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Is trans terror still bugged?

martanis117martanis117 Member Posts: 64 Arc User
edited June 2015 in General Discussion (PC)
Just wondering. Was getting one shotted by the first boss in eLoL. Wanted to dbl check if it was so i can get rid of it if it is
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  • neirgaraneirgara Member Posts: 334 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Where is the connection to Terror Enchantment?

    Veshal (first boss eLoL) has a spear-throw attack, that is quite strong. So strong, that it can deal around 100-150k damage, even more when it crits. I have encountered these amounts of samage with different chars that have different enchantments. So I don't think, that it was the fault of any bugged item.

    Best way is to let a GF mark him and face the attack with his shield up. Or have a DC/OP protect the party with heavy DR buffs.

    Good luck next time. :)
  • martanis117martanis117 Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Thank you for the fast response. I wasnt aware he hit so hard lol
  • martanis117martanis117 Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Actually now that i think about it...shouldnt he have been hitting for less since trans terror reduces his power by 40%? I didnt notice that i was hitting any harder since it reduces his defense by 40% as well.
  • jonkocajonkoca Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,586 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Yea, ditto. I'd welcome someone confirming if my trans terror actually does what it says on the tooltip.
    No idea what my toon is now.
  • suicidalgodotsuicidalgodot Member Posts: 2,465 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Re. the OP situation: I recommend Fox's Cunning.
  • martanis117martanis117 Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    suicidalgodot wrote: »
    Re. the OP situation: I recommend Fox's Cunning.

    Not all of us run with rangers.
  • kacsaneverkacsanever Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 167 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    martanis117 wrote: »
    Actually now that i think about it...shouldnt he have been hitting for less since trans terror reduces his power by 40%? I didnt notice that i was hitting any harder since it reduces his defense by 40% as well.

    I cant answer your question since I dont have T-terror. You can try it on PTS - where it doesnt matter how many times you die :) On the other hand LoL first boss hard debuffed (i.e. 50% by BtS) can still one shot anyone w/ his ranged Spear attack- even GF w/o block up or OP w/o shield up if the attack critted. Any other classes are dead most of the time. That's why this boss cant really be tanked by ranged classes and why I always ask the tank to facetank it.
  • nallifnallif Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Yes trans terror enchant is still bugged.

    My test method on TR:
    1. Equip Greater Red Dragon Glyph is overload slots.
    2. Remove weapon enchantment from main-hand weapon.
    3. Attack target dummy.
    4. Damage is 630 (600). A feat adds 5% damage. Probably a bug that it applies to the glyph.
    5. Equip Transcendent Terror enchantment.
    6. Attack target dummy.
    7. Damage is 606 (600).
  • martanis117martanis117 Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Kinda wish they would have fixed it with last patch. Would have been BIS with fury warlocks lol
  • jondbxjondbx Member Posts: 179 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    martanis117 wrote: »
    Kinda wish they would have fixed it with last patch. Would have been BIS with fury warlocks lol

    They can't. They are too busy nerfing to improve the damage of anything.
  • jondbxjondbx Member Posts: 179 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    nallif wrote: »
    Yes trans terror enchant is still bugged.

    My test method on TR:
    1. Equip Greater Red Dragon Glyph is overload slots.
    2. Remove weapon enchantment from main-hand weapon.
    3. Attack target dummy.
    4. Damage is 630 (600). A feat adds 5% damage. Probably a bug that it applies to the glyph.
    5. Equip Transcendent Terror enchantment.
    6. Attack target dummy.
    7. Damage is 606 (600).

    Do you know if a perfect terror works properly? What about Trans Vorp or Perfect Vorp?
  • martanis117martanis117 Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    I hear trans vorpal has reversed effects. Makes the mob have 2% dr
  • nallifnallif Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    jondbx wrote: »
    Do you know if a perfect terror works properly? What about Trans Vorp or Perfect Vorp?

    I haven't tested it, but I believe the perfects still work properly.
  • wentriswentris Member Posts: 542 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    martanis117 wrote: »
    Just wondering. Was getting one shotted by the first boss in eLoL. Wanted to dbl check if it was so i can get rid of it if it is

    Its best to provide logs of the 1 shot. ATC screenshots are even better solution, but since its just 1 hit simple copy paste would be enough. Your class stats and buffs used during being 1 shot would be helpful as well
  • jondbxjondbx Member Posts: 179 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Anyone know if the pures are bugged too or is it just the transcendent?
  • quspivquspiv Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,087 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    jondbx wrote: »
    Anyone know if the pures are bugged too or is it just the transcendent?

    Probably bugged. Perfect ones should be fine though as these are old ones and didnt had any changes.
  • kvetkvet Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,700 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    nallif wrote: »
    Yes trans terror enchant is still bugged.

    My test method on TR:
    1. Equip Greater Red Dragon Glyph is overload slots.
    2. Remove weapon enchantment from main-hand weapon.
    3. Attack target dummy.
    4. Damage is 630 (600). A feat adds 5% damage. Probably a bug that it applies to the glyph.
    5. Equip Transcendent Terror enchantment.
    6. Attack target dummy.
    7. Damage is 606 (600).

    Did they add defense to target dummies? When did that happen? Last I heard (albiet a long time ago), target dummies had no defense so you couldn't really use them for proper testing since arpen of any kind and any defense debuff wouldn't register since they have 0 mitigation already. I'd be interested to know if that's changed.

    A better method would be to use ACT and run a simple foundry several times in a row rather than using a target dummy. Use the same foundry so you have the same mobs as a comparison. Probably better would be to create a foundry with a single "hard" mob, or a series of them, so you can get more isolated data.

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  • blag001blag001 Member Posts: 202 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    So...
    Looks like all Enhancements are bugged, there's complanings about them all around the forum. But I believe that something I saw in one post (dont remember which one) makes some sense to explain all those bugs... the person says that it must be a bug in some combat formula and it's affecting all the Enhancements.
    I have a Greater Vorpal and sometimes I really feel that its not working.
    We just need a feedback from the devs on it. :/
  • kvetkvet Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,700 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    So, here's are a couple of parses that might shed some light on this:

    With Terror:
    Attachment not found.
    Closer look: http://screencast.com/t/3VWbazPTl

    Without Terror:
    Attachment not found.

    Closer look: http://screencast.com/t/3McxU49AUZ

    (sorry, the attachment system does evil things with the image size)

    What these data show is that, without the Trans terror enchant installed on my weapon, my damage and base damage were identical. That means, NO reduction in the Ogres mitigation (defense).

    However, with the Trans Terror installed, My base damage was actually MORE than my Damage value, meaning the Ogre actually has MORE mitigation when I hit him with my terror enchantment than I did without it.


    From the combat log in-game:
    WITH:
    [Combat (Self)] Your Magic Missile deals 1965 (2020) Arcane Damage to Savage.

    WITHOUT:
    [Combat (Self)] Your Magic Missile deals 1844 Arcane Damage to Savage.

    So, to answer your question. YES. Transcendent Terror is still bugged.


    EDIT: I'm going to be positive and decide to believe the parse screenshots I had attached earlier were deleted though some fluke rather than by any intentional action (given than the links to my screencast shots were not removed)... I've re-added them - if I shouldn't have, please PM me.

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  • kieranmtornkieranmtorn Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 382 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    kvet wrote: »
    Did they add defense to target dummies? When did that happen? Last I heard (albiet a long time ago), target dummies had no defense so you couldn't really use them for proper testing since arpen of any kind and any defense debuff wouldn't register since they have 0 mitigation already. I'd be interested to know if that's changed.

    A better method would be to use ACT and run a simple foundry several times in a row rather than using a target dummy. Use the same foundry so you have the same mobs as a comparison. Probably better would be to create a foundry with a single "hard" mob, or a series of them, so you can get more isolated data.


    Defense mitigation works on the target dummies (ie NOT ARP). Try a plague fire & the target dummies, you will see your damage increased by correct amount. So my GWF normally gets numbers like 112-116% for Sure Strike using a Perfect Plague Fire (aka the old GPF).
  • kvetkvet Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,700 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Ok - well, nevertheless, the parses I posted above show the Trans Terror is still bugged and does add mitigation to the mob rather than removes it. I didn't actually analyze the ogres damage outputs, that would be interesting to see too I guess.

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  • jondbxjondbx Member Posts: 179 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    I suppose these things are beyond the capabilities of the developers. Someone needs to show them how to set up ACT and test this out. Or perhaps they just don't care......
  • kieranmtornkieranmtorn Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 382 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    jondbx wrote: »
    I suppose these things are beyond the capabilities of the developers. Someone needs to show them how to set up ACT and test this out. Or perhaps they just don't care......

    Most likely, don't have time. :(
  • ironzerg79ironzerg79 Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,942 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Perfect Terror is bugged as well. It's seems to be increasing the mobs damage resistance instead of reducing it.
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  • grabmooregrabmoore Member Posts: 188 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    ironzerg79 wrote: »
    Perfect Terror is bugged as well. It's seems to be increasing the mobs damage resistance instead of reducing it.

    Can confirm this. Perfect PF is fine. That's why my fully upgraded Perfect Terror lies in my bank waiting for mod 10.
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  • retrogeneretrogene Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    I tried Pure terror a few days back, damage is lower on the dummy compared to without any enchantment at all
  • suicidalgodotsuicidalgodot Member Posts: 2,465 Arc User
    I did a comparative ACT-analysed double run in Witch's Fen (You know, like "Real" Monsters with "Real" Defense...) the other day last week:

    Damage with Pure Terror: Effectiveness ca. 98% slightly varied between skills.
    Damage with Greater Lifedrinker: Effectiveness splat bang 105% over all skills.

    That was with almost 40% ResIgn from ArPen. I'll do some more experimentation there when I'm feeling like it, but for now I think the verdict is clear: Bugged.

    Questions?
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