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grroupergrrouper Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 578 Arc User
edited June 2015 in PvP Discussion
Yep PVP is just even more ruined than before. Used to be a few pugs sitting at campfire to collect there dailly 4k in rough AD. Now it is so much worse.I just refuse to play anymore and sit back and watch me fall from the leaderboard went from page 21 to 42 in the last 3 weeks :( And the combat store (Neverwinter Wallmart) is the blame nobody should get rewards for lossing all that does it make more pugs that don't really care if they win or lose queue over and over. Just so mad at what the Devs did I have not seen 1 single thing that they have done right in mod 6 and it is a shame.....$@*&^%
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  • burkaancburkaanc Member Posts: 2,186 Arc User
    and i just got to page 5 since start of the event - its just that more ppl who didnt have a reason to pvp are starting to do it. queues are faster, more ppl, i love how they brought ppl into pvp, i hadnt pvpd since mod2. sometimes you do get trash on your team, but its same for the other team.

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  • silverkeltsilverkelt Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,235 Arc User
    What are you talking about.... This comes across as someone who is upset at loosing matches, thats it.

    How in the world do you see this as a bad thing.. the whole pvp dom needed a shot in the arm desperately and got one.

    You lost rankings because you lost matches.. Ive bounced all over the place, from 15 in my class to 50 , got back to 26 this morning.

    Dont lose matches! Yes you get screwed some matches, either through the boinked matching making system putting or some dude with 1500 alliance gear getting placed on your team ect ect... OR all of a sudden getting massive lag spikes that forces you to quit the match (happened twice yesterday! literally would rubberband all over the map .

    Things happen! keep playing.

    How are you upset that people are finally playing pvp again? I find it refreshing and it was a great ideal on their part.
  • quspivquspiv Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,087 Arc User
    yeah, your <2k PUG definitely stand a chance against 4k+ 5man premade. With such matchmaking pvp cannot be fun.
  • burkaancburkaanc Member Posts: 2,186 Arc User
    quspiv wrote: »
    yeah, your <2k PUG definitely stand a chance against 4k+ 5man premade. With such matchmaking pvp cannot be fun.

    you could always stfu and gtfo, when have you seen smth like that ? stop this bs, matchmaking has issues but thats like 1/10 games at most, in 50+ games ive had few games ruined by matchmaking or somebody disconnecting. more games are ruined by morons who dont have a clue about wtf they are doing
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  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    grrouper wrote: »
    Yep PVP is just even more ruined than before. Used to be a few pugs sitting at campfire to collect there dailly 4k in rough AD. Now it is so much worse.I just refuse to play anymore and sit back and watch me fall from the leaderboard went from page 21 to 42 in the last 3 weeks :( And the combat store (Neverwinter Wallmart) is the blame nobody should get rewards for lossing all that does it make more pugs that don't really care if they win or lose queue over and over. Just so mad at what the Devs did I have not seen 1 single thing that they have done right in mod 6 and it is a shame.....$@*&amp;^%

    who exactly cares about the leaderboard?
    the leaderboard does not show anything, and in case someone made it to the top , it only indicates one of these points:
    1. he is a leaver
    2. he runs as a weasel to avoid any confrontation or death and in case he gets killed too often first point gets into account
    3. he teams up with two other mates, all overgeard, to queu and slaughter some pugs
    4. he is a scilled player (happens)
  • rschragerrschrager Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 59 Arc User
    I'd love to see better balance, but given that it hasn't changed at all since I've been playing - for better or worse - I'm going to assume that they either have no idea how to fix it, or no plans to even try. As far as getting more people into PvP, yeah... I like that. It shouldn't be an exclusive 'members only' club... though I've certainly run into quite a few 'members' while PvP'ing o:)
  • ashnnwashnnw Member Posts: 45 Arc User
    Everyone knows they screwed this up, NCL should have been single que period, put everyone on equal terms in respect to what you have to work with, that is a much better show of your pvp skills then following a template with premades.

  • benskix2benskix2 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 674 Arc User
    Once you get up towards the top of the list you're pretty much screwed if you solo queue, because most of your matches will be against premades, which you will lose, and if you do get in a match against pugs they will all be lower ranking than you and you won't actually move up the leader board when you win, and you may even move down.
  • burkaancburkaanc Member Posts: 2,186 Arc User
    benskix2 wrote: »
    Once you get up towards the top of the list you're pretty much screwed if you solo queue, because most of your matches will be against premades, which you will lose, and if you do get in a match against pugs they will all be lower ranking than you and you won't actually move up the leader board when you win, and you may even move down.

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  • samothrace22samothrace22 Member Posts: 359 Arc User
    I agree with the general statement here in that this is a fun event and has been good for pvp in NW overall.. the majority of my matches have been good.... even when solo queuing. I agree with the idea of being rewarded for a loss as well, so at least when you try hard and lose after a 40+ min match you don't walk away empty handed
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  • silverkeltsilverkelt Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,235 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    I havent seen more premades.. I have however seen more top guild names besides my competition.. Which is at it should be, the more you win, the harder its supposed to get.

    I just dont understand the general complaint.

    You I believe are unhappy that people can gear up on random chests? or get some 35k r7s?

    So a scrub pve enters.. looses every match, will need at least in all likely-hood 15 chests to get 4 pieces of the gear, since they seem so effing boinked to pull one item for your class over and over.

    15 * 100 = 1500/6 = 250 matches losses to get gear.. lets call them 20 min matches = 5000 mins /60 = 83 hours of play time.

    meh..

    Sure they could get lucky and only need 4 chests.. but its unlikely. In all reality it will probably be around 40-50 hours of grind for a pure scrub pve player.

    If they decide to just continue to lose and get r7s for some AD.. 100 /6 = 16 loss matches at 20 mins apiece = 320 mins or 5 hours of playing for around 70k of AD.

    IN THAT 5 hours they couldve just farmed IWD and made more..

    For a typical 1700k scrub pve as you call them.. would benefit more from just doing something else.

    There has been many people who used to dom all the time that has come back (in mods 1-3 thats all i did.. thousands of matches) i took a break especially last mode to run tiamat a few hundred times instead to boon up and pre farm items.

    its fun to be back!

    im still not 100% sure what your unhappy about, im glad there is a reward again for playing something... they have taken the reward for playing out of the entire game virtually.

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  • quspivquspiv Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,087 Arc User
    There should be separate q for tournament q which require min. Tenacity to enter.
  • icyphishicyphish Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,255 Arc User
    I have been running in pugs 80% of the time during this event and out of approximately 70~80 matches I went through, I have only encountered about 3~4 full premade teams, other have also confirmed that they do not normally get matched up with full premades when solo queueing, the chance of meeting up one, in our experience is only about 5% of the time, which I think Cryptic is doing a great job on this one!

    Now, let's talk about the 20~30% of the time I did premades, I can confirm that when queueing with 3 or more people, the chance of meeting up with a premade team GREATLY INCREASES, in my experience when queueing with 3+ people in your party, the chance of meeting up with a premade becomes approximately 40%, in fact while doing premades, I have been matched up with 4 premade fights in a row!

    So from my experience and some other forum members' experience, this event is doing its matchmaking a lot better than what it used to be, 2k+team vs full 4k+team is only the minority, most of the solo queue games I have been in has been matched up pretty fairly (80~90% of the time), and I think we should all appreciate Crytpic's effort in improving this rather than just complain how this is not perfect, because if you want the match making system to match up based on ilvl, class and everything, then you probably have to wait half an hour before you get pop, and I highly doubt people will be too excited to participate in PvP if they have to wait for half an hour for each pop....

    PS: I was at page 80+ when I first started NCL, solo queued and pugged all the way to Page 5, and I can confirm that the chance to match up with geared players increases once you squeeze into top 10 pages, what does this mean? Average players that floats outside top 10 pages or so, should not get to meet up with full premades too often, the chance is pretty small from my experience :)
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  • pando83pando83 Member Posts: 2,564 Arc User
    I pretty much agree that going solo queue, the chance of meeting a premade are low unless you are in high ranking positions.
    But generally speaking, there are other issues too.
    Yesterday my pug got matched vs the following team:
    Paladin
    Paladin
    Tank DC
    Tank DC
    Sabo TR

    Needless to say how it ended up. It's very random. Balanced games are still quite rare. More often one side overpowers the other clearly.
    Going with a 2-men group lowers your chances to get <2k pugs.
    Being very geared increases your chances of victory too since sometimes you can take on 3 <2k pugs alone.

    If you just throw yourself into the russian roulette and don't care about leaderboard or armored mount reward, you can make some fast AD and gear up.

  • rversantrversant Member Posts: 896 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    NCL COMBAT LEAGUE IS AMAYZING.

    Probably one of the main reasons I started logging on every night again. I dont mind if I get trash on my team, I've been getting more and more balanced matches, and worst case if I have a few losses I just queue up with a few of the other players I've met if they're online. It's not hard too make some friends.... Even when you go up against the big guilds, most of them are polite and will allow you too point cap too get your minimum required for the reward. just treat people well and expect to be treated well in return.

    also.


    RAINBOW PARTY




    That being said. Sure, the rewards arent that great in some cases (rank 5's? wtf? I would of done rank 6/7/8 instead at those prices) and the jewelry is <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. but the fact is its breathed some life into the PvP scene and with the readily available pvp gear more PvE players are getting an understanding of PvP and how it works / whats required. sure. some people are hopeless cases, and will run out die 3 times then afk. but this has been happening less and less in my opinion. it happened before NCL. and will happen after, bad behavior players like that will always be badly behaved in both Pve and PvP (spamming need in a greed party, kickers, etc).



    Next event though. How about some other rewards like so;

    12 tokens = Random rank 6 Enchantment
    50 tokens = Random rank 7 Enchant
    100 tokens = Random rank 8 enchant

    100 Tokens = Combat league enchantment cache (Any 1 of the following , 1 rank 6 enchant , 1 rank 7 enchant, 1 rank 8 enchant, 1 Weapon / armor enchant with a low low chance)

    Things like Caches of Enchantment shards that have 1 random enchantment shard. can be 50 each.

    PvP Dyepacks (some PvP inspired colored dye) 25 each

    MOUNT TRAINING TOMES - 750/1500 tokens


    Theres so much potential with rewards that can be brought into the next event.



    People are way too negative, Why cant we just all get along.


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  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    i dont know man, i m having fun and balanced matches most of the times.
    its not really great for rewards but i will probably end up with a bulette and if they fix the online leaderboard a champion bulette too... which should be from 2M ads to 3M ads for both...
    nothing special but still good.
  • lirithiellirithiel Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    The only real issue I have with the NCL event is the rewards and more specifically the RNGesus of the Elemental Burning gear cache. I know many people will say "tough luck" but seriously? I've grind my <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>$ off to get 6 caches and every one of them have been the opposite gear piece that I wanted/needed. Do they really think people will just continue in the hope of eventually getting the right set? Screw it. I'm done with the caches, not wasting anymore currency on this terrible implementation of rewards. I'd rather buy the Pirate fashion set instead and be done with it. Why not give us a choice of what gear we want? Yeah sure the pve players will stop running dom once they get their set, but the rest of us will be free to get the Blood Ruby coffer or whatever else. Gating the gear behind RNG (as you always seem to do) is a terrible idea.
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  • burkaancburkaanc Member Posts: 2,186 Arc User
    ive gotten 3 of the same gauntlet in a row :D
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  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User
    You are all still free to upgrade your black ice profession farm 20k glory for each piece and 24 unified elements + 50k of refined black ice
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  • pando83pando83 Member Posts: 2,564 Arc User
    Bulette says BoP
  • quspivquspiv Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,087 Arc User
    Dont forget that time spend in the queue increases the chance for higher disparity between both teams.
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  • silverkeltsilverkelt Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,235 Arc User
    Every ASPECT of the game has bots in it.. they are not good, but if you just remove all rewards from every aspect of the effing game.. whats the point in playing and how do newer people even get anything?

    Ive yet to see bots in any of my matches , but Im sure there is some out there.. I cant imagine if you win a few dozen matches, you will see them again, thier elo rating must be at like 3 or something.. so its grouped with the worst groups, maybe.. maybe you might see one at the lowest times played, but I havent. Ive only had one REAL scrub in the last 20 or so.. (non pvp armour less then 2k gear and didnt have any clue whatsoever. )

    Instead of getting mad at players trying to play.. get mad at cryptic for not finding a reasonable way to make sure people are human before they enter the game.

  • drkbodhidrkbodhi Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,378 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Can you fix the drops from the Elemental Burning chest? 3 times I have chosen that option... and I have gotten then same thing each time... a helmet. If... I do continue to enter the NCL matches I will just be buying the Pirate gear to sell on the AH.

    It started out as a good thing, then the "Leaderboard" got messed up. I have said this before... explain to everyone how the ranking system works... and rank players who use premades separate from those who solo. Since both of them are completely different... you cannot say that for this reason... an apple will be lumped in with the oranges because they are both fruit. In my 80+ matches I have faced ONLY 5 premades.

    I have won and lost matches, more of the latter than the former due to the random nature of the queue. Yesterday was an exceptional day. My main goal for the day was to reach "500 kills/assists while 50% or lower" I had 3 colossal matches that I was on top with kills, assists and points. I had another match where someone decided to leave the match when we were winning by 450 points(yes he left and did not dc). We ended up losing that match by 2 points. My point is this... premades do not have to worry about that <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> and most solo PvPrs do not care if premades have to wait in longer queues. Just like most premades don't care about allowing their PuG opponent to score... despite clearly winning and dominating.

    Not that you give a spit about what we have to say, even if it is meant to help.
    grrouper wrote: »
    Oh so sad for you I had to work to get my elemental gear by black ice profession so that was just another cryptic slap in the face. Enjoy you Walmart combat store shopping i have no need for it

    It would take months to get BI shaping to the level needed... unless you have been playing this since inception.

    BTW... I have been in over 80 matches and I have not had a "camp fire girl" in any of the last 50, or so, matches.

    One problem I have is that Win or Lose I go down in rankings. Score a lot of points, kills and assists... I go down in the rankings. I started yesterday, a day with 60% wins, on page 'X' I ended the day on a page 30 pages closer to the last page. I have had days when I have won 85% of my matches, with a good number of kills, points and assists,while in PuGs... and I have gone down in the rankings.

    The Leaderboard needs to go... unless we rank it all on 'scores' at the end of the match.
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  • bwowmpbwowmp Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 81 Arc User
    I don't understand all the griping about the allocation of the Elemental Burning gear. Unless I am missing something, It is only marginally better (like a few points per stat) than the Burning set available for glory from the vendor in Trade of Blades. Doesn't it make more sense just to grind glory, buy the Burning set, and then use combat tokens for R7's, a Bulette or whatever?

    Please let me know what I am missing here.
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