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control wizards need nerf overpowred stuns
respectpays
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they have 3 stun abilities compared to every other class in the game the main one is the ice floor thing remove the lift stun from it and make it a slow enemy spell so its balanced with rest of classes.
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You're thinking of Entangling Force. They're two separate abilities.
Clearly you have some more learning to do. CWs aren't OP.
Gamertag: ReallyRecon
it still has the ability to stun u either way they have 2 many stun abilities I have a 19k gear score there is zer0 reason for them to be able to throw me around at a 10k gs
They are still not OP because they stun you.... What next? My Warlock's Harrowstorm Prone is OP because I've grounded you?
Or, the Cleric is OP because they're healing?
No disrespect, but CONTROL Wizards are meant to CONTROL.... Take that away from them, and they're what? Another Cannon Fodder?
Let me guess, you're a TR?!?
BamBam - Lvl 30 GWF
Trevok - Lvl 30 GF
Wil - Lvl 25 TR (PvP)
BamBam - Lvl 30 GWF
Trevok - Lvl 30 GF
Wil - Lvl 25 TR (PvP)
If you're gonna say a class is op Atleast do some actual research on said class. Your posts clearly indicate you know very little about the Control Wizard class.
joke, but yeah, cws, everyone are ok brother.... there are other broken things in the game that need to be fixed, not cw.
DENIAL
Control Wizard is class who has got less control than other classes for example: HR,DC,GF, and this is really funny.
Look, Here's what is worthy "control" of CW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRHfuOQMsNU&spfreload=10
Just because its a CC encounter, doesn't mean it cant be deflected, thus reducing the actual time the CC lasts.
Posting that video only proves this game is working correctly.
Deflecting a CC encounter is no different then deflecting any other encounter.
On your Signature. So I watched the videos and I don't see the point of you adding them to your Signature. You show a TR using a "known" SoD Glitch. We all know its broken, and needs to be fixed. I don't see your point?
You also show a GWF getting crapped on by a TR. I'm assuming you see that as TR being OP? Wanna know what I see? I see a GWF blowing all of his encounters on the TR while he is in ITC. I see the GWF using a terrible Daily in a 1 vs 1 fight against a very fast moving class. I see the GWF face tanking Duelist Flurry. I see the GWF pretty much standing still while the TR out plays the hell out of him. But but, Alysin Chains, that GWF has a 21k gear score and 50% DR and 40% deflect how come the TR beats him so fast? Well...because he is standing still. If you'll notice the hardest "single" hit that GWF takes from a BiS TR was 2600 damage. I'd say that's **** good and working as intended. The TR attacks very quickly, and the GWF is taking every hit because hes standing still like a baddie thinking because he has awesome gear, he can just face tank everything.
Posting these videos only says to me you do not understand how Stats and encounters work.
In module 5 on PC, GWFs were 1 shotted by TRs with 5/6/7k less GS through a long time, i can see mvies from Xbox and this is exactly the same. Now TRs can smash them in few second like most of other classes, i am not going to argue with you here: is TR OP, this isn't thred for this. I am here becouse someone said that the CW control should be nerfed becouse it last too long, and i say: No, the ability of ControlWizards to control other classes are in fact a little becouse of many reasons like: Deflection, cc breakers like ITC or unstopable, natural CC immunity like shields of OP and GF, etc. Besides, many of classes has better ways to control other classes than control wizard like HR perma daze, DC perma stun or GF combo
Oh Really?;p weak attempt, shoot further
I would love to see a video of a GWF getting one shot by someone with a 7k lower GS.(not using the SoD glitch)
The Shadow of Demise glitch is what's nasty for GWF's, as they have no way to dodge the actual SoD proc. Its total HAMSTER and everyone knows it. Its not working as intended and eventually will get fixed.
You see GWF's on Xbox getting smashed by baddies using the SoD glitch, not because the class is over powered.
I can name one single GWF in Xbox that plays his class well, and I play PvP 100% of my time in game. Meaning I have run into hundreds of GWF's. They all do the same thing, and have the same mentality. Stand still, smash buttons.
99.9% of GWF's I fight against, I don't even waste encounters on them. I let them walk into my Duelist Flurry > Dodge Away, Start DF and let them walk into it again. Rinse and repeat 10 seconds later there dead.
Point being the skilled GWF's who build properly, spec properly, and play properly, are pretty much non-existent on Xbox. The only thing that kills them fast is a glitched mechanic.
Again. We all know how dumb the SoD glitch is. The Devs know about it, the community knows about it, lets stop basing an entire class, because of one bugged mechanic.
Tell me one thing. Is it Fair that the Heavy armored GWFs with sword the sword that weighs at least one tonne is loosing with guy who is only waving daggers him before his face (i mean duelist flurry) ? d(^.^)b... ok enough jokes for now, like i said before, i am not going arguee with you in here :P
I don't blame most of the GWF, they are severely handicapped in pvp imo. You have to be geared to the teeth to survive and be a mediocre success. I'll swing one at will, pop one encounter, and every class, within 1 second seems to be lightyears away laughing at me with their ranged attacks. And coming from my HR main POV, they are by far the easiest class to kill in pvp.
Again, you prove to me your understanding in PvP is very small.
Calling me a DB is certainly unwarranted. And laughing at Duelist Flurry makes me laugh at you
I may agree regarding the video, but the truth is: moving around with a GWF fighting a good rogue, does not matter the rogue is just delaying the death for a few seconds (good in the hope to hold the node a little longer), but there is zero of what a GWF can do now against a TR. Don't get me wrong, I even think it is cool have a class chain and gwf be food of TRs, but the problem is not that, is how fast is that. If DPS build, just dies faster. If tank build, sacrifice some DPS, and some of these TRs "tank better than a gwf and the tank gwf still dies fast because probably all of the TRs builds now have at least one feat that has armor pen included aka ignore unsoppeble and make the high gwf dr doesnt exist.
Dont forget our only viable CC now is frontline surge, which got the damage reduced and is a 17~18 cooldown skill, come and get is cool, but by the time we will use the next encounter the tr is already free and dodging. Takedown is low dmg and now it has stun, and shorter cc duration, so a TR with just a few tenacity will just break free from it. It is a very challenge fighting, but even a survival build of TRs, using sod glitch or not will eventually break the GWF.
The problem is that GWF is a tank/semi-tank class. They nerfed the cc and gap close skills of GWF way too much to try to overcome the TRs survival skills when they already have ItC and a high deflection severity even out of itc.
Furthermore, as I said earlier, a GWF is a tank class. It has a defense almost as good as GF, and a similar DR (I got 48% DR, plus the pvp resistance and 45k hp) and some trs still melt. I also have unstoppable that is supposed to give me 40~80% DR for its duration. But, everything I mentioned above is useless against the trs builds nowadays.
Shadow of Demise has 100% armor pen and melt me (even moving or running away, GWF is easy to do damage, and I am not leaving the node and go to another point half a mile away just to avoid the damage and give off points for free, that would be as bad as dying). Also, I cant even time the Unstoppable before the dot thicks because the dot ignores my unstoppable DR. If it was only SoD, but even a pc build some trs have been using nowadays sabo, their skill have also armor pen and kill me just as fast. I fought a TR other day, he has 40k hp, 1.4k+ regen, high deflection, and he can just tank me standing still while he throw his skill at me and eventually kill me because of all these armor pen encounters that make the point of having a fighter classes with high dr questionable.
having these features to increase armor pen make the class op i believe, since they can even stack power on offense slots or recovery for less cooldowns without having to worry about stacking darks to fight fighters/dc.
Perhaps if they removed these features of breaking DR of the class it would be more fair, after all, for me. what is the point of building a fighter class with a high dr, a tab skill that gives me dr, if all that simply doesnt exist for TRs?
Perhaps that explains why in Mod 6 they made tenacity give armor pen resistance...
but it would surely be nice if they did something about it before that.
DENIAL
I believe GWF is doing a great job on pvp. We make the lives of HRs a hell for sure (the gwfs using proper build and gear). It is balanced against all other classes, with equal chances of kill or be killed (dont try to kill a good DC, you wont). but when it comes to TRs, a good tr, using SoD or not, it not much what to do. the class is broken in which it has too many features that give armor pen to its feats, making them be able to stack power on offense slots for even more damage. This makes the point of having high dr and unstoppable useless. I think this is what is breaking the balance for TRs, is the fact that they destroy fighters because they already have a high damage and armor pen features, and the fact that they can also kill the other squishier classes for obvious reasons
DENIAL
I definitely agree with you, but in a different way.
I don't think TR's need changing, I think they should bring back the way GWF's used to be. For the life of me I cant understand why they ever messed with them.
I cant remember which Mod this was but this is me playing my GWF when I personally feel they were perfectly balanced.
https://youtu.be/LU8Eow55nYo
Biggest problem I guess I've seen was people crying that GWF's were OP during this time. Which they weren't, just bad players crying about losing to skilled players.
If they listened to us years ago when we asked for Diminishing Returns on CC, none of these HAMSTER changes would have ever happened. Instead they nerfed CC encounters into the ground, now making some class vs class(gwf vs tr for example)near impossible match ups because of the things you said.
The Devs in NW have never been savvy when it comes to PvP, you and I both know that. Its nice they listen to the player base, but they listened to the wrong people unfortunately.
Having ArP resistance with Tenacity is going to be awesome. I didn't know they made that change.
oh yeah, i would love they brought them back like that. I think there are multiple ways to fix thing, and as a class that been nerfed, I would really feel bad for trs players if they did that like what they did to GWFs. so you are right, perhaps it is not about nerfing, but giving the other classes more tools.
Yes, they did. I heard the new pvp set tenacity gives up to 80% armor pen resistance. Now more than ever it is useless to stack darks on offense slots. but darks will still be viable for defense slots for life steal (the most important defense stats on mod 6) because they also reworked it and regen.
DENIAL
I'm a ****, but I don't see the common sense in the need for the GWF to kite a rogue. It should be the other way around? Granted I'm old and a former WoW player so I view this in the light of plate warrior vs. leather rogue and the rogue's only hope was to dodge tank in a toe to toe fight IIRC.
Edit: That was supposed to be a term used to describe a player new to this game.
-ASYLUM-
Its not that you "can't". Its just there are certain encounters and at-wills you want to avoid, even as a tank. Duelist Flurry being probably the number 1 to avoid.
1) Great damage per swing. (There are 2 swings, then a flurry)
2)During the Flurry part of the at-will, the TR cannot be CC'd.(its not in the tool-tip its just always been like that)
3) The flurry part of the at-will has a "chance" to stack bleeds. These bleeds stack up to a maximum of 10.
4)TR's in Stealth have 100% Crit chance. A smart TR will use his Stealth right as the Flurry begins, and all hits, as well as the bleeds will ALL crit. Granted resistances and such of course applies so the crits may be small, that is not always the case. I frequently have 5k Crit bleeds on enemys. The dmg is insane if you allow a TR to stack these on you.
Only a silly person will stand still allowing the TR to stack bleeds on them.
After reading this post, i know you are bad player, you shouldn't posted anymore
I am a very bad player. I try real hard though!
I'll make sure I contact you from hear on out before I "posted" anything 😄
You are playing as a TR in Elemental Evil- TR is Op as hell nowadays- you are saying : no TR is not OP
You show us your movie from Shadovmantle module- where GWF was a king of pvp, he could tank whole team and he was unkillable + he can smash easy every other classes and you said: "it was near perfectly balanced for me".
Please stop, because now you are not even funny you are ridiculous.