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NCL Survival Guide: PvP for PvE players
zeusom
Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 810 Arc User
For Level 70 PvE crossover players in PvP because of NCL Event:
1. Get at least all blue gear with tenacity and Rank 5 enchants.
Queue for PvP with Green gear and Rank 4 and PvP players will be upset, you will get unhappy comments. You can probably get a set of blue gear and minimum enchants for a few 10k of AD at most, if not then better to go do some PvE until you earn the ADs than to queue with green gears and green enchants
2. Forget your PvE rotation
Reslot your tray thinking in terms of CC/control, burst damage, survival/party buffs.
3. Fight on Node
PvP is not about kills but capping and holding nodes. Ignore opponents and go straight for nodes. Spend as little time as possible fighting off of a pad.
4. Do not give up and camp
Even if your undergeared and die instantly, you can have big influence and tilt the match towards a win just by bringing a body to a node again and again. Even if you are dying in 2shots all the time, keep going to nodes, and/or try to hug a DC and stand in their shield.
5. You mad bro?
PvE involves very different builds/playstyle/gear than PvE. Of course PvE crossovers its going to seem impossible and unfair and you are going to suck and break like glass at first. Don't sweat it, this is normal. Time to start the learning and gearing up process, or go back to PvE
6. Tenacity- Get Full Elemental Gear
Tenacity is stronger and more important than ever before mod6. Full Elemental gear gives 40% damage resist, 60% ArP resist, 40% control resist, and 40% crit strike resist. Full Burning gear is practical bare minimal to even think about doing well in PvP level70. Take advantage of NCL preseason to farm tokens for your Elemental gear. Work towards glory and vendor seals to buy pieces too.
7. Refer to 3 and 4
8. Refer to 3 and 4
9. Refer to 3 and 4
10. Good luck, Have fun
Note. True, Rules 3 and 4 apply only as long as there is actually a chance in hell to win - with grossly imbalanced matches there is no sense in being killfarmed over and over just get your 600 points for tokens and its ok to camp them.
1. Get at least all blue gear with tenacity and Rank 5 enchants.
Queue for PvP with Green gear and Rank 4 and PvP players will be upset, you will get unhappy comments. You can probably get a set of blue gear and minimum enchants for a few 10k of AD at most, if not then better to go do some PvE until you earn the ADs than to queue with green gears and green enchants
2. Forget your PvE rotation
Reslot your tray thinking in terms of CC/control, burst damage, survival/party buffs.
3. Fight on Node
PvP is not about kills but capping and holding nodes. Ignore opponents and go straight for nodes. Spend as little time as possible fighting off of a pad.
4. Do not give up and camp
Even if your undergeared and die instantly, you can have big influence and tilt the match towards a win just by bringing a body to a node again and again. Even if you are dying in 2shots all the time, keep going to nodes, and/or try to hug a DC and stand in their shield.
5. You mad bro?
PvE involves very different builds/playstyle/gear than PvE. Of course PvE crossovers its going to seem impossible and unfair and you are going to suck and break like glass at first. Don't sweat it, this is normal. Time to start the learning and gearing up process, or go back to PvE
6. Tenacity- Get Full Elemental Gear
Tenacity is stronger and more important than ever before mod6. Full Elemental gear gives 40% damage resist, 60% ArP resist, 40% control resist, and 40% crit strike resist. Full Burning gear is practical bare minimal to even think about doing well in PvP level70. Take advantage of NCL preseason to farm tokens for your Elemental gear. Work towards glory and vendor seals to buy pieces too.
7. Refer to 3 and 4
8. Refer to 3 and 4
9. Refer to 3 and 4
10. Good luck, Have fun
Note. True, Rules 3 and 4 apply only as long as there is actually a chance in hell to win - with grossly imbalanced matches there is no sense in being killfarmed over and over just get your 600 points for tokens and its ok to camp them.
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The most important things: Never disobey the items 3 and 4. And be patient.
Developers seriously ****ed this event up to, I should not be able to get the same ****ing set two times in a row, aftter collecting 100 ****ing tokens. While I do think it will be worth it up until they bring out the new sets in mod 7 or 8 (Drow sets), this becomes very irritating when you have the big named PvP guilds already in "Elemental" burning sets sitting on nodes and camping people in the blue **** tenacity gear they sell on the AH.
I calculated today that the Blue tenacity gear off AH roughly equated to me having a 6% damage reduction against 99% of the PvPers I fought today (GWF hitting me for 28k instead of 29680 damage and Shadowy opportunity procs ticking for 10.5k instead of 11,130 per tick).
Very irritated
I'm also wondering, is this event to get people up into the PvP brackets with the top PvP guilds now?
-Kymos
Going by the calendar, the event is on for a month. if you couldn't get the same bit twice in a row then everyone and their mother would have the full set in a week. then all you'd have them too farm is a bit of jewelry (rings only really due to artifact sets) and a mount /outfit if you want it. I think its fine as it is other than the rank 5,6,7 enchants being overpriced (and truth be told it should be 6/7/8 if its going to be those prices. And the rare goods cache being kinda lame. considering its the BiS PVP gear. if you could get 800 tokens then get a full set of both it'd be pretty stupid. I for one am very happy that the developers decided to do something for PvP. and the recent changes show that they are looking at fixing the balance issues (next up, Piercing damage nerf pls)
also, What is your build like? I play GWF in 70 pvp and I go fine, I'm not some 4k+ Ilvl beast either. I agree that GF do insane damage, and I do think it's a bit too much considering their survivability on top of that, But its also SINGLE TARGET and burst damage, not sustained.
Drunken Goose of MidNight Express. - 3.3k Paladin , 3.6k GWF , 3.1k GF,
1000 tokens and 16% chance to get the,initially, most interesting item from this Event. Total and utter FAILURE. Its 1 of 2 Legion Rings...Legion of crapness. Kudos Cryptic...great idea and motivation.
I'll just get bullette or that fashion.
WTB Class Reroll please
11. At the beginning, dont go with more than 1 player to home node.
12. Cap red nodes and dont leech points running to an uncontested node turning blue.
3 a) If the node is blue, try to engage the enemy BEFORE he steps on the node.
13. Get out of red areas, if contesting look for a good place ON the node (seriously, this should be a no brainer, but some ppl seem to be that stupid).
14. If fighting a GF with more than one players, dont follow him, but split up, so at last one of you cant be blocked.
15. Keep your distance to OP (if possible). He CCs you with his aura and kills you with reflect dmg and avalanche, if you fight toe to toe.
16. If the other points are not blue, dont try to kill a immortal DC/ OP with 3-4 ppl, while the other team kills your mates 4v1. Get ONE player to contest and maybe push him from the node.
17. If the other team has a faithful DC, split up. I allways wonder, if ppl are to stupid, to see, that the only ones losing HP are their team.
18. If you dont have a clue, dont try to give commands to your team. You might be a beast in PvE, carrying a group of newbies, but if you dont know **** about PvP, shut up. I have read commands like 'all to homenode' or, fighting OP and faithful DC, ' all to mid'.
regarding 4. I dont agree with 'dont give up'. If you are seriously outgeared/ outmatched, type 'GG' and stop fighting. Decent teams stop attacking and let you cap, to get your rewards. There is no 'honour' in getting your *** kicked 4v1 with a KD ratio of 0/30. Fighting premade/ semipremade against similar teams, the actual fights last either 5-10 min or 45+. Why? In a balanced fight all nodes are contested, most of the time, resulting in a long match. If one team obviously outgeares the other and you cant win without one or two disconnects in the other team, you admit your defeat and move on.
and if the said DC/OP is in your team - leave him alone on enemy node(or whatever node) and get the other 2 nodes - was that paladin, lost because ppl were coming to my, enemy side node while enemy got other 2
Yep. I lost one last night where teammates kept coming to try to kill the enemy paladin that I was babysitting with my paladin. Essentially when theres 2 tank pallies in a match its a 4v4 with 2 nodes.
Drunken Goose of MidNight Express. - 3.3k Paladin , 3.6k GWF , 3.1k GF,
excellent!!!
All of us have experienced this exact problem. As my ex-wife used to say... "everyone's docs are new at some time."
NOT one of the PvP players who may now stand on the node you are afraid to cap... has been in your shoes for some time. If they say that they never had that issue... they are lying.
...unless they are premade from 3 guilds, namely Absolute, Midnight Express and Purple dragons, all in one team. Displayed zero class and regardless even without attacking them kept killing a full pug team. Goes to show how some of their members are pure garbage. I'm not saying all but some.
i mean i have had 90% looses and only the 10% that are wins outa all the pvp matches i went to..and i have not camped in even 1 yet...but today was just horrendous...11 matches and all 11 i kept getting a full squishy team (with 2 HRs/TRs and 2 CW, includes my char, and 1 DC/SW...and variations with only those classes)...not even 1 single match outa the 11 did i get a GWF or palladin...i was like whats the point and rage quit...i wanna go back but it will be like..."even less time now then in the morning!!...ugh!! ima not bother with this event at all i guess" (and that saddens me)....wonder y wouldnt the dev have a logical ****ING BRAIN at all and think of this MF scenario by them-F-ing-Selves and then put up a target/event!!??...they been at such pvp specific audience favors for faaar tooo long...make me wanna pee on em.. (but i do know this is just a game so i keep as calm as possible by only being angry and exiting or not doing the event at all while being in the game)
ugh!!
sorry if the language hurts anyone (especially the devs, mods...) please censor the language if u require too--which would be a no brainer--after all devs wouldnt wanna hear how they could impress more than just the pvp-ers (which is 10% of the game or it wouldnt have 90% of it as campaigns/pves) and improve on their mods long troubles right!?...
but truly it felt heavenly writing all this to get it outa my system/stomach...
I had similar expiriences, but most players stop attacking after a 'GG'.
Maybe they should not have banned a certain player, who was a pillar of the PvP community and kicked his guildmembers for misbehaviour. When those 'rules' where enforced, the community was more decent.
Since we dont have brackets that would separete 5k BIS from 1k newbes it's best you can do.
Not best but most effective farming tokens. I talked to a PvE player, while we did the event. While I won 2 matches in 1 1/2 hours, he lost constantly. Resulting in a reward ratio of 24 tokens to ca. 60.
If there are no rewards for your rank in preseason, PvP players who aim for a win are screwed.