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Fix elven battle only if cc in pvp is reduced please
biibiisai
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I am an almost bis DC (everything bis except for a few R11 enchants) and have a t.elven. I fought against an about equally geared HR today. The fight is not fun at all, because:
(a) The HR's bugged roots ticked ~20 times, eating away more than half my hp. I got 117k hp with high defense, deflect, AC, and control resistance. This bug seems to only exist when the opponent uses elven. I tried negation and it is fine.
(b) The roots also interrupts your spells. During the ~30 seconds after the initial rooting, I did not get to use any spells. Yes, elven battle reduces your controlled time span, but just as you are about to finish the spell casting animation, a new tick starts working and cancels out whatever you managed to accomplish.
So this endless cc makes it meaningless to study builds, enchants, spells, and rotations. When you see a bis HR using roots, you might as well throw your hands in the air and pray.
I am not saying that ccs should not exist or that DCs should live forever, but when you stand there against an equally geared opponent and not being able to do anything until you die, you know something is wrong. If t.elven is to be fixed, please fix other cc problems like this, or classes like DC and SW without much control resistance would have a much worse time in pvp.
(a) The HR's bugged roots ticked ~20 times, eating away more than half my hp. I got 117k hp with high defense, deflect, AC, and control resistance. This bug seems to only exist when the opponent uses elven. I tried negation and it is fine.
(b) The roots also interrupts your spells. During the ~30 seconds after the initial rooting, I did not get to use any spells. Yes, elven battle reduces your controlled time span, but just as you are about to finish the spell casting animation, a new tick starts working and cancels out whatever you managed to accomplish.
So this endless cc makes it meaningless to study builds, enchants, spells, and rotations. When you see a bis HR using roots, you might as well throw your hands in the air and pray.
I am not saying that ccs should not exist or that DCs should live forever, but when you stand there against an equally geared opponent and not being able to do anything until you die, you know something is wrong. If t.elven is to be fixed, please fix other cc problems like this, or classes like DC and SW without much control resistance would have a much worse time in pvp.
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Except that's exactly what TEB does. It destroys CC down to non-existence, and it makes DCs live forever.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
If I understand you correctly, you want DCs to just stand there and die?
Also, if you read my post, I said elven battle does not do anything against roots. You still get controlled until you die.
If I've made my effort to come up with a build that targets your class-given weaknesses, as opposed to your class given strengths, then you are supposed to die, are you not?
Conversely, then, let me ask you, just what is it you expect to die from? You already know DCs or Palys are unkillable under normal circumstances when facing opponents of same skill level and gear. In most cases, CCs coming from a single opponent isn't even enough to take down a DC.
So you don't die from direct damage, since you mostly outheal and outshield incoming damage easily. Then why in the world do you expect to not die, when someone probes your only weakness?
That's because trappers are broken. They deal root effects which refresh/extend itself, as well as have dazes that penetrate even CC immunities, and are able to constantly cycle and apply new roots even if the old one expires quickly. But it so happens the facepalm level of boring and sickly, disgusting degeneration the DC and Palys have made mod6 PvP into, nobody really cares about the HRs anymore and many even thank them for being able to become something that can decisively help with killing your types.
But that's not even relevant. The point being, with the single exception of HRs, TEB simply ruins every class, every build, every tactic that relies on CCs to work. Are you saying because the DCs are annoyed with a single class, this enchantment must be left alone to break all of those other things??
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
I don't understand what's your QQ about. I'm not DC and using TEB but have the same problem or even worse, thorned roots tick until you die. It's clearly a bug and must be fixed ASAP. If you just wanna cry about OP classes do it elsewhere please.
If you have a trapper on the opposing team, just unequip elven battle. It will keep you alive few more seconds. The DOT will probably never get fixed. There's just too many more urgent bugs.
Long story short, before you go into pvp, make sure you have enough gold to unequip Elven Battle
You don't understand what the complaint is about, because you've never played a class dependent on CCs.
Try one. Highly recommended for people accustomed to "point - click - massive damage - win" mindset.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
well we too ,can say this to you,..."and i think you dont understand either, ...try one playing OP or DC"
get chain CC and cant do nooooothing....like biibiisay said....
change your so called anti-DC/OP build...make DPS TR build..its fun..wrecking HP's enemies you'll never get issued with elven battle armor....
im a TR my self,..MI/Exe..assassin 1 shot killer :P , i hate MI/sabo tho...Trololol
and i have DC and OP,...i love my OP wkakwkak....even low kill ratio
Again ....if you wanna cry about "disgusted OP like you said" pleaseee..do it elsewhere..
THIS THREAD need to be CLOSED also ..please Moderator....like the other elvenbattle thread...
Good Day...no offense
1. There is no chain-CC from a single class that can do any real damage to DC/OP except trapper HRs, and the chain-CCs coming from them can't be really prevented through TEB because it's not the duration that's causing it. It's the microdazes. This is a seperate issue that needs to be addressed with trappers, not addressed through giving a singular item which destroys everyone else's CC
2. Hence, most of chain-CCs are a result of you being overwhelmed by multiple enemies. What's supposed to happen when someone is attacked by multiple people, that actually have at least basic level of coordination to time CCs on you? DEATH, as with any class
3. If in case it is a chain CC coming from a build that has specifically took all its implications, good and bad, to act as a counter to your class, then you build up on your own CC resistance to counter it by taking CC-resistance stats and items that offer you minor bonuses and stack them. Yes, this may weaken you in some of the other aspects of your class, but then that's EXACTLY what the other guy has went through, and made sacrifices, to get at you. If you want to counter his counter build, then you build for it NOT BUY A SINGLE ENCHANTMENT OFF THE AH AND EXPECT IT TO FIX EVERYTHING FOR YOU WHILE NOT EVEN MAKING 1 POINT OF SACRIFICE/INVESTMENT TOWARDS WHAT YOU WANT.
...er.. thanks for the irrelevant gibberish. I guess.
Threads like these will stop when the game fixes a single enchantment that simply gets rid of an entire gameplay mechanic by itself. But then again, there will always be people who only want advantages for their class, and yet refuses any kind of balancing choice to be made.
They want to keep all their unkillability, bloated self-healing or buffing, or sometimes damage... and still want to not be effected by a mechanic that will aim for their largest weanesses. So, naturally, they buy one enchantment and then plug the mechanic up. Oh, so clever. That's just so full of skill and build/theorycrafting.
Let's ask for the developers to give the people an Enchantment of Truesight, so we all don't have to respec or rebuild any of our characters, we don't have to choose different skills, just run with EXACTLY what we have, and yet still be able to butcher any pesky TR player by simply seeing through stealth.
Yes, I'm sure every TR will enjoy how their entire defense mechanic dies out by an enchantment that grants stealth-sight.
Let's also ask for an Enchantment of Immunity Piercing, so we can equip this and simply pierce through Paly CC-immunities or GF shield or GWF Unstoppable. Instead of taking the measures to build your class to fight these guys, we can simply buy an enchantment that allows us to get through their pesky mechanics. Remember! This is skill-based PvP! That enchantment is going to let me simply pierce those shields or Unstoppable, and the CC them right away!
If any of the classes above "QQ" about it, we can tell them to go frag themselves. Right?
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
howmany ppl wearing PURE/T.elven battle ecnht? .....zzzzzz......not many...
do i wear it? nope LOL....why? why????
because its freaking expensive...
not because of a minority CC build ppl,...who cant beat BiS tank enchanted with Pu/T elvenbattle...
crying to nerf it...
some ppl you CANT beat....but most ppl not wear those encht you CAN beat.....
please..just relax...go on with pvping...have fun , Dev will look into this "IF"....if only..
but Dev please...think about who players farmed for months or buying zen..to get the Pu/T. enchantment...
as Mod said..this topic need to CLOSED....dev will look into it...
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