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djmajikmyke
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Would someone please fix the Leaver Penalty. I would rather let peeps leave and fight without them than be penalized for disconnects due to either my internet or your server. And it is well known that peeps can kick you anyway and then u get the penalty as well. This is BROKEN all the way around....please remove it.
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Second time today this has happened....disconnect=penalty. The penalty is NOT needed anyway...please explain why it is. Leaders can kick at will...dc's penalize you...I and most others would rather fight with 4v5 or 3v5 even. Those that leave are not usually needed anyway. Peeps camp out at fire instead of leaving...please tell me how this helps anyone.
sorry but the game can't tell the difference between a legit internet problem, and you pulling the plug on your modem, which people would do to avoid the leaver penalty.
sadly also the leaver penalty is needed in pve too, at least epic dungeons. way too many people joining then leaving. PLAY the f'ing game instead of hopping around trying to find that "perfect group" (which these days unfortunately means AP DC and/or bug HR...)
Obviously, u have NO idea what ur talking about. Leaders can kick a player ANYTIME they get ready. They just have to know how.
Do you really belive, that it is the players fault, that he disconnects? How comes, that most of the times I have serious lags, server not resonding or disconnect, most of my friends have the same problem? We dont share a internet connection, not a provider, some of us live in different countries, but it is OUR problem, if we disconnect?
If you are bored, count the 'server down?'-threads.
Put the blame where it belongs. It is just frustrating, to have a good fight, disconnect, reenter PvP, spawn in another instance and surprise, kick and penalty.
Before the 'fix' you reentered in your own instance, so you could keep on fighting. Now you reenter in a random instance and you will get kicked. For example, if you disconnect in ELOL, you will either respawn next to another group or alone. In PvE you can reenter and join your gruop. In PvP you get a penalty. That is just stupid. It hurts you and your team. BEFORE Mod 6 you reentered your previous instance and you kept on fighting. Thats Cryptics fault, IMO.
BTW, I think, that the penalty is good, but they should not penalize ppl for a problematic connection. By chance my providers server are a few km km away, so I did not have this issues with other MMORPGs, I dont have this issue with TS or other connections, just with this game. Same goes for many ppl I know. I can connect whenever the servers are up and reconnect in seconds. The problem is, that I will still get kicked from my PvP team.
before the penalty players would join a pvp group, play for 1 minute to see if their group was going to "win", then leave if it didn't look like it was a sure lock. now if they do that, they can't join again for 30 minutes.
agreed, the servers are having severe lag and disco problems right now, that's something pw has to fix. it doesn't change how annoying and griefing players joining and leaving groups every 2 seconds.
people (like me) pointed out it would hurt players who had a legit internet problem, but oh well. it is what it is.
they already eliminated glory for 0 score and very short matches, that got rid of most of the bots.
if people want to afk at the campfire (pressing buttons every 2 minutes so they don't get kicked) that's player's choice, not much devs can do about that.
make something idiot proof, people invent better idiots.
If you get disconnects all the time, then play open world pvp.
I dont get disconnected all the time. Happened twice in Mod 6. I want them to keep the penalty. I would like them to implement a surrender option and a kick, if ppl stay in base for more than 2 minutes.
What I dont like and ppl seem to not know/ remember is this: In Mod 5, after a disconnect, you could reenter the match. Now it is gone, bye and penalty, bc they dont put you in your instance.
For example: 10 PvP matches at the same time. You are on layer 4 of 10. Mod 5, you disconnect, you relog, you reenter layer 4. Mod 6, you disconnect, you relog, you reenter layer 7, you get kicked, you get the penalty. Thats no improvement. Thats a step back.
If you dont belive me, try it in PvE. Enter a dungeon, disconnect, relog and you will be in another layer with other players. You get kicked from the layer, but not from your party and you can reenter the correct layer and rejoin the fight.
I wasn't talking about pve. In pve there are entire instances getting closed for unknown reasons, that's a bit worse, even if it's happening less often than two weeks ago. I haven't seen people sent to different pve instances after relogging. But ok let's say it's happening. It's unfortunate. But the game is in such a poor state right now that there are at least 20-25 critical issues that should be dealt with before even thinking about prioritizing this one. And it won't be fixed before some time. That's why I was talking about IWD pvp. There's IWD pvp gear too, not exactly the same, but that's still decent gear. It's the only short term solution to OP's issue.
I plainly cannot see why somebody reconnecting within a certain time window - say 3-5 minutes - can't be readmitted to a match or run, and thus avoid the quitter penalty. Another point where apparently the "tough love" approach and denial of reality meet the failings of nature, and cause frustration among players beset by these. Just maintain it's the players fault...
Or most any PVP community in any MMO. To many, the idea of a fair and balanced fight is "Whatever makes me win...."
And if there's even a WHIFF that they're going to lose, well then.....a certain George Carlin skit comes to mind but how to properly put it in words evades me....
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Edit to add info.... it should be shorter than 2 minutes as it does not take that long to get back to the fight when killed... more like 45 seconds max of no damage means they are camping. Those should also be rejected to log back into the game for the penalty period. That would most certainly make people start playing properly and not be wieners roasting on the fire eating popcorn watching everyone else fight.
Even if someone claims, that the autokick from the instance is intended in PvP, what should be the reasoning in PvE?
IMO it is a bug. They used to reconnect you to your layer, when you are in a group, now they dont. My guess is, that they made the Mod 6 build based on an older version and forgot to implement this feat, same way as the rewards from prefarmed lvl 60 HE. They gave lvl 70 rewards on preview, they fixed it on preview and the live version gave lvl 70 rewards. The fix had vanished.
Why do you think so?
Who otherwise would 2.5k ilvl wallet warriors with r12 enchants farm when all these fresh 70s could simply leave the game instead of taking it up the rear for 10 minutes without even having the hope of getting any opponent to 80% hp?
If this kind of behaviour spreads to all times it's really annoying and will make gauntlgryms either a crushing devasting win or lose with no fun and thrill involved in most matches.
I think this is an issue and I'd prefer to have the leaver's penatly during Gaungtlgryms pvp to prevent it from happening as much as possible.
Its a loss-loss situation here.
GGs and domis are often so one sided, that losing side players often do not even get any rewards for participating.
Would you want to be in a game where all you can do it getting farmed and stomped constantly?
Neverwinter matchmaking if beyond terrible.
Balance is absolutely worst out of all mmos I've seen.
Losing games is unrewarding(low or no rewards when you're getting stomped, still a long game) and punishing(penalty for not wanting to be glory piniata for wallet warriors).
The pvp is beyond saving in this game if they won't put some people dedicated to it and we all know fully well they won't, because despite pvp players being one of the top spenders in zen shop, apparently devs think they can still drop a big, steaming one on that part of community.
It's rare to get afks before 3-4 minutes, when the loss is certain. Before the leaver penalty, pvp would last 30s, so all in all that's an improvement.
And can people stop blaming others connections, if you havnt had dc issues or major lag spikes then you are not the norm, and when your whole party experiences a lag spike or dc it sort of throws out the idea of it being that one persons issue.
And i agree with the fact that people are now being pretty harsh about whos in a team and who isnt. Lately its a case of, form your own team with people you know, or risk being pushed from a group because you're not what they need or want.