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overdriver13
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The title to this thread was "DOM TR'S BACKCAP FFS"....some troll changed it.
I lose from being severely outgeared or from a TR that refuses to back cap. And it is usually the fail to back cap. Other than that, I win. I get there are different styles of play and finesse and so on, but sorry, no class has the potential ability to back cap like a TR. Just do it.
I am maining a GF right now. Between myself floating mid and home and whatever other assorted knuckleheads are in the pug, those two nodes stay blue through most of the match provided a TR is back capping. Yes, I can go back cap but as soon as I start capping, between mid and home, one is red and the other is either contested or filling red. Kill whoever comes, finish the back cap and fly to 2 or home and the back cap and other node I am not on go red. This kills me. Contesting 2 against most of the other team- literally 4v1 and whatever assorted fodder from blue team runs down and dies right away, and still maintaining a 50/50 k/d and keeping mid contested through the match...ffs...the win is in which team is back capping.
It is easily as frustrating as being on TR and keeping the back cap contested or blue through the entire match, and 2 and home are also either red or contested despite forcing 1v3 most of the match.
I don't get what is **** hard about the concept of winning a domination match. STAND ON THE *&^&% NODES AND MAKE THEM BLUE or at least contest them. Keep running to that node and dying. Die on node. There you win.
EDIT: The title to this thread was "TR's, PLEASE BACK CAP FFS"...its has been edited to a meaning opposite its intention. Trolls everywhere.
Yesterday as I was nicely telling a TR to back cap from the start of the match to the end and he just wouldn't do it so they could keep 4 on mid and their tr on our home node, and I had to die a lot to keep mid contested vs the four of them (killing as much as dying). Same deal, back cap myself, here comes the 4 of them while their tr snipes my idiot team off one by one off node....I tell the TR that is why we are losing, he refuses to back cap. He says the match was lost from the start and how unfair pvp is and how terrible it is that they force us to do pvp. I finally told him to shut his filthy face hole and at least make an effort to win.
I just don't get it. Just back cap TR's, it is that simple.
/end rant.
I lose from being severely outgeared or from a TR that refuses to back cap. And it is usually the fail to back cap. Other than that, I win. I get there are different styles of play and finesse and so on, but sorry, no class has the potential ability to back cap like a TR. Just do it.
I am maining a GF right now. Between myself floating mid and home and whatever other assorted knuckleheads are in the pug, those two nodes stay blue through most of the match provided a TR is back capping. Yes, I can go back cap but as soon as I start capping, between mid and home, one is red and the other is either contested or filling red. Kill whoever comes, finish the back cap and fly to 2 or home and the back cap and other node I am not on go red. This kills me. Contesting 2 against most of the other team- literally 4v1 and whatever assorted fodder from blue team runs down and dies right away, and still maintaining a 50/50 k/d and keeping mid contested through the match...ffs...the win is in which team is back capping.
It is easily as frustrating as being on TR and keeping the back cap contested or blue through the entire match, and 2 and home are also either red or contested despite forcing 1v3 most of the match.
I don't get what is **** hard about the concept of winning a domination match. STAND ON THE *&^&% NODES AND MAKE THEM BLUE or at least contest them. Keep running to that node and dying. Die on node. There you win.
EDIT: The title to this thread was "TR's, PLEASE BACK CAP FFS"...its has been edited to a meaning opposite its intention. Trolls everywhere.
Yesterday as I was nicely telling a TR to back cap from the start of the match to the end and he just wouldn't do it so they could keep 4 on mid and their tr on our home node, and I had to die a lot to keep mid contested vs the four of them (killing as much as dying). Same deal, back cap myself, here comes the 4 of them while their tr snipes my idiot team off one by one off node....I tell the TR that is why we are losing, he refuses to back cap. He says the match was lost from the start and how unfair pvp is and how terrible it is that they force us to do pvp. I finally told him to shut his filthy face hole and at least make an effort to win.
I just don't get it. Just back cap TR's, it is that simple.
/end rant.
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The buffs received from mod5 have attracted a lot of TR wannabes that don't have the slightest clue on how a TR should be managed in Domination PvP, The end result: a game full of one-shot morons running around in random directions so they can "ambush" other players and score kills like a pro.
Some say that it's their "new style of TR play". Hardy har har. :rolleyes:
"Deathmatching TR's who only chase for kills and fight off-node should be put under a guillotine"
One of the many Control Wizards that misses Shard Of The Endless Avalanche. RIP Shard (Beta-Mod3)
Lol take it easy. Why you think that TR will do u favor and sacrifice himself? Every other weakling from ur party does not go on enemy and sacrifice himself so he doesn't as well. People who don't play pvp often usually run together so i don't understand ur hating and outburst on TR. Lol you have to understand that every weakling as them are not going to be explained of anything. No matter what class they are playing they will do stupid things despite you tell them to do the right thing, yell at them or insult them it will not help. I was often seeing op hr mod 4 walking around and stealing kills not doing anything for team 40 kills 0 death running coward on columns and never on points and of course we lost. It is up from people if they will do right thing or not. TR new players are not super heroes who will go on death, they need time to learn how to play and not die because it is not easy to play TR class. Everything comes with time, but like i said with some individuals there is no way to explain their role.
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I only expect my team to put out the same effort as I do. That is you know your position and responsibility and you keep doing that no matter how many times you die. If I can hold mid for 3 MINUTES alone on my gf vs four of the other team, I really expect my team mates to have those other nodes capped at a 4v1 advantage. This is when you need the tr who knows whats up. If I have four on mid and their tr has three from my team on home, the blue tr needs to be back capping or its a lost game. By default.
I do kindly explain things through the match till its either lost or won, then its "gg!" or "ffs l2p!!".
Just saying.
Also, as a TR, this is when I give up.
Given that the "Visibility in Stealth" thing isn't exactly working right now, it's entirely plausible to keep people on a point trying to find and kill you.
As a TR, when I have 4 people chasing me around mid and the other 4 on my team are on the home point chasing a single TR, I give up and go afk in spawn. People that stupid don't deserve to win.
Go Cryptic!
PS - I quit.
In one of my last matches Red did not even cap their home node, they all ran straight to mid and started to get crushed. I grabbed home and then I ran around and grabbed theirs. Their respawning players did not even bother trying to cap it from me. They capped our home. So I spent the entire match, well 80% of it, capping our home or their home node. The most I would get to challenge me was a CW, but after I capped their home, and did not have to recap our's, I would go mid... drop smoke and blitz. So I did not stick around in one place for very long.
We ended up winning 1000 to 150. Yes we all died in the middle and they may have had more kills, but we won.
In another match we were trailing them for the entire match, by 25 to 50 points. We stopped them at 953 and ended up winning. How did we do that? They were defending their home instead of trying to backcap our's or fight for mid. I capped ours and then 2 of us capped mid while they were fighting over something that would not get them more points.
There are a few ways to play this... but without capping and recapping... you will lose.
I absolutely love how winning or losing is all in the TRs hands. why do you other people q at all if you are so insignificant and irrelevant to the match outcome?
Also could you give some praise when the tr wins you the match, you sure like to whine and point fingers at him, when he loses you the match, but never any: " /t awesome! Thx for winning us the game godlike TR!"
Exactly that! All you can see is delusion all around on forum . All trying to destroy TR class and always looking for chance to hate on this class. It's no wonder people who see it all around are not willing to sacrifice for those not thankful people. It's really hard to read forum with those armies of delusional cw who have op class both pve/pvp and still trying to be completely op and kill easy every single class. Now they destroy dc with closed eyes and other classes but not each class. But they always want more and more lol.
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So much more to it than gear. If both teams are playing domination, the better geared team wins. But usually people show up in all kinds of horrible and great gear not knowing what game they are playing. Countless matches of overgeared pve players not having a clue getting spanked by an undergeared hard boiled pvp pug capping and kiting.
You don't do what your class is best at in dom pvp and you lose. I am not saying this because TR is so good. I am saying this because it seems like most people who play TR anymore are just too **** stupid to know their role in dom pvp and choose to just do whatever they want rather than do what it takes to win.
Mod5 allowed certain TR specs to be op, and in mod 6 we are paying the price in pvp because every nub in neverwinter rolled a MI exe and qued pvp to snipe people from stealth without having to fight or ever face serious challenge on the back cap.
Play to win, learn to play.
Just get on that back cap and shut the face hole. Do your job or don't que.
Peace and love and sunshine
Who knows. I posted a thread called, "DOM TR'S PLEASE BACK CAP" and came back later and it said "don't" back cap. I'm not saying anyone did anything, just that this wasn't the original thread title.
Ya it is a delusional attempt to destroy a class by saying TRs should back cap. I hear they are renaming the Thieves Den as the "Martyrs Enclave" and awarding every self-pitying rogue a new artifact called "The Bleeding Heart", because the persecution complex there from salty mod5 TR's is simply legendary. "They gave us invisibility and godlike cc immunity-cc break in the form of itc, they gave us the ability to one shot any class in the game and people expect us to back cap in pvp and get mad when we just snipe like little *****es and never engage in a node contesting fight or risk our asses for a team win"......uh huhhhhh
Exactly.
You don't get to try out trick plays and odd-ball tactics before you learn the basics of offense and defense in a ball game. Same with boxing. Before anything else, you first learn 'the left'. After you master this, then you go to advanced maneuvers and tactics, get to fight with the flow and be flexible. But there's a fine line of difference between being flexible in adaptation, and just being devoid of the basics and doing whatever you can think of.
In NW Domination terms, TRs first learn to back-cap. They first learn why back-cap is crucial to winning in the first place, and afterwards, when it learns to judge on which circumstances he may leave the node to assist elsewhere.
Just ignoring this and doing whatever one wants is the same as outfielders crawling forward because they think its boring to wait out far away from the infield. You gonna go complaining to the coach that it sucks to be stuck and defined a role as a centerfielder, and its unfair to be standing around at the outfield and hardly get any action than infielders? If you think that way, you shouldn't be playing baseball.
If a TR thinks that way, he shouldn't be playing a TR.
You are just so wrong. Any person has the right to play any character any way they wish. It's a game. Have fun with it.
And remember to thank your TR when you win. More positive, less negative
Can't tell you how many times i have back capped my *** off and morons just run around chasing and dying. All you can do is suggest and hope they see the light.
It goes both ways.
I totally agree with this and I think a discussion of class-roles in pvp would be fun and instructive. I do not see many situations where the TR is not ideal for back capping. It isn't all on the TR. The class just has one of the most clearly defined roles in pvp. Especially on the rivenscar map...the combination of speed and stealth make the TR the most plausible class to bypass mid and just go back cap.
The bottom line is no matter what class you play, it sucks when the only blue/contested node is the one you are on/have just cleared.
On a side note...the most fun match I had tonight was super super close. We had 2 gfs, a healadin, an hr and a cw. The other team had two dc healers, a cw, and two trs. One of the red healers and one of their trs was really really good. It was a close match but because me and the other gf worked in perfect sync without saying a word, rotating the back cap, we won. I am coming around to the idea of a GF back capper, provided there is another GF on the team who will take main responsibility for mid and float to blue home node when needed. It really only works well on the hotenow map though.
But you do know that when we TR backcap, we get less points.
Then when the team "gives up" and leaves us the only ones fighting vs 5 enemies, its messed up!
So as a TR it is better for me to get my minimum 400 points to get pvp credit instead of try to backcap for a team that is just going to quit and camp save anyhow.
I say when I enter PvP, if I was playing a TR, my default move was to skip ahead and backcap. If a bunch of red people are manning the flag, I might get a good challenge (or I'm screwed) If there's a poor Bambi all alone, he's screwed. If I do my job nicely and the rest of the team happens screw themselves with a poking stick, then I totally get what monger is saying here!
Will have more fun losing a head-to-head match where each players contributes, with no OP stuff involved.
...and you've just gone from critical to plain pathetic.
You used to be a one of the few GWF players that actually were reasonable enough to talk to and make conversation. Now, just because your favorite has been neglected for a couple of mods, just like that, you go join the ranks of knee-jerk TR lynch-mob with their pitchforks and noose, blaming their own misfortunes on other classes and its players. As if us, and our own favorite class, is the reason behind your own favorite is being bum-puckered by the devs. By that frickin' same logic you should have quit playing your own pathetically OP, easy-mode, faceroll of a FOTM class during mod2 days. Except you never did.
Such a shame.