rays/beacon of light?) use it and hit with as many at wills or encounters to break stealth. Once stealth is broken Perma Rogues are squishy/easy to kill. If they are not perma stealth WAIT IT OUT, stand off node to see when they come at you/stand on node to see them coming. WAIT for stealth to go down to unleash the hate we all have for those OP <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>!!
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  • hanoth2hanoth2 Member Posts: 66 Arc User
    sslumdog wrote: »
    False. Find the millisecond window. Of all TRs, stealths are my favorite to fight because they do less nonsense damage. If you have a move that marks them in stealth (icy rays/beacon of light?) use it and hit with as many at wills or encounters to break stealth. Once stealth is broken Perma Rogues are squishy/easy to kill. If they are not perma stealth WAIT IT OUT, stand off node to see when they come at you/stand on node to see them coming. WAIT for stealth to go down to unleash the hate we all have for those OP <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>!!

    Wait till you fight me ;) I'm perma stealth but my 5k power and a perfect vorpal make the hits far more deadly.

    Your right though, most perma stealths hit like a bag of salad. They're good at holding points but it takes forever to kill anyone.
  • sslumdogsslumdog Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    hanoth2 wrote: »
    sslumdog wrote: »
    False. Find the millisecond window. Of all TRs, stealths are my favorite to fight because they do less nonsense damage. If you have a move that marks them in stealth (icy rays/beacon of light?) use it and hit with as many at wills or encounters to break stealth. Once stealth is broken Perma Rogues are squishy/easy to kill. If they are not perma stealth WAIT IT OUT, stand off node to see when they come at you/stand on node to see them coming. WAIT for stealth to go down to unleash the hate we all have for those OP <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>!!

    Wait till you fight me ;) I'm perma stealth but my 5k power and a perfect vorpal make the hits far more deadly.

    Your right though, most perma stealths hit like a bag of salad. They're good at holding points but it takes forever to kill anyone.

    most of them yes. and they hide more because they cant hurt you, the ones that bite in stealth aren't easy
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  • celicoscelicos Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    trappers and CW's can both take a proper dump on permastealths if they know what they're doing. In a 1v1 situation really it could go either way, depending on who makes a/more mistake(s). Permastealth can be dealt with in a quick fashion if you have two people that can double up on him for a couple seconds. You really need to predict where they're going to be, that's the key to beating rogues. I would advise playing one to learn more about the class so you can take advantage of their weaknesses. Countering a permastealth is all about making them turtle up off bases. Do this and they'll be way less of a threat.

    Easier said than done for sure... But ya, don't be discouraged. Just don't expect to win most 1v1's vs rogues, because I can't recall any mmo really where rogues didn't excel 1v1. If you're good and the right class though, you can definitely compete.
  • celicoscelicos Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    hanoth2 wrote: »
    Perma Stealth cant out dps a clerics heals (unless they suck) and AoE's or lucky hits knock off 15% of the TR's stealth bar on each hit.
    Also AoE CC's are the best as they effect TR's in perma stealth and can easily screw up our rotations.

    That ice floor CW Encounter and the HR roots work best.

    Or try a Lantern of Revelations.

    Don't even bother with ice floor <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>, its garbage. Just stick to high dps single target encounters that CONTROL. You need to blow him up outside of his ITC and stealth meter.
  • azuosed89azuosed89 Member Posts: 565 Arc User
    i find it pretty disgusting it takes more than one player to deal with a perma stealth build that can still destroy you on 1 x 1. Just in neverwinter you see Rogues playing assassins roles at the same time they can tank you for ages.
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  • cheesebeastycheesebeasty Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    i use Lantern of Revelations
  • agent00spliffagent00spliff Member Posts: 75 Arc User
    celicos wrote: »

    Don't even bother with ice floor <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>, its garbage. Just stick to high dps single target encounters that CONTROL. You need to blow him up outside of his ITC and stealth meter.

    Icy Terrain is only garbage if you're one of the useless MoF CWs. Between Icy Terrain and Storm Pillar (along with Oppressive Force once they finally fix it so it stops crashing games) you'll make a TR vacate a node very quickly.

    You'll never force any halfway decent TR out of stealth using the single target skills you're raving about
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  • celicoscelicos Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    You must not play good CW's bro. I've played it from both sides, against multiple people on the top 10 pages. As rogue and CW. They asked for advice.. I'm giving it from both sides. Any rogue stupid enough to stand in that... well deserve to die.
  • agent00spliffagent00spliff Member Posts: 75 Arc User
    Sounds to me like you don't understand how those powers work and think because you beat some terribad TRs who don't know how to maintain their stealth that your strategy is solid.
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  • celicoscelicos Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    You got me agent00spliff. I just play terrible TR's. The CW's I see running Icy Terrain usually get melted and my rogue ends at 100% hp. Trying to be helpful here buddy.
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