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Maybe we should have pvp advocates (like class advocates).
overdriver13
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I am thinking this would not be such a bad idea.
1. The players of Neverwinter are passionate about pvp, love it or hate it, there is huge interest in it, the pvp forum is thriving, and pvp is a constant subject of discussion in in-game chat.
2. Cryptic is obviously taking a big interest in pvp.
I can think of no better time than now to have a small group of pvp players be advocates for this phase of the game. I say a small group rather than one because there are a bunch of interests to be represented and it would be too easy for one player alone to fall victim to either an accusation or the reality of, conflicting interests. So a pvp quarum rather than a single pvp advocate.
Three. One leader of a well known guild, one well known purely pug player, and one that is neither well known pvp guilder or pug player. The first would represent the various pvp guilds through communication with guild leaders, the second would represent solo players, and the third would be a neutral advocate of pvp in general.
The only way it would work though, is if the community its self voted candidates into place from which cryptic/pwe could choose. Likewise, the community would have to be able to have some effect on the removal a poor member of the quarum.
Something like this would help the devs by streamlining specific areas of focus for them. As of now they have to read through hundreds of pages of forum qq and flames and try to pick out what looks to them to be areas they need to focus on.
Yes? No? Comment and discus pls
1. The players of Neverwinter are passionate about pvp, love it or hate it, there is huge interest in it, the pvp forum is thriving, and pvp is a constant subject of discussion in in-game chat.
2. Cryptic is obviously taking a big interest in pvp.
I can think of no better time than now to have a small group of pvp players be advocates for this phase of the game. I say a small group rather than one because there are a bunch of interests to be represented and it would be too easy for one player alone to fall victim to either an accusation or the reality of, conflicting interests. So a pvp quarum rather than a single pvp advocate.
Three. One leader of a well known guild, one well known purely pug player, and one that is neither well known pvp guilder or pug player. The first would represent the various pvp guilds through communication with guild leaders, the second would represent solo players, and the third would be a neutral advocate of pvp in general.
The only way it would work though, is if the community its self voted candidates into place from which cryptic/pwe could choose. Likewise, the community would have to be able to have some effect on the removal a poor member of the quarum.
Something like this would help the devs by streamlining specific areas of focus for them. As of now they have to read through hundreds of pages of forum qq and flames and try to pick out what looks to them to be areas they need to focus on.
Yes? No? Comment and discus pls
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Just because YOU think that your arguments are good doesnt mean that Devs will agree.
Class advocates were a mistake to begin with.
Go Cryptic!
PS - I quit.
That is why it would be more than one person.
WTB Class Reroll please
That way, we will have a balanced and exploit-free PVP, trust me.
....... ba dum tiss??!??!
aw **** I'm a potato again.
Class-specific, PvP, PvE, Guilds, Economy... all would be good candidates for this sort of thing. I think Cryptic might be very surprised at what their customers actually want out of Neverwinter, and what we'd be willing to pay and/or accept. It seems clear (to me anyway) that the "listening" cryptic is doing is either A) only on these forums, which - no offense to anyway - is NOT a good source of truth vis a vis the opinions of most players or
I think they have more expertise in game development than we do - but that doesn't really mean we are totally off our rockers and have no credibility whatsoever when it comes to speaking on the future and present state of the game.
They're doing a much better job communicating things out than they were before, I have to give that to them, but I still don't feel Cryptic is interested in hearing what we have to say in any real since. Yes, they see our bug reports, but mostly they just see rants, which is the wrong message. Unfortunately, they seem very resistant to having any sort of deep conversation about the state of things (and YES, there are those of us capable of doing such things, even if the vast majority of forum postings are the exact opposite).
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ov.. with all due respect, I'm not sure if you have any idea how stupid, idiotic and insanely jealous and volatile the "PvP vets" become when an issue like this is involved. Surely, you do remember that the one who must not be named actually tried to bribe and cheat his way into becoming a certain class advocate and rig votes, don't you?
Some of the best PvP players, who sway opinions of large groups of 'factions' scattered along the PvP scene, also happen to be the some of the largest egomaniacs you'll ever get to meet in your life time. If this happens, I'm foreseeing a gigantic, ugly shi*storm happening with every "big name" of PvP turning up in mud slinging, feuding, and destructive infighting because they will never accept someone else has assumed a "representative status" over NW PvP and get to voice opinions for the community.
The truth is, PvP communities, especially big guilds of hotshots, just aren't that nice people. They're nice as individuals in personal life, but when it involves PvP, and when they start forming groups... it just gets ugly... and really, really ugly.
IMO best let sleeping dogs lie where they are.
I do agree with what you're saying. On the other hand, letting "sleeping dogs lie where they are" means nothing changes.
I have been playing this game since before mod1 (this account is my newest, I have three others), focusing mainly on pvp. That isn't to boost my cred, there are a ton of newer players who are probably better than I am am and know more lol. Just saying, I have been in a ton of guilds and have a pretty good feel for the pvp community. Most of the worst ones (in the ways you describe) that I know, don't play any more. That isn't to say there aren't a ton of others who are still here or new and are even worse. I just don't think the community (especially the vets) are quite the snake pit that they are perceived as. The very worst ones get the most notice. The best ones usually don't make as much noise. They quietly endure and adjust and win.
As far as the bad ones are concerned, the sleeping dogs as it were. There is a point in anything where it needs to reach a head or it just stays the same and festers and never gets any better. New mod, semi new cryptic staff, new things on the horizon for pvp. If there was ever a time for the pvp world to go through a drag down and knock out apocalypse, so it can start again fresh, it is now.
I wouldn't say that if I wasn't sure there are some really strong, positive and constructive elements of the pvp community. The new push for transparency is more important than what I think most people realize. Any paradigm shift towards a more constructive community/group phase is always, historically, preceded by a major improvement in the dissemination of information. Not to get all sociological, but that is the truth.
In any case, I am one who would always see things just blow up and either get better or die off. The worst case if things come to a head is that they don't change and just die off. The best case if things come to a head is that things change for the better. The worst case if things do not come to a head is they don't change and just die off. The best case if they do not come to a head is that things don't change and just die off. You see what I am saying?
We have dozens of 20+ page topics of people whining and *****ing about single mechanics of single classes.
And you think an "advocate" is going to do anything more than reiterate the 19+ pages of *****ing instead of conveying the handful of sensible posts?
Sure, let's have advocates. **** up PvP even more.
Go Cryptic!
PS - I quit.
Your just a ray of ****ing sunshine, aren't you?
Assuming the worst outcome is the safest path to getting nothing done.
Not all advocates are self-serving. Some actually want to advocate for the community and try to improve things for all. How about pushing for some new maps? What kind of contests would you like to see? Not to mention things that are obviously in distress now... Rather than making the devs pour through multiple, disjointed threads, I think a person who can collect and collate this data may be very helpful.
What does history teach? Choosing the status quo--the easy path--gets very little to nothing done.
I say--Time to wake up the dog.